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Karamba
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 02 Oct 2009 : 19:27:42
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Moe wrote:
"The Mandinka's are still pissed off that a Jola took their "Banko" but not a single Mandinka was ready to die for it came July 22nd 1994 with all the warrior history."
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Kitabul Arerr
Gambia
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Posted - 02 Oct 2009 : 22:12:36
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Originally posted by Karamba
Moe wrote:
"The Mandinka's are still pissed off that a Jola took their "Banko" but not a single Mandinka was ready to die for it came July 22nd 1994 with all the warrior history."
A "Quote" from a sick and 100% deranged mind, karamba. No wonder it's been shunned. |
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 02 Oct 2009 : 23:23:25
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Karamba,
That is what I call humor; give it up for the guy.
Remember when J. Jackson was caught saying Obama was talking down on black people, and yet he set tiers when he was sworn in as president. Take no head ...
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Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 03 Oct 2009 : 00:58:13
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Kitabul and Janko,
You both have good points to take home. There is certainly a motive for the type of deluded perception of reality. For anyone to blow up with such statement goes far enough.
Truth of the matter is that Mandinkas are not sole sufferers of the Gambia being turned in shreds by the destructive hands and cruel acts of Yaya Jammeh. "When the rain falls it does not drop on only one man's house" - Bob Marley.
Therefore, it sounds the most absurd of any decaying minds' fabric that Yaya Jammeh's destruction of Gambia is singular loss of the Mandinka ethnic. That is what was put on the plate when Yaya robbed the nation by force of arms and many unfortunately consumed the poisonous concoction with fatal results.
Of course vast amount of land in Gambia was possessed by Mandinka communities and they have generously dished out such land to settlers from Cassamance and elsehwhere who now call Gambia home. That generosity of settlement permitted some of the invaders to choose craving to be kings.
There was no occasion for show of bravery when armed bandits seized power on 22 July 1994. They came to destroy a nation shared by diverse people and Mandinka ethnics are just a part of that mix. |
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terangba
Egypt
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Posted - 03 Oct 2009 : 04:19:25
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Karamba,
Moe is very calculating and I believe he is setting to pitch Mandingkas against non Mandingkas. I am glad no one seems to be taking the bait. He has tried and failed to defend an indefensible regime. No moral and ethical person can defend a regime with horrible human rights records; lack of rule of law; witch hunts, and threats to kill fellow citizen with dissenting views.
Please stay above the fray and do not take the bait. Like you wisely pointed out the whole country is under siege. The Gambia is a different place.
I have told Moe several times if his father or mother were to be picked up and sent to jail for an extended period without trail he will not say half of the nonsense he is saying; if one of his family members was picked up and accused of being a witch he will feel differently and finally if Pap Saine were his dad might be then and only then will he know how it feels to have a sick parent sit in jail for no justifiable reason.
Moe embodies what is wrong with the Gambian Society; some do not care as long as things do not affect them and few have the fortitude to speak the truth.
This too shall pass before then may God Help US all
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God gave men dominion over the beasts and not over his fellow men unless they submit of their own free will. - Napoleon |
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Moe
USA
2326 Posts |
Posted - 03 Oct 2009 : 06:03:51
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Shunned by who "Alpha Blondy"? you are obviously so disgusted you wanna throw up right now but mark my words i don't spit words i vomit, just in case you can't swallow my words ,obviously you can spit it right back at me ,just remember am like the Matrix ,I can dodge debris like no other. 30 years of Mandinka rule with no presidential term limit and Mansa-ship is what brought us Jammeh ,don't pretend as if you forgot.
Saihou Sabally was ready to inherit the state after Jawara's demise or retirement which ever came first,the timing just wasn't right but all the mechanisms were in place to ensure it happens.
Ask Halifa Sallah how come there is a high possibility that he will NEVER be president of the Republic of The Gambia. The answers to that question i can give ya but will save it for Halifa to explain.
The fact is majority rules and the makeup seems to dictate exactly that. Don't be Pissed at me bro ,Ask Darboe and Hamat Bah where they got that logic from, That is exactly what led to the dis-intergration of NADD.
I wish I could tell who is Wollof ,Manjago ,Jola and tukulor on this forum ,may be like you said we can turn on our Mandinka Brothers.LOL  ,you are funny as hell. Don't let the state of paranoia get to Ya Terangba.
I looked up at the sky and it seemed like it was gonna rain ,this is not just gonna be any rain, it's Brim stone and fire like i told ya'll, It's Just another season at the Bantaba ....................................................................peace |
I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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Moe
USA
2326 Posts |
Posted - 03 Oct 2009 : 06:10:18
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quote:
Originally posted by Janko
Karamba,
That is what I call humor; give it up for the guy.
Remember when J. Jackson was caught saying Obama was talking down on black people, and yet he set tiers when he was sworn in as president. Take no head ...
