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Karamba
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 24 Mar 2011 : 01:54:55
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Originally posted by Janyanfara
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Originally posted by turk
Corruption is not Jammeh problem. It is the problem of Gambian society. If Jammeh is gone today, nothing will change.
Just listen to him? So when it is problem of Gambian society, it is ok for Jammeh to be part of it right?Then why did he have to take up arms to overthrow Jawara on something that is Gambian society problem?
Yaya Jammeh has no bit of shame in him. He vomits and licks it next moment. The bandit was just hungry and angry.
No pride in corruption, be that it may.
Janko, good point and divorcing nice faces from good policies. On the day that becomes clear, no brutal dictator or cunning exploiter will trade on the public. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 24 Mar 2011 : 10:49:01
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"WHO THE CAP FITS LET THEM WEAR IT" SAY IT LOUD AND CLEAR
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Originally posted by Karamba
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Janko, good point and divorcing nice faces from good policies. On the day that becomes clear, no brutal dictator or cunning exploiter will trade on the public.
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 26 Mar 2011 : 20:02:24
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They sell us ideas
The same way
They sell us our health and our meals
They sell us everything from tribe to dictatorship
Same time they sell us corruption
There is a shadow on their faces
Of the men mongering vacuums
Our feature is on the balance
Where their business interest lies
Who cares
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jul 2011 : 23:24:39
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| It is getting late for the alternative budget proposal |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jul 2011 : 00:19:54
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Janko, tribalism is one spicy dish in the kitchen of president Jammeh He dines and wines from it. Reading recently from one of the websites, a list of some senior public servants revealed more Jolas at higher position than the combined work force of all other ethnics in Gambia. That is called patriotism in the new national order.
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 08 Aug 2011 : 02:58:21
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Karamba,
The anti-tribal-tribalism rhetoric flourishing as of recent, is disarming.
Hence, instead of rallying around an all including political agenda, it choices to blame the majority tribe.
The danger is not only separation but also encouraging other tribes to give up the right of making their voices heard, One Gambia One Voice.
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turk
USA
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Posted - 08 Aug 2011 : 03:39:56
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encouraging other tribes to give up the right of making their voices heard
Janko
It sounded like other tribes should make 'their' voices heard. I hope you are not referring 'their tribal voice'. Isn't it 'Their' what is all about tribalism? Are you referring 'their' as unit? If 'their voice' is their tribal voice, that is exactly what tribalism is. I mean you are not saying 'the right of mandinka voice', 'Serere voice', right? It sounded like that. 'Their voice as tribal unit' does not fit your 'One Gambian voice' which refers as national unit.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 08 Aug 2011 : 08:52:30
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turk,
One Gambia One Voice, implies that, it is most important rallying around a political agenda.
(You see the dangers of "anti-tribal-tribalism" are many and mostly hidden, unintended and even involuntary,if you like)
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 08 Aug 2011 : 13:48:33
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 05 Oct 2011 : 21:31:46
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Mr. Politician
where are you and where have you been all along |
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 12 Nov 2011 : 00:56:28
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Countrymen, let us foster gambianity to get away from the
elitist separationist propaganda, “tribalism”.
Nothing is more saddening than to see goodhearted,
intelligent, well-meaning countrymen fall pray for
this monster, whose underlying principle is grounded
on the logic of rejection strengthened by arguments of resistance.
The only hope out of this dilemma is to understand the true
meaning of this slogan, "tribalism". Countrymen, from that
knowledge we shall cultivate the spirit of oneness rooted
in the logic of a gambianity based on equal rights and equal responsibility.
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 13 Nov 2011 : 19:18:58
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I know, some may feel that I am possessed with this tribal
mumbo jumbo that has no meaning elsewhere except in the selfish mind.
But when you take your time to look at what is at stake
because of some self-fulfilling corrupted mind(s),
you might have a glimpse at my worry.
These minds that cannot even comprehend, speak or understand
their own languages or interpret their so called
knowledge into something profitable, put their selfish
personal gains on the path of a greater good for our dare country.
They very well know that the issue is bigger than tribe,
which is to lift up our dare country from the remnants.
You know what I mean.
What Gambia needs is amongst other things
self-sufficiency in everything, food, education and knowledge
if she is to measure in time.
There is no time to kill on a concept that only has space
in narrow and self-centered brains.
