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Santanfara
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 Posted - 29 Oct 2009 : 11:29:11
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Tamseir define himself as a Serere who is looking to find his origin/anciestry line. It is from that angle you start to promote one belief system the old pagan belief as against Islam.
So your heritage which you are oblivious of is very important in all your rant against Islam and Muslims.
Please, if you may what do you hope to achieve by ranting against Islam?
no one advocate for something without a purpose, unless you are bored old man who has nothing to live for. Your main purpose of slandering Muslims and Islam is to discourage them from practising their faith. but shockingly, you have found that, it will never work.
You go online read every negavtive lies, cut them, paste them here and wait for Muslims reaction. That is a docile and futile way to provock.
You can distinquist black from African all you like, i don't care. It is you who brought an overblown distorted video, using that as tool to insult African Muslims by elavating your errorneous knowledge on Islam than them.
You are not here fighting for any Black or African cause, all you are doing is slandering Islam, in reverse by promoting your perceive paganism. which i doubt very much.
For us to take you seriously, state your beliefs, the sources of those beliefs if any, or if you don't have any spirituality, then say so. This will make people like me, just smile over your religious buffonery.
You are completely incapable of staining Islam, other have tried who are far more well placed, more inflencial and trechery than you and are still using many means to do so. in fact, many orientalist who made such videos are now security and middle East experts. They are slowing turning the orrientalist descipline into a security field of study. Many Universities have even commence teaching 'peace and conflict resolution studies'. this is all an offshuits of orrientalism.
I have no issue with dembis, if he or she is your cousin, i have no idea about it. Your slandering of Islam is for a purpose and that cannot be hidden. I brought to you the views of Manson to show to you that negativism on others never work for long, because people find out for themselves and this has been the biggest singler reason for Islam to be researched and thus have new followers. For very one slansder you brought, there is a hundred counters to it. please go on and please yourself. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 29 Oct 2009 : 14:32:39
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I believe Tamsier is bitter about that fact that Islam displaced paganism in many parts of Africa. If I became muslim on the backs of recalcitrant and misguided ancestors who never wanted to accept the oneness of Allah, that is a very small price paid indeed. I am not gonna cry over the enslavement of a people who never wanted to be slaves of the creator. You can label slavery a heinious crime all you want, but refusing to acknowledge Allah as the Omnipotent and Omniscient is a greater crime.
Seriously Tamsier, I pray that you find guidance one day. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
557 Posts |
Posted - 29 Oct 2009 : 19:57:36
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Santanfara,
'Tamseir define himself as a Serere who is looking to find his origin/anciestry line.’
Yes! I’m Serere and yes I’ve already found my origin/ancestry line. What does this have to do with anything? Who is advocating tribalism now? What’s wrong with you? You don’t like Sereres?
‘It is from that angle you start to promote one belief system the old pagan belief as against Islam.’
What a ridiculous thing to say. Aren’t there any Sereres who are Muslims? Is that what you are trying to tell me? Even Mansasulu by his own admission on this site said he had Serere lineage. Are you saying he is not Muslim?
‘So your heritage which you are oblivious of is very important in all your rant against Islam and Muslims.’
Being oblivious of my heritage is one thing I have never been accused of. You make me laugh. Accuse me of anything but not that. Islam does not need me to rant against it. It is very good at doing that by itself.
‘Please, if you may what do you hope to achieve by ranting against Islam?’
Two things: [1] the eradication of this Arab cult from the land of my forefathers and or [2] the Muslim criminal organisations of Senegambia to speak the truth rather than concealing the history of Islam in our region.
‘no one advocate for something without a purpose, unless you are bored old man who has nothing to live for.’
As above also see my opening statement.
‘You go online read every negavtive lies, cut them, paste them here and wait for Muslims reaction.’
Unlike the wiki generation, I used all available sources. Any internet paper is followed up by a detailed research and knowledge. Stop stealing my line.
‘It is you who brought an overblown distorted video, using that as tool to insult African Muslims by elavating your errorneous knowledge on Islam than them.’
Islam my friend, islam! Come on keep up! Read my opening statement and overall context of my postings again and you will find who or what I am criticising. Besides, islam does not need me to do that, it is doing a very good job by itself. Of course you will say the video is overblown, because it gives you the opportunity to discredit it.
‘You are not here fighting for any Black or African cause, all you are doing is slandering Islam, in reverse by promoting your perceive paganism. which i doubt very much.’
Again, Islam is very good at doing that by itself and doesn’t need me to do that. I am however baffled by your statement ‘in reverse by promoting your perceived paganism. Which I doubt very much.’ Aren’t you contradicting yourself? I can’t ascertain what you are trying to say.