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I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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terangba
Egypt
225 Posts |
Posted - 03 Oct 2009 : 12:25:15
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Are you trying to blame mandingkas for Jawara's lack of foresight to hand over the country to the most qualified? It is obvious that you do not know that Mandinkas are the majority of APRC supporters. If Gambians vote according to tribal lines how can APRC win? Are you trying to say elections are not fair? Come on now you are a POLY Science student you can do better than that.
I for one do not have a single bone of tribalism or hatred in me, I grew up with all tribes and I firmly believe in the holy Quran and our noble books say “O mankind! We have created you from a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know one another. Verily, the most honourable of you with Allâh is that (believer) who has At-Taqwa. Verily, Allâh is All-Knowing, All-Aware.”
I am a successful self made man who firmly believes in democracy, rule of law. I have chosen and elected to defend human rights, democracy and the rule of law because I do not want Sana Sabally to succeed in convincing Gambians that the only way regime change can happen isthrough the barrel of the gun. Because if Sana makes any noise I will be forced to teach you how to operate an M16, a 50 cal, don a ruck sack, navigate land during day and by at night, jump from an airplane and all the element of modern day warfare in order to defend our mother land from becoming another Liberia. May God forbid this from happening but that will be the ultimate test of who the real patriots are.
http://www.thegambiaecho.com/Homepage/tabid/36/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/1543/Default.aspx
You have to endeavor to come up with a new definition for Gambians like me. I do not hate anyone because the goal of my politics is to exchange ideas and make a better future for all Gambians, we have a shared destiny. My great Grandfather is SUSUS and came to Gambia to make a better living, the same way other tribes came from different regions to settle in the Gambia. We have intermarried and I can say with 50 percent (lol) certainty that all Gambians have relatives from other tribes. My aunt is a Wolof, my sister is married to a Fulani that makes my nephews are Fulni, my mother is Mandingka and I still claim to me a Susu. This is modern day Gambia; we have to endeavor to pass down tour kids the loving relationships that our parents pass down to me. The Gambia was not known for threats of killing political opponents. Please let this be the last time we engage in tribal politics, you and I are educated we can do better that that.
I give APRC hands up for proving security and in developing Gambia but we have to address the human rights and rule of law to been seen as credible. This is where you and I differ.
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toubab1020
12306 Posts |
Posted - 03 Oct 2009 : 13:36:24
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terangba,I do hope that posters here read your post carefully,the one section that can improve the Gambia very much is when you wrote these words:
"Please let this be the last time we engage in tribal politics, you and I are educated we can do better that that."
If those words applied to every person in The Gambia,progress would be made,the only question remaining then is, Do Gambians want progress ?
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 03 Oct 2009 : 13:54:57
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Originally posted by terangba
Karamba,
Moe is very calculating and I believe he is setting to pitch Mandingkas against non Mandingkas. I am glad no one seems to be taking the bait. He has tried and failed to defend an indefensible regime. No moral and ethical person can defend a regime with horrible human rights records; lack of rule of law; witch hunts, and threats to kill fellow citizen with dissenting views.
Please stay above the fray and do not take the bait. Like you wisely pointed out the whole country is under siege. The Gambia is a different place.
I have told Moe several times if his father or mother were to be picked up and sent to jail for an extended period without trail he will not say half of the nonsense he is saying; if one of his family members was picked up and accused of being a witch he will feel differently and finally if Pap Saine were his dad might be then and only then will he know how it feels to have a sick parent sit in jail for no justifiable reason.
Moe embodies what is wrong with the Gambian Society; some do not care as long as things do not affect them and few have the fortitude to speak the truth.
This too shall pass before then may God Help US all
Terangba,
I am with you in full appreciation of your observations. Surely this is no way swallowing the filthy bait though very much a deliberate exposure of folly and delusion. Fools can only be fools.
We are all aware of the cordial mix of Gambian diversity and the weight of tolerance widely shared. There are times when people of certain retarded proportion take things for granted. Everyone is free to go nasty but the better people choose not to. That does not make the weak and low braver in any way of looking at things.
The reality before us transcends narrow spread of individual ethnicity. In wider stretch of things, being Jola or Manjaago is not the issue. Fortunately, Gambians are wise enough to know what matters most.
It was raised here on Bantaba that Foni where Yaya Jammeh claims to come from played the 'no go' area for opposition. Yet, other parts of Gambia played the old cool way in far reaching generosity. They have done all they could and voted for a party of thier choice. Ask some narrow-minded and lower persons and they will beat their chest that it is Foni man in power and a Jola for that matter. We have all seen how Momodu Sanyang, a radio announcer who hardly spells the word communication right is now Director of Gambia National Radio and TV. His major qualification is being Jola. Let us face it.
The rest of Gambians may think they are going about politics as usual, but some low thinkers take it taht the demon power of Jammeh or his control of arms is making him stay in power. There was hardly an occasion that anyone would stare at one ethnic group and come up with such crude statements. This is typically un-Gambian and must be condemned not because it is about Fula, Mandinka, or Serrer. It is because few rotten elements want to show seeds of hate and antagonism within Gambia's cordial diversity.
