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kayjatta
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 Posted - 13 Oct 2009 : 10:52:54
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http://observer.gm/africa/gambia/article/inspector-general-for-the-army
Jammeh has resorted to more desparate measures in a paranoid attempt to contain an increasingly strainuous army.
Certainly, military coups are invariably staged for military (army) reasons, and Jammeh's recent actions are directed at appeasing those military ambitions of promotions, better pay and better facilities.
Recently Jammeh made a series of mass promotions of scores of military officers, as well as some minor shake ups where some officers' (both retired and active) services were terminated.
However, Jammeh's decision to topple the leadership of the Gambia National Army last Friday, Oct. 09, 2009 for very weak reasons is an extermely desparate measure.
The addition of the new post of the Inspector General ( I.G.)of the army further indicates Jammeh's security or insecurity concerns. The post of the I.G. has added a new layer to the military leadership; and that coupled with the ethnic setup of the new appointments, it is hoped, will make any consensus for mutiny in the army difficult to achieve.
All these measures are only temporary though. Jammeh can only create total and lasting security in the Gambia by immediately decentralizing power and strictly respect the freedoms and human rights of all Gambians. Failure to do this might only delay the inevitable. The army, Jammeh's biggest worry right now will eventually consume him... You cannot keep a lion as a pet and allow it to go hungry; it will certainly eat you up. As long as Jammeh's presidency derives its power from the military instead of the democratic process, he will not sleep well...
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terangba
Egypt
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Posted - 13 Oct 2009 : 14:08:04
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Thanks Kay for such an insightful analysis. My suggestion to Dalton will be to recruit you and Janko for news analyst positions at Gianako or one of the on line papers.
Gambians live in an interconnected society where peaceful coexistence and the surest path to everlasting stability depends on adhering to the rule of law, respecting human rights, and ensuring a fair justice system.
Now more than ever our society needs decent citizen who will stand for the truth and call for the adherence to the rule of law and guaranteeing human rights. Who so every a call for anything different is an unethical person.
Democracy moi guarantee:
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Moe
USA
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Posted - 13 Oct 2009 : 17:38:54
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Kayjatta you are begining to look like toubab1020,I think this topic fits under "Removal of army chief" your opinions are baseless and lack substance. Whats your evidence to back up your assertions? . What you imagine is completely different from whats real, How do you feel about that?.attention seekers..................................................peace
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terangba
Egypt
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Posted - 13 Oct 2009 : 20:14:49
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Originally posted by Moe
Kayjatta you are begining to look like toubab1020,I think this topic fits under "Removal of army chief" your opinions are baseless and lack substance. Whats your evidence to back up your assertions? . What you imagine is completely different from whats real, How do you feel about that?.attention seekers..................................................peace
Moe if Kays analysis are not real then what in your opinion is really going on. |
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 13 Oct 2009 : 21:50:17
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quote:
Originally posted by terangba
Thanks Kay for such an insightful analysis. My suggestion to Dalton will be to recruit you and Janko for news analyst positions at Gianako or one of the on line papers.
Terangba, thanks, am flattered, there are too many captains on board this ship, so it will not be easy to take the right route, but never shall we let this ship go astray … … … |
Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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Moe
USA
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Posted - 14 Oct 2009 : 02:21:44
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Wait a minute now Terangba ,I did not question you yet so let Kay defend what he wrote.Why is it that all of a sudden Kay needs protection.The brother said it so he can come and stand behind what he said anything less is cowardly.Are you the new advertising agent for Gainako or have you beeen successfully recruited?....................................................Peacequote:
Originally posted by terangba
Moe if Kays analysis are not real then what in your opinion is really going on.
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I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
Edited by - Moe on 14 Oct 2009 02:25:19 |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 14 Oct 2009 : 06:50:01
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quote:
Originally posted by terangba
Thanks Kay for such an insightful analysis. My suggestion to Dalton will be to recruit you and Janko for news analyst positions at Gianako or one of the on line papers.
