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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
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 Posted - 24 May 2006 : 20:49:59
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| RAINBOW what makes you think all CAMARAS are JOLAS?HEHe EEeHE...you joking an,t you? |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 24 May 2006 : 23:26:31
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Originally posted by kondorong
It shows how close we are. i once attend a function in Banjul a comdeian was on stage. I cannot rememeber his name but is on the drama group TERREH MU TEH.
He joked about a Serere man who was travelling through southern Senegal and was getting late and decided to spend a night in a village who speak jola. so when the elders pass by they would greet each other by the fire
KUNYU LAK KUFITOK (which means i think how are the children? They are fine.AT LEAST ACCORDING TO HIM) However if you twist this a little it would mean something else in wollof. It could mean ( Who are we going to roast?, the guy sitting). The man speaks wollof also and was becoming scared and then ran for his life. Words have meanings in different languages. THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE AND NOT MEANT TO BE DEROGATORY. BANTABA IS SO SENSITIVE THAT ONE CAN HARDLY MAKE AN HONEST CONTRIBUTION WITHOUT BEING TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT.
I am not suprised that some words are found in other languages. English also has anglo-saxon origins.
Kondorong Hope to deal with derogatory remarks later to clarify my earlier position. I just shelve that topic and concentrating on other things more demanding to me. However carry on "******!. Thats not an insult but derogatory and edited automatically, starting letter is "N" with the middle letters "gg" and ending letter "r". Start pondering now as derogatory words and remarks exists in many local lanquages of our ethnic groups. |
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Rainbow
Gambia
114 Posts |
Posted - 25 May 2006 : 10:30:47
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That's what Jammeh says! He said there is no Mandingo tribe which automatically qualify all Mandingos to be Jolas - right?
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Originally posted by LEMON TIME
RAINBOW what makes you think all CAMARAS are JOLAS?HEHe EEeHE...you joking an,t you?
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Rainbow
Gambia
114 Posts |
Posted - 25 May 2006 : 10:33:19
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| I AM NOW LEARNING TO SPEAK JOLA BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE ... YOU BETTER FOLLOW! BY 2020 NO MANDINKA WILL BE ALLOW TO ENTER KANINLAI IF YOU CANNOT SPEAK JOLA. |
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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
1295 Posts |
Posted - 25 May 2006 : 13:53:22
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| ok am going to lean how to speak JOLA,kAASUMEH...ETSAAFU...CORCUBOR...JAAKUT |
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Alhassan
Sweden
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Posted - 26 Jul 2006 : 15:41:13
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Originally posted by LEMON TIME
ok am going to lean how to speak JOLA,kAASUMEH...ETSAAFU...CORCUBOR...JAAKUT
People,
I hope most of us would go back to history to trace our elders. IN the SeneGambian region, the Jola, Manjak, Serer, Fullah have been dwelling for a long time. The Soninke (Sarahullle) came from Egypt. They are the remaims of TUNKAHAMOND. This is because they are the only language that use old words from Egypt ex, TUNKAA for God or leader.When it comes to the Mandinkos, they are all from Mali(TILIBONKO)Most of the Bojang(Sankaranka)Sanneh- Manneh and the Sanyang(Kuringo)came from Mali. Why the name of the village KAFUTA? This was a place where people from Mali must visit to find out relatives. Njie and Jatta has no connections. In Mali it is Jarra Njie or Tunkara Njie.There is a confussion between the Lion and the Jattas The wollof Njie's(Ndiayé, Njai)(JARRA or TUNKARA) are also from Mali.In Mali Njie is Jarra or Tunkara. Jobe is Tarawalley and so on. When the Jobarteh(Julas)traders came to the region, some people could not pronounce their names. Njie means goods for sale. Many historians belive that the wollofs came from the North or some belive that they emerged between the Serere and the Fullah. I dont know if all these are true. It would have been nice to have one of our historians write and explain a lot to us on the forum.
