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toubab1020
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 Posted - 14 Aug 2009 : 13:03:24
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Originally posted by kayjatta
Good summary there Toubab1020...
Kay,I pondered long and hard as to write my last post or not,I decided that the time had come to try to explain what I see as the REAL problem,as usual its money, politics and votes, I am in no way critical of immigrants who come to the UK to work,but at the moment there is no work,if you have a job you are lucky,many immigrants came to the UK in the past to do jobs that the UK population would not do for the wages offered but were happy to work and get money to send home, security guards working very long hours for little money,cleaners, bus drivers,nurses and other jobs that had to be done.Those days are GONE,the government in the UK has to resort to all sorts of ways to get more tax money,one way is to go after the motorist,parking charges,fines,etc,the Speed camers were a case in point deliberatly siting them where they would catch the most motorists and get the most money,accident blackspots, reducing accidents those places were the sites were speed cameras were rarely found, it was not until the public eventually made the government realise that they had had enough that the cameras faded from public conciousness. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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snuggels
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Posted - 14 Aug 2009 : 13:36:53
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I agree Toubab with all you say. Things have changed since the first wave of immigrants who are also saying that immigration has to be curbed for all the reasons you have said. The government cant put a blanket ban on it cos thats against human rights. So they hike up the cost of a visa and make things vague or open to interpretation.
A lot of countries also have an immigration problem But I think the Aussies have got it right with thier points system. But because they are an isolated country is difficult for illegal immigrants to get there exept by boat and that has happend in the past. I remeber some years ago a boatload of people came from Cambodia or Veitnam I cant remember and the aussies said if they entered thier territorial waters they would blow them out of the water and they ment it. I dont think they have that problem now.
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toubab1020
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Posted - 14 Aug 2009 : 16:09:34
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| Blowing people to bits in their boats is a bit over the top.I agree that the Australians have developed a system that is fair,if your skills are wanted and you have a job welcome,if you want to visit welcome,the visas are issued electronically over the Australian Governments WWW page and cost $20 Australian dollars (they say that they are free and the $20 is for "processing" ?)there are different types of Visas you can apply for at various costs depending on what you want to come to Australia for.The information is very clear on the visa.If you fail to leave the country when you should do and are found out you will NEVER get another visa.If you havn't got a visa when you should have one then you are deported, very simple. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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snuggels
960 Posts |
Posted - 14 Aug 2009 : 19:48:59
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Extreme situations require extreme measures So yeah blow them out the water. That threat has done the trick.You dont hear of the Asian boat people problem now as you did years ago
I remember many years ago in spain with illegal immigrants crossing the Med from North Africa anyone caught on the beach after a certain time you were shot NO questions asked you were shot
Yes the Australian Visa application is very clear. As at one time I thought of retireing there. Not like ours that is vague in requirement or left open interpretation.
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turk
USA
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Posted - 15 Aug 2009 : 06:03:34
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eVisa is only eligible for EU, Canada and some additional developed countries. Other countries still need to apply at the embassy/consulate.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 15 Aug 2009 : 14:26:06
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Originally posted by turk
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eVisa is only eligible for EU, Canada and some additional developed countries. Other countries still need to apply at the embassy/consulate.
Thanks Turk, coming from England I only knew about how to apply from an English standpoint,your information is very usefull Thanks. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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toubab1020
12314 Posts |
Posted - 15 Aug 2009 : 14:34:00
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Originally posted by toubab1020
All this is very interesting I am sure,now lets be honest instead of going round in circles,The Uk is full up, people from developing countries want to come here because benefits are available because of the welfare state and the leglislation that has been passed encourages the use of these benefits,NOW, things have changed and the government in the UK is in Debt, it has no money,SO, what to do ? problem, Tourism has become VERY important,so that must be promoted and encouraged in order to bring money into the UK,as the UK has limited other resources available now ,money shuffling is no longer profitable, banking is useless,manufacturing is a thing of the past,people are living longer, more money being paid in pensions.Integrity of government and ministers must be preserved to show that they never make mistakes and are always right,The visa system comes into play, holidays, yes, education, yes,short visits ,yes,private medical treatment,yes, but those who require visas to visit UK now have to prove that they have money to look after themselves and are not going to rely on the state to keep them.It is roumoured that bank funds are "shared" when applying for visas.There is no doubt that the poor immigration officer has now become the governments whipping boy to deal with people who want to come to the UK for things other than to bring money into the country,leaving government and ministers looking good.Again political deviousness, I hate politics!
This is some the Benefits available from Local Councils,
SNIPPET:
John and Serena Connors and their seven children — an Irish traveller family — have been in residence at this five-bedroom £1million home since February, when they were moved by Barnet Council into privately-owned accommodation under the Local Housing Allowance scheme.
The scheme was introduced by the Government a year ago to encourage private landlords to take on council tenants in a bid to alleviate a housing shortage.
Since then, there have been several cases highlighted by the Daily Mail where families, living off benefits, have been rehomed in some of the most exclusive and expensive neighbourhoods in Britain — all at the taxpayers’ expense.
The Connors don’t pay any rent, of course. The £2,400 a month it costs to lease the house is covered by their housing benefit.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1206652/The-1m-neighbours-hell-Meet-gipsy-family-terrorising-peaceful-street.html#ixzz0OFpboaiw
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Prince
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Posted - 15 Aug 2009 : 14:47:57
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OK Toubab, I'm going to gather seven random homeless kids from the streets of Serekunda and move to Mayfair.... Are my cousins allowed to come with me? |
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toubab1020
12314 Posts |
Posted - 15 Aug 2009 : 15:04:20
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Good Plan, I expect that would be alright seriously though this is what makes the general UK population a little upset,and makes me dislike politicians, who do not live in the world of normal people.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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snuggels
960 Posts |
Posted - 15 Aug 2009 : 15:19:08
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I think the average brit on the whole is very a tolerant person and is not biasded against colour creed or religion but because of the politicians there are rumberlings what about us Brits and are becomming resentful
I think Enock Powell the out spoken controversial polotician had it right back in the 50/60s. When he said There is big big trouble ahead on the streets if immigration was not stopped or stringently controlled |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 17 Aug 2009 : 06:53:47
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| Until late 1994, there were no visa requirement for Gambians coming to U.K. The visa to U.K. was introduced after the July military takeover in the Gambia, I believe, as the British forsee an exodus of Gambians ... |
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sab
United Kingdom
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Posted - 17 Aug 2009 : 12:11:01
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I was a sponsor during the summer months of 1994. Visa requirements came into force October 1994 but the legislation was passed before the coup in The Gambia, before my paperwork was completed in June 1994.
At that time persons arriving at Gatwick were interviewed. Then the sponsor was called via the loudspeaker to a designated area for interview.
Gambians had difficulty gauging the amount of money to have on them, as it was a requirement by immigration that they had some.
Stories at the time were, you could have too little or too much – there were no recourse to public funds – the same as now.
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toubab1020
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Posted - 17 Aug 2009 : 12:14:38
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Originally posted by sab
I was a sponsor during the summer months of 1994. Visa requirements came into force October 1994 but the legislation was passed before the coup in The Gambia, before my paperwork was completed in June 1994.
At that time persons arriving at Gatwick were interviewed. Then the sponsor was called via the loudspeaker to a designated area for interview.
Gambians had difficulty gauging the amount of money to have on them, as it was a requirement by immigration that they had some.
Stories at the time were, you could have too little or too much – there were no recourse to public funds – the same as now.
And so, the visa rumbles on and on................................. Ad infinitum................................changes being brought about at he whim of................
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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