Gambians live in an interconnected society where peaceful coexistence and the surest path to everlasting stability depends on adhering to the rule of law, respecting human rights, and ensuring a fair justice system.
Now more than ever our society needs decent citizen who will stand for the truth and call for the adherence to the rule of law and guaranteeing human rights. Who so every a call for anything different is an unethical person.
Democracy moi guarantee:
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Moe
USA
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Posted - 14 Oct 2009 : 06:54:30
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| Hmmmmm ,still waiting for your reply Kay,don't run away ......................................................Peace |
I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 14 Oct 2009 : 06:59:09
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Thanks Moe. Before I defend my position, I need to know what is it that you did not agree with.
I am not an absolutist. I do not believe there is an absolute truth, and that no single person has a monopoly of ideas. Therefore, any analysis I make is itself subject to criticism.
If you identify any part of my so-called analysis that you disagree with, I will be more than happy to either defend or clarify that part... |
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Moe
USA
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Posted - 14 Oct 2009 : 07:23:54
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Am glad you tighten your "Dabakurto" and answered to the calling. First of all explain what you mean by Jammeh toppling the leadership of the Army for very weak reasons is an act of desperation?
You said the "Inspector General ( I.G.)of the army further indicates Jammeh's security or insecurity concerns. The post of the I.G. has added a new layer to the military leadership; and that coupled with the ethnic setup of the new appointments, it is hoped, will make any consensus for mutiny in the army difficult to achieve."
explain this statement and whilst at it Mr professor, clarify the role of the new IGP of the army and don't screw around ,the fact is you are really unbelievable Kay. What is the role of the New IGP KAYJATTA if i may ask and how does it add an extra layer of security and when did security concerns stop being an issue?
while at it tell me the last time a high military officer succeded in a coup ,it's never the guys on top ,they become victims .It's always the little man with the heart of a lion.
Care explaining this ,it seems like everytime i look around i see fools breaking the law as if their fathers dedicated the laws for them. I don't think the people screaming human rights are in place to do so ,they are the ones breaking the law and hiding behind something that can't save them.
Kayjatta:"Jammeh can only create total and lasting security in the Gambia by immediately decentralizing power and strictly respect the freedoms and human rights of all Gambians. Failure to do this might only delay the inevitable. The army, Jammeh's biggest worry right now will eventually consume him."
Please explain what you mean by Ethnic set up and why it will be difficult ,they say am the tribalist but we shall see soon.............................................Peace
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I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 14 Oct 2009 : 09:06:25
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Okay here we go Moe:
1. Jammeh toppling the leadership of the army: what I mean is that by removing the Army Chief of staff and four other senior officers and by appointing a new Army Commander, Deputy Army Commander, Commander for Training and Doctrine, deputy Commander for Training and Doctrine, Commander and deputy Commander of the Republican National Guard; Jammeh has effectively and disproportionately ousted (removed) the core leadership of the Gambia National Army. This action is not backed by any stated specified reason other than that of the ‘deplorable condition’ of the military barracks, and if there were any crimes they were not linked to any specific person, otherwise Gen. Tamba would not be arrested only to be released shortly afterward.
Therefore, the reason given for dismantling (toppling) the leadership of the army is a weak one that only points to Jammeh’s out-of-options (desperate) attempt to maintain the loyalty of the Army by appeasing their material indulgence.
2. The Inspector General of the Army: The Inspector General of the Army, henceforth the IGA, is a senior officer of the army and his office occupies a leadership position in the management of the army and the armed services. This post of the IGA is the first ever of its kind in the Gambia National Army; therefore it is a new layer (addition) to the leadership of the army. How this new position will share power with the army Commander, the CDC, and other top military officers is yet to be defined and explained.
3. The Role of the IGA: The IGA appears to be a variation of the post of the Inspector General of Police, henceforth referred to as the IGP. The IGP, in almost all countries that has it, is the head of the national or regional police force. I suspect, there is a preponderance of the evidence that the IGA will be more concerned with the welfare and wellbeing of Jammeh’s most important constituency-the army.
