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kayjatta
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 Posted - 15 Oct 2009 : 07:53:15
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Thanks for your answers Moe. You have certainly added value to the discussion.
Thanks again... |
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 15 Oct 2009 : 10:01:00
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Originally posted by Moe
Answer: ...amalgamation of armies which were previously in the opposition camp...... and the introduction of political control of the armed forces. ............................................Peace
Moe, thanks, point taken
Can you please explain the above for us laymen; hence the principle; let those who know tell us who do not know |
Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 15 Oct 2009 : 10:44:40
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KAY.It would appear that MOE has been fully "repaired" ,I agree whole heartedly with your comments, I hope the "repair" remans effective for a long time.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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kayjatta
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Posted - 15 Oct 2009 : 10:51:23
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I hope so too, Toubab. I hope Moe also honestly tell us what is in the briefcase; certainly not rice seeds from Taiwan... |
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Moe
USA
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Posted - 15 Oct 2009 : 23:02:13
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Hey kay one thing i can assure you is,it seems like they forgot to pick up the brother.seeds or no seeds he did it with style......................................................Peacequote:
Originally posted by kayjatta
I hope so too, Toubab. I hope Moe also honestly tell us what is in the briefcase; certainly not rice seeds from Taiwan...
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I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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Moe
USA
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Posted - 15 Oct 2009 : 23:05:50
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C'mon Janko ,dont turn me into a tribalist ,i said what i was gonna say so there you have it.Lol...........................................peacequote:
Originally posted by Janko
quote:
Originally posted by Moe
Answer: ...amalgamation of armies which were previously in the opposition camp...... and the introduction of political control of the armed forces. ............................................Peace
Moe, thanks, point taken
Can you please explain the above for us laymen; hence the principle; let those who know tell us who do not know
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I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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toubab1020
12306 Posts |
Posted - 15 Oct 2009 : 23:11:19
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Moe, your new signature
"The last human freedom is to choose one's attitude in a set of given circumstances.............Peace"
interests me,(seriously! )is it a quote or one you thought of yourself?
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Moe
USA
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Posted - 15 Oct 2009 : 23:41:47
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Toubab i wish i could have thought of that on my own ,It is my favourite quotes i heard along the way. quote:
Originally posted by toubab1020
Moe, your new signature
"The last human freedom is to choose one's attitude in a set of given circumstances.............Peace"
interests me,(seriously! )is it a quote or one you thought of yourself?
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I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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Moe
USA
2326 Posts |
Posted - 16 Oct 2009 : 07:52:32
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Kayjatta here is some more bang for your buck..............................Peace
The PRO of the National Army has dismissed all the rumours that arrest of officers followed their dismissal. This tends to confirm that their removal was not linked to any allegations of security breaches .what is apparent from the comments of the President is that 14 Million dollars had been allocated to rehabilitate facilities at the Yundum barracks. He lamented that they did not get value for money. He explained how contractors connived with officers to divert building materials to the detriment of the buildings which should have been constructed. He inspected the beds of the soldiers and expressed that even his own child would not want to sit on such beds. The camera focused on the dilapidated state of some of the buildings and the derelict state of some of the vehicles. He made allegations against those in command of being guilty of gross negligence. He concluded that those responsible would have to be reprimanded.
One could see from the remarks of the President that he was engaged in a confidence building exercise among the ranks as he narrated his experience at one of the blocks of buildings at the Fajara Baracks he referred to as “Ya ma Togne” (You are an intruder). He even tried to indict the PPP government by making claims that mass graves could be found in a given area of the Fajara Barracks arising from the 1981 coup attempt. It could be read from his comments that the dismissed officers were not subjected to arrest when he indicated at Fajara Barracks he would send negligent officers to jail, if the incidents were to recur. He promised to bring his team of builders to Fajara Barracks to finish the construction planned for that area. Finally, the president could be seen at the Bakery as children received loaves of bread as gifts.
Many readers are wondering what to make of the whole exercise. One thing which is very clear is that there is a constitutional provision for the appointment and removal of the heads of the armed forces. Section 190 subsection (1) of the Constitution reads:
“The President shall after consulting the National Security Council, appoint-
a) The Chief of Defence Staff of the Armed Forces;
b) The Armed Forces Chief of Staff;
c) The Commanders of the Army, the Navy and the Air Force.”
In terms of removal, section 190 subsection (3) indicates that:
“The President may, after consulting the National Security Council, remove from office the Chief of Defence Staff, The Armed Forces Chief of Staff, or the Commander of the Army, the Navy and the Air Force.”
Subsection (4) adds that,
“The President may, after consulting the Armed Forces Council, appoint the Commanders of any formation or unit of the Armed Forces.”