All my reserch have been done with the odler Jalis. In fact I came to find out even that we have been giving degrees or titles to jaliscalled MONJATO. Has any of you on the forum seen one? If not Please contact the Kanute family. I have been discussing with them about the roll of the Jali in our societies. This was for my own reserch for my family as some of them are not African.
I am glad that we discuss such things. Our children of mixed cultures must be given these information for them to be able to identify themselves in the feature.
Remember, most of our history is connected with Mali because of the Mali Empire. |
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 26 Jul 2006 : 17:52:41
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Originally posted by Alhassan
Njie and Jatta has no connections. In Mali it is Jarra Njie or Tunkara Njie.There is a confussion between the Lion and the Jattas
excellent contribution Alhassan. you confirm my earlier postings about Njie being Jarra NOT Jatta. i learnt of this myself during a personal visit to Mali where i travelled extensively.i was surprised how common Njie is there. In Bamako there is even a big chain of petrol stations called Njie et freres
most of the history has also being researched and documented especially in the francophone region by professors of history departments from universities there. there are many books from Senegal,Mali , Guinea written about culture and history of west africa escpecially concerning the middle ages. unfortunately we didnt have a university so the academic culture is immature in The Gambia. in Senegal several books are published every week!!!!!!
you can read many books by TN Ndiane, Pr. Barry, Y. Tatta Cisse, Y. Person etc if you are in the UK try the SOAS library in London they have many publications regarding Jalis from the gambia. Gordon Innes from the 1970s, and i think the Text by B. sidibe is there too.
in fact regarding migration into the gambia and surnames etc Bamba Suso in narrating the Sunjata epic to G.Innes makes an excellent compilation of how surnames have interchanged.the British Library also has some recordings done in colonial gambia on Jalis, it might be worth looking into if you wish.
i hope this helps, but you are right we need to learn about our selves and understand that we all the same. something our grandparents realised thats why they lived in peace with each other
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Alhassan
Sweden
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Posted - 27 Jul 2006 : 09:18:35
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njucks,
Tanks for your comments. It is imoprtant to know who you are so as to know where you are going. We need much of this history, so as to change some of the attitudes that set back our society. Research and asking those who know are the only things that will help us. If you take an example of Mali, they are far ahead of us in regard to culture. The value of culture cannot be measured. All developed countries invest a lot on culture. Culture is a resurce of a nation that is real incom generating. Through cultural exchange come investors, buisness partners and ect. I mingle a lot withn the cultural scene here and even tack part in cultural politics seminars.
Cultural workers are one of the most integrated people I have fornd.
As you said travelling to Mali is a way of going to your ancestors foot path. I have been able to know stries on many villages and towns like, Birkama, Yundum Farababanta and many others. Even most people in Banjul do not know much of ancent Banjul.
I have red many stories on Gambia and the name, but I would rather take the Portugese that called it Gambra. This is known by mant historians.
Banjul was sold to the British by Tumani Bojang, who was a subordenate to King Demba Sonko of Bara. Then Banjul was under the duerestriction of King Demba Sonko. My family came to the Gambia during the war between Maba and the French. The man who gave refuge to my family was Mamadi Maniang. The Banjul Serekunda high way is named after him. I woul have been glad if we were able to meet and discuss history. The connections between us is so great that we must find out.
By the way , did you rich Timbokotu and Gao? Next time try, or try to reach the family of Sidike Jobarteh. He is the father of the Kora master Toumani Jobarteh. Most intresting to findout also that the kora came from the Gambia and was made famous in Mali by the same Sidike. Sidike belongs to the family of Amadou Bansang Jobarteh the Grand Master of the Kora. If you live in Britain try to contact the organisation called MANSA. They do a lot of research on our old Kingdoms and kings.
I was guided by some cousins who live in Wollofu bougu in Bamako.
