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Santanfara
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 Posted - 07 Aug 2009 : 16:12:41
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| Buba, you are wasting your words to a rock. She will never in a million years acknowledge the banditry of Yaya. Not a single crime as she ever condemn. From the unlawful prosecution of Fatou Jaw Manneh, to the unlawful imprisonment of decent hardworking Gambian and the many unexplained disappreances. Do you think She will condem yaya for the illigal jailing of old and ill Pap Saine? aged Sam Sarr and the rest? hell no. so please let her be. she hasn't the tiniest smytpaty for Gambains. let her and the scholar collaborate and massage yaya's crimes. Hell await all those who support tyrants. sickness. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Jangjang
Austria
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Posted - 07 Aug 2009 : 16:17:31
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I dont think Gambians should worry about Sis Omega's baseless arguements in support of Tribalist Jammeh. She is a Jamiacan who cannot understand the tribal complications of Africa and i think it is best to stay out of it. People should not be surprise to hear this type of utterance from Jammeh. This is not the first time Jammeh is attacking mandinkas. Jammeh once said that mandinkas will never rule in the Gambia again as far as he is alive but Mandinkas are Gambians too. Do you support this statement too, Sis. It is only in the Gambia a president can make such provocative statements and get away with it, because we believe God will come down to solve all our problems for us. 'ALLAH BETEYATA'.
Another point to note, where is Ousainou Darboe? He is accused again of killing. Or he is going to wait until before election to reply? |
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shaka
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Posted - 07 Aug 2009 : 17:17:25
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Hell await all those who support tyrants. sickness.(Santa)
If there is hell Santa, rest assured that its hottest embers are reserved for you. Your hypocrisy know no bound and it just sickens me when you try to preach about morality and righteousness. You are a million times worse than the most die-hard Jammeh supporters in that you do not hesitate to put to the sword those who lay their lives against the Jammeh tyranny. Why do you always insult, slander and heap lies on good people and expect an ounce of respect from others? Are the people you like to insult not going to be accused again of political opportunism and expediency if they as much as dare to caution the Sheikh about inflaming tribalism with his irresponsible chatters on Gambia TV? At least most Jammeh follower don't support him because they hate his adversaries but your hatred and contempt for certain persons in Gambian politics is sick. Not that you know what they are all about or what they stand but out of sheer ignorance you hate people who could potentially have risked their lives to save your own mother from the claws of witch hunters and other evil folks assigned by a desperate despot. You are sick man. |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07 Aug 2009 : 18:17:37
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Originally posted by Jangjang
Another point to note, where is Ousainou Darboe? He is accused again of killing. Or he is going to wait until before election to reply?
Jangjang,
What benefit will you or the nation gain from Mr Darboe's response to what appears to be a malicious personal attack against his own person, not the nation? I guess if there is to be any benefit here it would be exclusively for Mr Darboe himself. And if he chooses not to respond to such a despicable tirade against his own person, who are you to decide for him?
I advice that you shift your focus on the national issue and leave Mr Darboe's personal issues to himself. He is capable enough to deal with them in his own way, as and when he chooses.
Thanks
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Momodou
Denmark
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Posted - 07 Aug 2009 : 18:41:49
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Originally posted by Jangjang
Another point to note, where is Ousainou Darboe? He is accused again of killing. Or he is going to wait until before election to reply?
There are two articles in the July 27th-29th, 2009 issue of The Daily News captioned "UDP Reacts to President Jammeh" and "Gambian Authorities are Held Responsible for Kanyiba's Arrest - Layer Ousainou Darboe". The first article are comments on behalf of UDP by Femi Peters on the allegations against Layer Darboe and the second article are comments by Layer Darboe about the arrest and detention of the UDP militants Kanyiba Kanyi and Ousman Jatta alias Rambo.
I don't have these articles in electronic form but they are in hard copy. |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07 Aug 2009 : 18:44:27
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Originally posted by Sister Omega
Come on Guys ,let's be honest the July 22 Rev turned the Gambia class system upside down period. This system placed the Mandinkas and Aku's on top and the other Ethnic Groups further down the bottom now that's history.
Sister Omega,
You disgust me with your despicable lies. Who told you that Mandingos were placed on top of a so-called class system during the first republic? Do know the composition of the civil service then and those occupying the most influential positions? Do you know those who control the police and the Army? Do you know that throughout the 30yr reign of the PPP, there was only 1 mandinka Ambassador? Do know that throughtout the 30yr reign of the ppp, there were only 5 mandinka permanent Secretaries, and 3 of them were only appoint in the dying years of the PPP, the early 1990s? Do you know that throughout the 30yr reign of the PPP, there were no mandinka secretary-General? Do you know that throughout the 30yr reign of the PPP, there were no mandinka Accountant-General or Auditor-General? If the mandinkas were placed in the top of a so-called class system based on wealth, why is it that ''mandinka'' is not the most spoken language in the wealthiest neighbourhoods in the Gambia- the likes of Pipeline, Fajara, Cape Point, Kanifing etc?