Come ’on, you know what am saying. |
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Edited by - Janko on 14 Nov 2011 19:46:33 |
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 14 Nov 2011 : 19:41:47
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From: saineyf@hotmail.com
To: dialog@thegambiapostforum.com
Subject: [>-<] Pan-African Perspectives / Tribalism & Tribal Atavism !!!
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Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 10:38:06 -0600
Tribalism In Africa ...............A brief Overview !!!!!
This piece is an overview of Dr. Kwame Nkrumah's thoughts on tribal
politics and conflicts in his book "Class Struggle In Africa" ; published
in 1970.This book was dedicated to the peasants and workers of Africa. His
observations are still useful.
He are a few observations he made in several chapters on tribes and
tribalism .
"A distinction must be made between tribes and tribalism.The clan is the
extended family, and the tribe is the extended clan with the same ethnic
language within the territory.There were tribes in Africa before
imperialist penetration, but no "tribalism" in the modern sense.Tribalism
rose from colonialism, which exploited feudal and tribal survivals to
combat the growth of national liberation movements."
He further notes that " The tribal formula is frequently used to obscure
the class forces created in African society by colonialism.In many areas,
uneven economic development under colonial rule led to a differentiation
of economic functions along ethnic lines.This tendency is exploited in the
interest of international capitalism."
"In the era of neo-colonialism, tribalism is exploited by the bourgeois
ruling classes as an instrument of power politics, and as a useful outlet
for the discontent of the masses. Many of the so-called tribal conflicts
in modern Africa are in reality class forces brought into conflict by the
transition from colonialism to neo-colonialism.
Tribalism is the result, not the cause, of underdevelopment."
In summation he notes "The emergence of tribes in any country is natural,
or due to historical development. Tribes like nationalities may always
remain in a country, but it is tribalism – tribal politics – that should
be fought and destroyed."
Sainey Faye
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 20 Nov 2011 : 23:32:31
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The only distinction is rural and urban forms of living not tribe
Those living in urban areas/cities regardless of tribe,
race, ethnicity or class identify more with each other.
Understand each other batter and have more in common.
A New Yorker, Banjulian, Dakarwa or Parisian has more
in common than they have with their respective
none- city-dwelling countrymen.
Once you taste urban/city life you forgo tribal
identity both physically and mentally, in other words you
transcend the provinciality of tribe. Someone living in
Banjul would prefer to be called Banjulian than Wolof, or
Fula, or Jola. And amongst other Wolofs, Fulbes or Jolas
from the rural areas would present themselves as Wolof, or Fula,
or Jola from Banjul. (Ex. Banjul -Mandingka-Society)
To discourse tribe as a homogeneous entity, Mandingkas,
Fulbes, Serrahullés, as isolated from each other is
not only puritanical but is to also confuse urban and rural
forms of living with tribe. Therefore taking it for granted
that urban life does not have any effect on people.
That Wolofs, or Mandingkas born and brought up in Banjul
cannot change because of an inherent tribal attribute,
as if tribe is a genetic predisposition and not socially nurtured.
Tribalism, as many have already pointed out is a political
tool used by the elites and power hungry.
I repeat any leader that uses tribalism overtly or covertly
to gain any position is corrupt and dishonest not only to
himself but to the good course and the idea of “good life”
therefore s/he is doomed to failure. Hence the assumption
of tribal divide exists only in a corrupt and an immature mindset.
To distinguish Gambians by tribe in this day and time
is not only ignorant and dishonest but selfish and disillusioned.
In the Gambia of today there is no pure tribe.
We are more interconnected than some selfish narrow minds would like us to belief.
Gambia is populated by one big extended family.
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Edited by - Janko on 20 Nov 2011 23:33:21 |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 21 Nov 2011 : 01:25:26
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quote:
Originally posted by Janko
Tribalism, as many have already pointed out is a political
tool used by the elites and power hungry.
I repeat any leader that uses tribalism overtly or covertly
to gain any position is corrupt and dishonest not only to
himself but to the good course and the idea of “good life”
therefore s/he is doomed to failure. Hence the assumption
of tribal divide exists only in a corrupt and an immature mindset.
On remarks extracted above, do you felt that it is being exploited under present political situation in country and who to blame
Do you have any party leader and/or political party accountable on your charge sheet (if any) "For The Gambia Our Homeland!"; through its party militants, party policies, party programmes, party tactics, or whatever warrants your obsession with this topic |
Edited by - kobo on 21 Nov 2011 01:26:11 |
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