Have a nice time
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 27 Jul 2006 : 11:39:51
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Originally posted by Alhassan
It is imoprtant to know who you are so as to know where you are going. We need much of this history, so as to change some of the attitudes that set back our society
 , once again i couldn't agree more. the measure of any civilisation is usually by the level of cultural development. usually this is what is left behind. art, peotry, dance, music etc.
unfortunately i did not go to Timbuktu because believe it or not its still the end of the world, i mainly travelled in the south.furthest was Mopti.
i know Toumani and infact he was in stockholm this May and i went to see him. it will be a pleasure to meet up sometime i am in Sweden as well. His father was a Gambian who latter settled in Mali, you are right. when you mention Kora the root is the south bank of The Gambia/casamance area. the best players are always from there.
the francophone areas were more aware culturally because their leaders recognised the important of culture in the fight against colonialism and its role in a modern state.
Senghor, Sekou Toure, Modibo Keita all promoted cultural awareness. today their work is bearing fruit, all these countries have an internationally successful industry and musicians, Youssour Ndour, Salifou Keita, Mory Kante etc.
even Banna & lalo kebba were all poached by Senegal and were all at the Daniel Serano theatre in Dakar.
even in modern times, people get their basic FACTS wrong. you mentioned Mamadi Maniang Highway, the alkaloship at Jeswang. along the highway you will find registered companies and offices listing their address as Mamadi Manjang Highway. even on radio advertisments!
you see how easy it is to confuse things if people simply just don't know.
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jul 2006 : 00:11:47
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Originally posted by Alhassan
njucks,
Tanks for your comments. It is imoprtant to know who you are so as to know where you are going. We need much of this history, so as to change some of the attitudes that set back our society. Research and asking those who know are the only things that will help us. If you take an example of Mali, they are far ahead of us in regard to culture. The value of culture cannot be measured. All developed countries invest a lot on culture. Culture is a resurce of a nation that is real incom generating. Through cultural exchange come investors, buisness partners and ect. I mingle a lot withn the cultural scene here and even tack part in cultural politics seminars.
Cultural workers are one of the most integrated people I have fornd.
As you said travelling to Mali is a way of going to your ancestors foot path. I have been able to know stries on many villages and towns like, Birkama, Yundum Farababanta and many others. Even most people in Banjul do not know much of ancent Banjul.
I have red many stories on Gambia and the name, but I would rather take the Portugese that called it Gambra. This is known by mant historians.
Banjul was sold to the British by Tumani Bojang, who was a subordenate to King Demba Sonko of Bara. Then Banjul was under the duerestriction of King Demba Sonko. My family came to the Gambia during the war between Maba and the French. The man who gave refuge to my family was Mamadi Maniang. The Banjul Serekunda high way is named after him. I woul have been glad if we were able to meet and discuss history. The connections between us is so great that we must find out.
By the way , did you rich Timbokotu and Gao? Next time try, or try to reach the family of Sidike Jobarteh. He is the father of the Kora master Toumani Jobarteh. Most intresting to findout also that the kora came from the Gambia and was made famous in Mali by the same Sidike. Sidike belongs to the family of Amadou Bansang Jobarteh the Grand Master of the Kora. If you live in Britain try to contact the organisation called MANSA. They do a lot of research on our old Kingdoms and kings.
I was guided by some cousins who live in Wollofu bougu in Bamako.
Have a nice time
Brikama is from the mandinka word for BRIN KAMO an old kabunka term. Having originally moved in the area, Kombo was being attacked by the Bainukas adn they sought help from the people of Kaabu who came over to rescue them from the bainunkas. A kind of cousin relationship evolved between people of kombo and those of kaabu descent. At the end of the war, the kabunkas never returned. It is reported that Kabunkas enjoyed the CHALO I heard this narration on Radio Gambia dirceted by the famous Lalo Samateh on his weekly TAARIKO programme.
BRIN KAMO i believe means a kind of virgin forest or somewhat where people have not settled yet. It is similar to another mandinka word SAYLO spoken largely in northern Gambia |
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 28 Jul 2006 : 00:38:09
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originally posted by kondorong
Brikama is from the mandinka word for BRIN KAMO an old kabunka term.