You don't know what you are talking about.
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2009 : 21:28:17
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Jangjang your narrow mindedness cannot hide your immaturity. It's comical to me that you can't get over my triple hertitage what's your problem Bro. Nyarikangbanna you sound like a kettle letting off steam. President Dawda Jawara President of the Republic of The Gambia since 1965-1994, Vice President Saiho Sabally, and BB, Darboe, Minister of Finance and Education, and of cause other Ethnic Groups worked in the Civil service.
Nyarikangbanna I suppose the reaon why Mandinka isn't the spoken in the most affluent regions of Pipeline,Fajara, Cape Point and Kanifing is because most of the population speak Wolof because it's much easier to communicate in. As a Mandinka Bredren of mine informed me. Not saying that the Gambian Youth of today can't speak their own Ethnic languages but the younger generations find it much easier to speak wolof.
Guy's as I already mentioned freedom of expression is healthy because it always us to debate on a wide range of issues. Debates don't need to degenerate into slagging matches. As i said before Gambia's diversity is its strength and in my view there is no need for discrimination in regards to ethnicity, and if there is in reality.
Then in my mind it needs to be discussed and eradicated.
After all Human Beings have more similarities than differences, and if the Ethnic card is to be used for political reasons as a means of divide and rule either by the incumbent or opposition then it has no place in Gambia's sustainable progressive development.
Now Guy's as you seem to be in the UK there is quite a lot of training and development courses available for those in and out of work to develop their soft-skills or to be able to debate on issues. If you weren't aware of such opportunities-available to you colleges enrol in September as they say you're never to old to learn!
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Dembish
Gambia
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Posted - 07 Aug 2009 : 23:06:29
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yes guys lets debate it maturely and not let us behave like the brainless president who is more a sh*t stirer than a leader.
Well I always can't take the notion that the jawara was tribalist, lookinfg at the position occupancy at the time ,there was a fairer share of all tribes in comparisons to jammehs regimes.
An its an indisputable fact that the mandinkas gave the thoughest time to Sir Dawda than any other tribe in the Gambia.the evidence is still on election results during the first republic.Bakau a predominantly mandika settlement was a NO HOPE AREA For PPP,likewise Baddibous and even Nuimi followed suit at the dying days of PPP.So can we compare those move to present day Foni where Yaya Jammeh has succeeded in brainwashing them tribally to an extend that oppositons are not allow to conduct political rallys in Foni and all goes unopposed since 2001 elections.Come on folks lets be sincere to our conscience and condemn rather than Condone yaya jammehs tribalistic attitude for the betterment of our dear montherland.I can remember an incident in Bakau when sir Dawda's entourage was met with a road block along the mile 7 way to prevent him from entering bakau,are those not mandinkas being unhappy with him as a president, will such happend in foni today against yaya jammeh? hell has to freeze first. |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 08 Aug 2009 : 01:56:44
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Dembish
Jawara's entourage also met with a blockade at Armitage in the 80's because of inadequate facilities there.
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Jangjang
Austria
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Posted - 08 Aug 2009 : 09:06:19
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Hi Nyarikangbana, I did not know when you were appointed the PA or spokesperson of Darboe. Any time Darboe is mentioned you seem to be uncomfortable and will jump on the person. Darboe is public property as far as he is in politics and the main opposition leader. For God's sake he is trying to be the next president of the Gambia. We do not want to have another Yaya Jammeh.
Sis Omega, I think you the worst form of a hypocrite. You meddle into things you know not. Tribal politics is the worst kind in Africa, and if you cannot put out the fire please do not inflame the situation. Please watch the film Hotel Rwanda and only then will you be able to understand what Jammeh is trying to provoke in the Gambia.
Gambia was not called the smilling coast of Africa because of the Atlantic ocean only but because of the cohesiveness of our society; tolerance between tribes and tolerance between faiths. We want to keep it that way but we are gradually loosing that under this Jammeh. We do not need people like you meddling in matters you will never understand. Try to deal with racism problems here in the UK, that might help Africans and Afro-caribeans more.
As for going to college, I am a qualified professional in my feild of study and educated to the highest level attainable here in the UK. I am not so-called doctor or professor.
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 08 Aug 2009 : 12:38:36
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"If there is hell Santa, rest assured that its hottest embers are reserved for you. Your hypocrisy know no bound and it just sickens me when you try to preach about morality and righteousness. You are a million times worse than the most die-hard Jammeh supporters in that you do not hesitate to put to the sword those who lay their lives against the Jammeh tyranny." Shaka
I guess you are after justice for Halifa again. If scrutinising an opposition politicians political actions equates to being a hypocrite and a man with sword, then yes don't look any where else mister bitter. But what is worrying in all this, is the opportunist affiliation you taken up with the sick Jammeh sympathisers. You lie in wait like a mental tiger, waiting for satala to irritate a party and then there shaka surface with his extremist Halifa wahala. i am getting scared now shaka. you need help.
am sure halifa welcomes constructive criticism, unless bigoted halifa fans like you and the Keba Foon's of this world know something the rest of us don't know about Halifa's real intentions. one word will do shaka, just say satala i don't want you to write anything about Halifa. i will suspend all future analysis of his political career. just say the word.