‘For us to take you seriously, state your beliefs, the sources of those beliefs if any, or if you don't have any spirituality, then say so.’
I have no shame in stating my Arican ‘pagan’ spiritual background when relevant to the issue under discussion. You already knew this because I have stated it to you couple of times before. This is rooted in African spirituality and way of life rather than following foreign religions. Also, our names are rooted in Africa with meaning, we do not have to take Arab names. Our ceremonies are African in origin not Arabs. We do not use foreign languages when praying to our Supreme God/Gods. We use our own language rather than the language of foreigners. We believe in nature the oneness of all animals, plants, humans that they come from the same root, which is now proven by science rather than the false myths that humans are above every other thing or the world is 6 thousand years old etc.
‘Many Universities have even commence teaching 'peace and conflict resolution studies'. this is all an offshuits of orrientalism.’
Isn’t John doing the same thing – i.e. trying to bring peace and understanding between Christians and Muslims, but that didn’t stop the likes of you accusing him of all sorts. You can’t have your cake and eat it – metaphorically speaking.
Mansasulu,
‘If I became muslim on the backs of recalcitrant and misguided ancestors who never wanted to accept the oneness of Allah, that is a very small price paid indeed. I am not gonna cry over the enslavement of a people who never wanted to be slaves of the creator. You can label slavery a heinious crime all you want, but refusing to acknowledge Allah as the Omnipotent and Omniscient is a greater crime.’
Pathetic ! Have a look at what you have just written about your ancestors, look inside yourself and determine whether this is decent. I wish you luck. Does islam also advocate insulting your own ancestors? How wonderful!
This is just one of many examples why Islam is dangerous. Mansasulu have just proven it right here. He have done the samething before - many months ago. As usual, I doubt any so called muslim scholar on this site would castigate him for such remarks. No! Of course not. As long as it is in the name of Islam, you can insult your parents and ancestors if they do not belong to the faith. |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
Edited by - tamsier on 29 Oct 2009 20:04:36 |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 29 Oct 2009 : 20:27:26
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I have no relations whatsoever to anyone who denies the existence of Allah. Alhamdullillah Allah has made me and kept me a muslim and that I am grateful for. May Allah have mercy on my true brothers and sisters who braved the desert heat, scorching, and sweltering sun to make sure Islam got to the likes of me. Too bad for you, it was at the price of paganism.
Dude if you refuse to be a slave to the creator, you will be enslaved by your fellow creatures and that is the lowest position for a human being. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 29 Oct 2009 : 21:56:04
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Tamseir, You cannot put me on the defensive on the Serere side of the story. All your misguided anger stem from that. If you wish to take us Muslims back to worshiping rocks and trees, well, to hell with that mate. I am not available to do any such thing.
You are trying to run away from the rudeness you constantly show yourselve to be against Muslims.
Islam is free from your bula huva just like your are trying to divorce the Serere aspect from the discussion.
This is whati always state to you, see things in the correct context, but what do you do? consistently lying about Islam, bring here fabricated materials manufactured by crazy antagonist.
A guy on the freedomnews paper wasted the papers pages with inconsistent and out of place history of African mystery system. The fixation with such issues is time wasting and futile.
if you wish to propagate pagan culture and life style, please document it, date them, explain why you want to that and then put it in publci domain. Your negativism will never work, it is a sign desperation. People will feel sorry for you, which may not be necessary.
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Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
557 Posts |
Posted - 29 Oct 2009 : 22:21:50
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Santanfara,
You speak in poetic language. I too like poetic language but there is a point when one realises that, poetic language is just that, poetic language and not facts based on evidence or rational discussion.
As for Mansasulu, I actually doubt whether he has Serere ancestory. He does not possess the noble qualities to call himself a Serere. Even the Serere Muslims or Serere Christians I know would never utter the words he had. Pathetic. |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 30 Oct 2009 : 02:01:41
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Dude I am rather proud of the qualities available in Islam than those available in Sererism. If sererism had superior qualities that Islam we won't be having this discussion. You can doubt all you want but my ancestors are serer. They came sine and settled in Gambia. They were smart and fortunate enough all by the grace of Allah to embrace Islam and pass it along. They were not fixated with making sure I become serer instead their goal was for me to become Muslim.