Therefore, this is no way of defending a particular ethnic group. It is to condemn the ugly breeding of hate among good citizens. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 03 Oct 2009 : 14:52:58
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Gambians should be sensitised into thinking they are GAMBIAN and not a member of a particular tribe,this is a problem that the White man made when he divided Africa by the stroke of a pen into countries,very difficult if not impossible to change that thinking if you are a member of a vast family that covers many different "countries" in Africa.
Karamba I agree with your thoughts when you wrote:
"Therefore, this is no way of defending a particular ethnic group. It is to condemn the ugly breeding of hate among good citizens."
At the conclusion of your last post.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 03 Oct 2009 : 20:06:25
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Tribalism has no political value in Gambia
I have never seen it written in any document or heard it in any official statement that the Mandingkas or any other ethnic group own Gambia, so it most be the preconception of the “said-man”. To repeat the mistakes of the old-school politicians of the first republic clearly indicate not doing the homework well and thereby betraying all entrustment.
Comedies are mostly after constructions which are humorous but not factual. At the brink of the coup there was no valuable time to waste on whether Mr. Joula is ready, or Mr. Wolof is hiding,or Mr. Mandingka should take over, or Mr. Foula is this or that, or Mr. so and so is this and that. I am not saying that comedians do not have implications with their comedies, no.
If Moes argument/statement is tribalist and not humorous then I would say its time Moe presents his financial documents for auditing hence he is not only corrupted but destined to fall short in his resposibilities.
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 03 Oct 2009 : 20:10:52
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Very unfortunately Toubab1020, that was what Gambians thought the whole soicio-political relations staged on cordial terms. Gambians are most disappointed that Yaya Jammeh emerged with such unhealthy mentality that he is a conqueror and here to kill or maim as show of power. In the process he created false hopes and patterns of conduct as demonstrated by some deluded persons all around. The rest of Gambians take things as normal but for Yaya Jammeh and his misguided lot, they consider it a triumph of the Jola ethnic over rest of Gambia. That is the fact nobody can deny. The facts are clear. From secret government agents to overseas emabassy staffs, your position is best secured when you are Jola or backed by a Jola. You can even kill or steal and stay enjoying just becuase you are Jola. Look at Momodou Sanyang, Director of Gambia Radio and TV. He is there because of being Jola. His son, Lamin Sabi Santyang at the Embassy in US was arrested and detained for financial misappropriation. Later released, he bounced back to US with more access to public funds. Gambians are just sleeping. Because most decent Gambians would not imagine playing the tribal card they are taken by big surprise that Jammeh is playing it full time in day light.
Let any prove this wrong by fact and not by lame denial. There are more names of Jammeh's tribal bias to prove especially in top public positions. Not to expose and to denounce this ugly state of affairs is nothing less than self denial.
Writing about this is only a way of exposing the truth and that normally does not make someone playing ethnic. Let us face it. |
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Moe
USA
2326 Posts |
Posted - 03 Oct 2009 : 22:11:37
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One simple question ,Who brought us Kebba Nyabbally ,Yahya Ceesay et al. Their positions were gauranteed through out the Previous regime. What were they again? better yet what was there level of Education ,atleast the director of Grts only has a spelling disorder but Please tell me how we ended up with the likes of Kebba nyabbaly and friends.
Kebba Nyabbally was the one given the pyjama at night when they went overseas for a conference ,he kept it until morning time,ironed it and wore it to the conference " Jawara said "Mbaee BAA sellehla" .............................................................Peace
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I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 03 Oct 2009 : 23:16:20
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So therefore it is true that Yaya Jammeh is appointing people based on the qualification of being Jola. Jawara should have been challenged where he was found doing so. Any president who appoints or refuses appointing qualified candidates on the bases of ethnicity stands to be challenged. Should it be proven that Jawara appointed people on the biases of ethnicity, then he was wrong.
Yaya Jammeh also appointing Momodou Sanyang as Director of Gambia Radio and TV based on being Jola is seen wrong. Sanyang was only a translator and there are better qualified persons in that place of work who merit the post of Director.
About past political post holders, my understanding is that they were elected members and not selected by the president. People who know better may be able to explain this.
But, yes, coming back to the point, Momodou Sanyang is made Director of GRTS based purely on being a Jola and his promotion of Yaya Jammeh's leisure activities over radio and TV. Is this fair country women and men?
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Moe
USA
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Posted - 03 Oct 2009 : 23:37:50
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| A translator sounds like an educated person Karamba ,maybe you should go do your homework ,Am pretty sure he was not just translating Wollof to Jola and Manjago. You sound like a tribalist bro. If he is a translator like i understand ,he is in the league of the EK KHANs etc...........................................................................Peace |
I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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