The post of the IGA could therefore potentially stabilize or destabilize the structure of power in the military, and therefore either prolong Jammeh’s rule or precipitate his fall. In any case, the real political stability of the Gambia lies in the return of power into civilian democratic institutions, rather than reliance on the armed forces. The army, by its structure and training, is not a competent body for installing internall political order and stability.
4. The ethnic setup of the new appointees: If you examine the background of the new appointees (Kinteh, Drammeh, Mbye, Njie, Badjie, Faati, Seckan, Bah and Sanyang), the putative ethnic representation is apparent. From the perspective of Marxist historical materialism, all revolutions start from the oppressed bottom strata of society. Therefore one could argue that if there will be any coup by the army, it will be initiated by the junior officers and non-officers. However senior officer coups, or the so-called ‘palace coups’ have also occurred before. Furthermore,even where junior officers and non-officers stage coups, they often succeed only with the support of atleast some senior officers.
Therefore, the reshuffling of the army leadership is Jammeh’s latest desperate attempt to install order (maybe more disorder-entropy) to his disorderly military universe.
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terangba
Egypt
225 Posts |
Posted - 14 Oct 2009 : 14:06:34
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Moe; Kay has elaborated on his analysis so what is your analysis. What in your opinion is really going on? Yesaterday you said to Kay" What you imagine is completely different from whats real" So I am respectfully requesting you to kindly tell us what is real?
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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
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Posted - 14 Oct 2009 : 15:14:25
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Hahaha,its getting hot in here.Come on Big mouth Moe give your opinion NAK.(COMBA BII SAFF NAH Y ) |
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Edited by - LEMON TIME on 14 Oct 2009 15:16:09 |
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terangba
Egypt
225 Posts |
Posted - 14 Oct 2009 : 15:33:15
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| Lemon Time please do not spoil this for me. LOL |
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terangba
Egypt
225 Posts |
Posted - 14 Oct 2009 : 16:06:26
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The mission of most armies is to fight and win wars by providing prompt, sustained land dominance across the full range of military operations and spectrum of conflict in support of combatant commanders.
Modern Armies do this by organizing, equipping, and training forces for the conduct of prompt and sustained combat operations on land:
In order to accomplish this lofty mission a functional Army has to provide installations that enable Soldier and Family readiness, and provide a quality of life that matches the quality of service they provide to the Nation.
In the US Army the Command responsible for the upkeep of all installations is called U.S. Army Installation Management Command; IMCOM manages installations and facilities in support of the Army. IMCOM enables the Training of Soldiers and Adaptive Leaders by providing and maintaining high-quality training living areas, ranges and facilities.
A major objective of any installation command is to Improve Soldier and Family Housing. Requesting a better living condition for soldiers is positive because it has enduring effect on morale. When soldiers know that their families are taken care of they become more effective in accomplishing their objectives.
I do hope the goal of reorganizing the Gambian Army Command Structure is to effect better changes and enable better living conditions for the average soldier.
From the vantage point of a Military Officer this is a good move.
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Moe
USA
2326 Posts |
Posted - 15 Oct 2009 : 06:32:49
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1. Jammeh toppling the leadership of the army: what I mean is that by removing the Army Chief of staff and four other senior officers and by appointing a new Army Commander, Deputy Army Commander, Commander for Training and Doctrine, deputy Commander for Training and Doctrine, Commander and deputy Commander of the Republican National Guard; Jammeh has effectively and disproportionately ousted (removed) the core leadership of the Gambia National Army. This action is not backed by any stated specified reason other than that of the ‘deplorable condition’ of the military barracks, and if there were any crimes they were not linked to any specific person, otherwise Gen. Tamba would not be arrested only to be released shortly afterward.
Therefore, the reason given for dismantling (toppling) the leadership of the army is a weak one that only points to Jammeh’s out-of-options (desperate) attempt to maintain the loyalty of the Army by appeasing their material indulgence.