I hate to be the bearer of this bad news to you but sererism as a culture and language is a dying phenomenon in the Gambia. Just last night I was having a conversation with my mother in law who is serer and I ask her if she spoke serer and she said no. If you are truely interested in peddling you paganism ideology, write a book or better still make a documentary and and see how many copies you can sell. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 30 Oct 2009 : 11:10:41
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quote:
Originally posted by mansasulu
I have no relations whatsoever to anyone who denies the existence of Allah. Alhamdullillah Allah has made me and kept me a muslim and that I am grateful for. May Allah have mercy on my true brothers and sisters who braved the desert heat, scorching, and sweltering sun to make sure Islam got to the likes of me. Too bad for you, it was at the price of paganism.
Dude if you refuse to be a slave to the creator, you will be enslaved by your fellow creatures and that is the lowest position for a human being.
Islam, like Christianity, did not come to Africa through any love for Africans. It came to and spread in Africa through economic exploitation (trade) and conquest (blood).
Most of us who profess these religions did not do so out of any personal conscious choice based on comaparative understanding of religions in general, but rather out of inheritance and cultural indoctrination and socialization.
Paganism-the progeny of all these religions- is as problematic as Islam or Christianity (and other religions). Any systematic belief system that is not founded on verifiable and testable facts is inherently problematic. All religious proclamations are largely hugely inflated opinions... |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 30 Oct 2009 : 16:37:39
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quote:
Originally posted by kayjatta
Islam, like Christianity, did not come to Africa through any love for Africans. It came to and spread in Africa through economic exploitation (trade) and conquest (blood).
Most of us who profess these religions did not do so out of any personal conscious choice based on comaparative understanding of religions in general, but rather out of inheritance and cultural indoctrination and socialization.
Paganism-the progeny of all these religions- is as problematic as Islam or Christianity (and other religions). Any systematic belief system that is not founded on verifiable and testable facts is inherently problematic. All religious proclamations are largely hugely inflated opinions...
Which denomination do you belong or favour Are you christian, muslim, atheist, pagan, scientology, satanic, buddist, etc |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
557 Posts |
Posted - 30 Oct 2009 : 20:00:57
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Mansasulu,
If you are a Serere, then I am Sunjata Keita. You are the first 'Serere' I know of[and believe me I know so many]who have no idea about his own history or origin. This is not to say that, I espect you to know everything, but at least have an idea about your heritage. Even my Serere Muslim and Christian friends know about their heritage and not basic stuff like their family came from Sine. Lets face it Mansasulu, by your own admission in another topic many months ago, you know nothing about your heritage apart from something to the effect of your family settled in the Mandinka areas and you adopted Mandinka culture. Come to think of it, I actually believe that you are a reject by both the Sereres and the Mandinkas and you hold on to Islam with all your vigour. I bet if you go to the Arab countries they will probably refer to you as Samar [n****r][I blanked out some of the letters of this word for sense of decency] or perhaps Kaolose [blackie]. What would become of you then Mr Mansasulu? Oh! I know. You will be hopping around from one thing to the next as usual. Disgraceful! Absolutely disgraceful. By the way, these are the words used by arab muslims against 'black' muslims - your so called muslim brothers. I didn't make them up. An English friend of mine once told me to his horror, he was once told by an arab friend of his that, 'the arabs took islam to the Africans because without it they had no hope'. Come to thing of it, he was probably right - just look at the way you turned out. Arabs do not respect people who suck up to them. Treat them like the dogs they are and they will give you respect. That is one advise from me to you.
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Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 30 Oct 2009 : 20:32:58
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I care less about Mandinka culture none more so than the Serer culture my family was born into. You dont get it do you? Culture and heritage like you are decribing means nothing to me, zilch, zip, nada. ISLAM IS MY CULTURE. Heck I even pride my belief in Islam more than my nationality. If I were giving an option of saving you (a pagan) or a muslim brother from as far as Vanuatu or the most remote place on earth from a sinking ship, I will pick them over you. Not only that, and in the words of James Carville I will "throw the son of a **** [S-O-B]an anvil" to drown while bringing a fellow muslim to safety. This is so because Islam has changed my heart in such a manner that I see fellow muslims as brothers and sisters. This is a concept you cannot comprehend because you have not tasted the sweetness of Iman.
I dont have any Arab friends and I dont need any. I dont have to go to Arab countries and I dont want to. That is not where islam is. To your chagrin, islam is everywhere around you. Frankly, I dont give a damn if anyone calls me ****** Samar, or whatever so long as they dont call me a pagan or an athiest. Rather, I will go bananas if someone were to call me an athiest or a pagan. Your friend is absolutely right on Islam. You see the Arabs brought islam to the African not only because without it Africans had not hope. It was because if they didn't they themselves will have no hope. So in other words they did themselves a favor because they have now absolved themselves of any obligation why you turned out to be a pagan.