In short, the Constitution expects the President to build up institutions and institutional processes which will prevent decisions from being made without due processes taking place. One expected that dismissal for corruption would be preceded by the submission of a report from a Commission of enquiry or the Auditor General indicating incriminating findings. In the case of the Armed Forces, the public rely on the President’s comments to try to figure out what gave rise to the dismissals. This gives a unilateralist perspective to the dismissals. What the country needs are institutions and institutional processes which will ensure that justice is always done and is seen to be done regardless of who is involved.
Source:http://www.foroyaa.gm/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3632
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Originally posted by kayjatta
Thanks for your answers Moe. You have certainly added value to the discussion.
Thanks again...
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I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 16 Oct 2009 : 08:28:38
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Thanks Moe, I did read this piece yesterday and it is apparent from the Army PRO that no arrest have been made contrary to earlier reports. In either case, the point is that if the dismissals were based on actual wrongdoing like embezzlement and corruption, don't you think those involved should answer for their crimes? The fact that there were no arrests, or arrests and release, bolstered the argument that Jammeh's reasons for purging the security forces are weak. Why is it that Jammeh is going around town making all these allegations while those allegedly involved (Tamba and others) are walking the streets free? How come Jammeh is not limited to a targeted correction of the problem instead of overhauling the entire military (and NIA) leadership? What has the NIA (and the Republican national Guard) got to do with it? Why is the police, as yet, spared even though the 'Police Lines' are another shameful slums? Why did Jammeh canceled his trip to France at the last minute without explanation? Why is Jammeh going around town making new (pathetic) pledges of assistance and development?
This overbreadth approach by Jammeh to deal with a localized problem of construction at the military barracks indicates a bigger security concern. It is a culmination of a series of desperate measures the Chairman has resorted to for the past year or two ...
So far Jammeh's reasons for dismantling the military and NIA leadership is weak. It is a mere face-saving exercise and a desperate attempt to tame an armed force that has increasingly become wild, disgruntled, and dangerous. |
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toubab1020
12306 Posts |
Posted - 16 Oct 2009 : 12:07:49
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MOE you are SOOOOOOOO........modest
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Originally posted by Moe
Toubab i wish i could have thought of that on my own ,It is my favourite quotes i heard along the way.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Moe
USA
2326 Posts |
Posted - 17 Oct 2009 : 20:29:25
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Originally posted by kayjatta
Thanks Moe, I did read this piece yesterday and it is apparent from the Army PRO that no arrest have been made contrary to earlier reports. In either case, the point is that if the dismissals were based on actual wrongdoing like embezzlement and corruption, don't you think those involved should answer for their crimes? The fact that there were no arrests, or arrests and release, bolstered the argument that Jammeh's reasons for purging the security forces are weak. Why is it that Jammeh is going around town making all these allegations while those allegedly involved (Tamba and others) are walking the streets free? How come Jammeh is not limited to a targeted correction of the problem instead of overhauling the entire military (and NIA) leadership? What has the NIA (and the Republican national Guard) got to do with it? Why is the police, as yet, spared even though the 'Police Lines' are another shameful slums? Why did Jammeh canceled his trip to France at the last minute without explanation? Why is Jammeh going around town making new (pathetic) pledges of assistance and development?
This overbreadth approach by Jammeh to deal with a localized problem of construction at the military barracks indicates a bigger security concern. It is a culmination of a series of desperate measures the Chairman has resorted to for the past year or two ...
So far Jammeh's reasons for dismantling the military and NIA leadership is weak. It is a mere face-saving exercise and a desperate attempt to tame an armed force that has increasingly become wild, disgruntled, and dangerous.
So in all essence what you are saying is that all the mentioned institutions were in top notch shape prior to the Jammeh regime and over time ,deteriorated to the state it is in ,That's the only basis for you arguement right now. For if the institutions were worse prior to the coming of Jammeh,that is development at a very slow pace ,aint it?.
Explain to me how the Gambian army and police force despite all the rhetoric about being unprofesssional emerged as one of Africa's finest.I don't have to argue that point it's evident.
What does localized constructions and improvements at the security barracks got to do with security concerns ,The fact is Kay no disrespect but your arguements lack merit ,you have nothing to substantiate it with.
What you are failing to understand Kay is that the entire system in Gambia needs a complete overhaul .Starting with the notorious NIA to the fire services ,the fact is whether you like the pace it's going or not ,the unethical and unprofessional behaviour exhibited by these institutions is responsible for the state of affairs currently. Yes or NO?
Who told you the military is wild disgruntled and dangerous ,The freedom newspaper? You have your facts wrong Kay..................................................Peace
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I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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Moe
USA
2326 Posts |
Posted - 17 Oct 2009 : 20:32:57
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Watch your self now Toubab,this is the new order of things ..................................Peacequote:
Originally posted by toubab1020
MOE you are SOOOOOOOO........modest
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I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 18 Oct 2009 : 14:45:36
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OK MOE, no humour of a personal nature,now you have recovered,thanks
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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