Answer:The Gambians military as you know Kay has been undergoing immense transformation since the establishment of a democratic government that is since 1996. It has succeeded in involving the amalgamation of armies which were previously in the opposition camp and you know what i mean, the focus at this point as your boy already established is the establishment of a new defence policy in which the security of the populace is the major focus, and the introduction of political control of the armed forces. The process of change first and foremost does not happen overnight and the fact remains that it ain't been easy trying to balance the need for change with defense needs incorporating the financial constraints faced by the country.Regardless it has been stated by the president that the military budget is not a fixed budget and is subsidized meaning basically that there is some cushioning for the budget ,so explain to me the reason for the deplorable conditions of the military camps apart from incompetence, secondly get your sources right ,they were never arrested, the crime here is incompetence and neglect ,the same thing that befell the Jawara regime. What you are saying in effect is that incompetence and the state of the military barracks should not be of major concern .Figure out what restructuring is before we even continue this conversation ,your arguement's are lame and lack merit for i cannot understand why firing 4 or 6 different leaders from different units = the core leadership of an institution like a military installation,you are smoking crack.
2. The Inspector General of the Army: The Inspector General of the Army, henceforth the IGA, is a senior officer of the army and his office occupies a leadership position in the management of the army and the armed services. This post of the IGA is the first ever of its kind in the Gambia National Army; therefore it is a new layer (addition) to the leadership of the army. How this new position will share power with the army Commander, the CDC, and other top military officers is yet to be defined and explained.
Answer:Once again you are missing the whole point ,and your lack of understanding of the Gambian military will haunt ya. the military inspection unit is all that has been boosted ,helps ensure an embarrasing situation as this never occurs again ,you keep asking about checks and balances well there you have it kay.
3. The Role of the IGA: The IGA appears to be a variation of the post of the Inspector General of Police, henceforth referred to as the IGP. The IGP, in almost all countries that has it, is the head of the national or regional police force. I suspect, there is a preponderance of the evidence that the IGA will be more concerned with the welfare and wellbeing of Jammeh’s most important constituency-the army.
The post of the IGA could therefore potentially stabilize or destabilize the structure of power in the military, and therefore either prolong Jammeh’s rule or precipitate his fall. In any case, the real political stability of the Gambia lies in the return of power into civilian democratic institutions, rather than reliance on the armed forces. The army, by its structure and training, is not a competent body for installing internall political order and stability.
Answer:If i try to even think about arguing about the above statement that would be an insult. Obviously you don't know what the role of the IGA is or will be .Making sure the place is up to par is on the opposite spectrum of defence kay,the question that keeps lingering now is what happened to the budget?
4. The ethnic setup of the new appointees: If you examine the background of the new appointees (Kinteh, Drammeh, Mbye, Njie, Badjie, Faati, Seckan, Bah and Sanyang), the putative ethnic representation is apparent. From the perspective of Marxist historical materialism, all revolutions start from the oppressed bottom strata of society. Therefore one could argue that if there will be any coup by the army, it will be initiated by the junior officers and non-officers. However senior officer coups, or the so-called ‘palace coups’ have also occurred before. Furthermore,even where junior officers and non-officers stage coups, they often succeed only with the support of atleast some senior officers.
Answer:LOL ,what would have pleased you backward villager ,FAATI,KINTEH ,DRAMMEH,JANNEH,FATTY,DARBOE,KANTEH. Am guessing these are the only ethnic groups in the Gambia or should they all have fulani last names or wollof last names to be genuine. what you have proven so far, beyond reasonable doubt is that Tribalism and nepotism had nothing to do with the promotions and all tribes are represented is that right or not?
Therefore, the reshuffling of the army leadership is Jammeh’s latest desperate attempt to install order (maybe more disorder-entropy) to his disorderly military universe.
Answer:your closing statement lacks merit Kayjatta ,I don't even think you have a clue what you are talking about ,try fixing the content first ,you haven't proven anything yet............................................Peace
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I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
Edited by - Moe on 15 Oct 2009 07:20:46 |
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