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"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
557 Posts |
Posted - 31 Oct 2009 : 04:15:15
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| Hit a nerve haven't I? Pathetic, you have to result to calling me a S.O.B. You can hide your true colours. Not only are you pathetic, you are also a liar. If you don't want to go to arab countries then how can you make the hajj? Isn't the hajj a duty of every muslim if they can do it at least once in their lives? Where is mecca, isn't it in an arab country? You are lost and confused. Bless! |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 31 Oct 2009 : 05:06:23
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Not at all. I was merely quoting James Carville as the context in which he used that statement are similar to a point I am putting across. Back to our friendly discussion. With all due respect and on a serious note you are hanging on to a dying phenomenon. If you think that occasional outbursts and rants against Islam will elevate the plight and status of paganism you are seriously mistaken.
I am fine where I am as a Muslim. I don't need to go to an Arab country to be a Muslim. Going on hajj is a completely separate thing, something you can't truely comprehend unless you join us. I need to maintain a presence so I can continue to enrage you and you fellow pagans by proudly flounting my acceptance of Islam. 80% of Muslims are non Arabs so one does not have to go to an Arab country to be a Muslim. for some reason you still cannot wrap your head around the fact that not all arabs are Muslims. You are a really disturbed person but all hope's not lost. May Allah show you the right way.
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"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 31 Oct 2009 : 10:44:19
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quote:
Originally posted by mansasulu
Not at all. I was merely quoting James Carville as the context in which he used that statement are similar to a point I am putting across. Back to our friendly discussion. With all due respect and on a serious note you are hanging on to a dying phenomenon. If you think that occasional outbursts and rants against Islam will elevate the plight and status of paganism you are seriously mistaken.
I am fine where I am as a Muslim. I don't need to go to an Arab country to be a Muslim. Going on hajj is a completely separate thing, something you can't truely comprehend unless you join us. I need to maintain a presence so I can continue to enrage you and you fellow pagans by proudly flounting my acceptance of Islam. 80% of Muslims are non Arabs so one does not have to go to an Arab country to be a Muslim. for some reason you still cannot wrap your head around the fact that not all arabs are Muslims. You are a really disturbed person but all hope's not lost. May Allah show you the right way.
Mansa,
Your last paragraph sums it all. For me that should be the end of this chapter.
Tam should know that Serers exist only in the senegambia , and in both senegal and gambia they are not majority, i mean no disrespect. And is a tiny percentage of them that are still animists/pagans. The inability to speak a langange does not in anyway bar someone from that ethnic group. Many serrers, fulas, jolas have metamaphosed into wolofs in Banjul and Dakar. Thats wat is referred in wollof as serrer or poll bu GALLEE OR in mandinka Fula BANNO. The few serer words that Tam volunteered were actually christians hymns translated into serrer, like others translated into fula, jola etc etc. So Tam is anti-islam and an evangilist in disguise. |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 31 Oct 2009 : 23:42:02
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There are more than 180 Million Turkic lives in Turkey, Azarbaijan, Iran, Kazakhistan, Uzbekistan, Russia, Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, China. Turks became Muslim during the 900s. They used to be 'Shaman' which is very similar to African religions prior to Islam. Tamsier thinks Turks are arab. Turks are from Asia. Our roots even goes beyond north american natives. What an *****. Anyway. There are similar arguements as some of the ultra nationalists Turks barks just like Tamsier. Tamsier reminds me these people. Same as white Supremacist. Their theory is similar. Based on race, tribe and they associate themselves with religion to isolated themselves so that they can be 'pure', 'super' and 'isolated' to anyone else. Tamsier dream is a community based on Black and Pagan. Just like Turkic dream of 'Turan' going back to our roots. No African, no arab or no white can be part of 'Turan'. No white or asian can be part of this 'black and pagan' community because your criteria is being 'black' is something you are born with.
Can you see how he brings his being 'serer' as a supreme to others? He is already poisoned by nationalism.
This is where Islam is different. Islam has never been based on race and nationalism. It is based on Umma, brotherhood based on value system. Today there are more Turks Muslims, than Arabic Muslims. More African Muslim brothers than Arabic Muslims. Islam is universal. I see Islam is superior to what Tamsier advocates for a single reason for its not being based on 'race, tribe or nation'. To me, I can take a good Muslim brother from Gambia as my blood brother to any Nationalist Turk.
I will give him some credit though. We still have Muslims who do not get the message of Islam. If any African Muslims do not treat Pakistani right or; a Turk does not treat an African brother right, that is because of 'racism, nationalism and tribalism' sickness we still could not get rid of as Muslims.
Here is what our hero says:
http://www.lancs.ac.uk/socs/islamic/documents/hajj2.htm |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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