SAYLO, i thought it had something to do with farming, like a temporary erection on the field to watch the crops or something. but you may be right. its true people form kombo and kaabu have this 'kal' between them.
also there are many Brikamas in the Casamance, guinea bissau. i know brikama ba but i'm sure there are many more within gambia, maybe?
the thing is which ever is the older settlement probably lend its name to the others. its very likely.
what puzzles me about bainukas is that even though they are the first in the kombos but no one seems to know the language. i've been to a village where they said they were bainunkas but they couldnt speak the language?? i dont know if this is the case in senegal or bissau |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 28 Jul 2006 : 00:54:26
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Bainunkas were suppressed after the war with the peopel of kombo. There are many still who can trace their origins but cannot speak the language. They have almost been "identified" as Mandinkas.
SAYLO is a virgin forest that has not been cultivated. It has something to do with farming you are right. A newly cut down forest for farming is called a SAYLO. My believe is that Brimaka in Kombo is the older one. People used to say: MBI TA LA BRIN KAMO TO which then corrupted to Brikama, a settlement that emerged as a result. |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jul 2006 : 01:01:22
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Originally posted by njucks
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originally posted by kondorong
Brikama is from the mandinka word for BRIN KAMO an old kabunka term.
SAYLO, i thought it had something to do with farming, like a temporary erection on the field to watch the crops or something. but you may be right. its true people form kombo and kaabu have this 'kal' between them.
also there are many Brikamas in the Casamance, guinea bissau. i know brikama ba but i'm sure there are many more within gambia, maybe?
the thing is which ever is the older settlement probably lend its name to the others. its very likely.
what puzzles me about bainukas is that even though they are the first in the kombos but no one seems to know the language. i've been to a village where they said they were bainunkas but they couldnt speak the language?? i dont know if this is the case in senegal or bissau
The temporary structure erected on farms to watch over the fields is called BENTENG. KACHA BENTENG is the term used to decscribed the structure for scaring weaver birds from the fields like millet, sorghum. In some places, it is named after the crop itself like SUNA BENTENG, SAANYO BENTENG. BENTENG is the generic name. I have noticed in the kombos, they speak a different mandinka from the provinces. For example LEMUNO in kombo is what pronvincial people calle SORANSO. Also KINTO in Kombo is what iis called BASSO in the provinces. There might be another name for BENTENG. |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jul 2006 : 01:06:27
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Originally posted by kondorong
Bainunkas were suppressed after the war with the peopel of kombo. There are many still who can trace their origins but cannot speak the language. They have almost been "identified" as Mandinkas.
SAYLO is a virgin forest that has not been cultivated. It has something to do with farming you are right. A newly cut down forest for farming is called a SAYLO. My believe is that Brimaka in Kombo is the older one. People used to say: MBI TA LA BRIN KAMO TO which then corrupted to Brikama, a settlement that emerged as a result.
Infact as a young man, this practice of men migrating to the fields and building a hut there for temporary settlement was very common. Usually the head of the household would do that especially in areas where wharthogs(bush pigs) are common and known to destroy crops. They are usually hunters who do this farming practice or atleast have a hunting gun.
A similar hut for the cattle is called JEMBERENG known to be visited by Kondorongs who like to move with the herds. |
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 28 Jul 2006 : 01:11:28
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originally posted by kondorong
A similar hut for the cattle is called JEMBERENG known to be visited by Kondorongs who like to move with the herds.
i c you are in familiar territory. do kondorongs like milk?
well my mandinka is shamefully very bad, but Kombo is really a melting pot of jola,mandinka wollof infact everything. the wollof i speak is different from what people from niumi & provinces speak.
Fana Fanas i dont even understand when they speak.
i also noticed that people from Gunjur(Kombo) speak in a very dragging way. they stretch their words. they are the only people one who do this. |
Edited by - njucks on 28 Jul 2006 01:14:10 |
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