"Why do you always insult, slander and heap lies on good people and expect an ounce of respect from others? Are the people you like to insult not going to be accused again of political opportunism and expediency if they as much as dare to caution the Sheikh about inflaming tribalism with his irresponsible chatters on Gambia TV? At least most Jammeh follower don't support him because they hate his adversaries but your hatred and contempt for certain persons in Gambian politics is sick." shaka
again, the talk is in defense of Halifa. It will be good for Halifa to completely distant himself from the like of you. you scare people man. are you any different from the average green boy/girl?
It is no surprise you found the dictators words as mere chatter. for pdois fans like you, your real intentions are no secret. Jammeh siting on his fat backside vomiting nonsense against a whole community and you did not find anything wrong with that. no wonder you only thought his insults are chatter. go hang shaka.
ordinary analysis of Halifa's speeches and political action send you to hell, yet a more inappropriate blantant insult a whole community, you found that as chatter? no wonder jammeh is appealing to bigots like you.
In truth, there are decent, well meaning PDOIS supporters many Gambian can deal with, the likes of Kay, brikama, kobo, jangjang and many others. but the few of you with sad ill intention are making Halifa's politics unattractice daily.
"At least most Jammeh follower don't support him because they hate his adversaries but your hatred and contempt for certain persons in Gambian politics is sick. Not that you know what they are all about or what they stand but out of sheer ignorance you hate people who could potentially have risked their lives to save your own mother from the claws of witch hunters and other evil folks assigned by a desperate despot. You are sick man." shaka
I am not surprised you didn't find Jammeh's sick supporters as co-conspirators in his crimes. no one should.
As for your mother, i will not make any mention of her, neither your father or grand mum and dad. I respect them, no amount of political wrangle would let me mention them. But i can politely say that, Halifa would better off rescuing them than my mother. My mother is safe from Jammeh's claws, thanks for your concern. Yours on the other hand may not be. The sheik will pray that your fanaticism is cured and that you think on your own.
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shaka
It would be incomplete if the opportunity to launch Mr Sallah’s case bypasses you. It is legitimate for Gambians to express an opinion on the conduct of would be leaders. If this is seen negatively, it is for the supporters of those individuals to deal with. The actions of politicians should be scrutinise Shaka, i hope you are able to deal with that.
I have no problem if you convince yourself that i hate Halifa for being a politician. Now you explain, how did Halifa start his political career and what things did he do to reach where he is today?
Tell me yet again if expressing an opinion on Halifa’s adventure equals hate, how then should one make sense of his political activities? Do you wish me to wait for your capable analysis?
Halifa’s political activities or judgements plus that of other opposition politicians did not one bit stop or thwart Yaya Jammeh from oppressing Gambians neither slowed him down. So may be his adventure could have saved your mother, grand mama and dad from the witch hunting palaver, but not mine.
Yaya on the other wasn’t making any ordinary chatter, as you have phrased. He knows what he was doing. But then, why should you care about yaya’s negative remark against a whole community? What do you care about the Mandinkas any way.
I guess your blood only boils when a certain Mr Halifa Sallah get discuss. Please by all means defend Halifa, that is natural of sympathisers. But if anyone feels his balls are big enough to insult the Mandinkas, he can go hang.
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Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 08 Aug 2009 : 13:50:11
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Jangjang, you are probably aware of the fact that education is a life-long process. Therefore even if you have attained the highest proessional status in your field there is no need room for complacency. Yes, I do my bit for racial integration on a daily basis for immigrant communities right across the language divide here in the UK. I have also been actively involved in the African and African Caribbean communities in the field of Education for a long time. Yet I still have time for Gambia. Oh yes, I have watched Hotel Rwanda and know someone who is presently proceeds over the International court responsible for bringing the murders of the Rwandan genocide to justice.
Therefore I am fully aware of Ethnic cleansing having worked with communities from former Yugoslavia, and other Ethnic groups who have come from different parts of the world including DRC and have seeked Asylum in the UK.
Now let me clarify my stance on the issue of Tribalism as a divide and rule tactic I vehemently oppose it no matter where in the world it is. I embrace Global cultural diversity because it provides this world with a rich vibrant tapestry and without, which the world would be a very depressing place. Therefore my participation in this debate is not soley centred on one individual or political party.
If there are cracks within the social cohesion in Gambia don't you think it's better to identify them dig them out and fill them, in rather than papering over them? In other words confront the problems and find solutions to set them right.
Again I call for a mature debate on the issue none of us want a Rwanda, DRC, or Sierra Leone situation on our hands. What we want is improve situations on the ground where all Gambians have an equal opportunity to live in a peaceful prosperous Gambia. Don't you think that Gambians are mature enough to debate these issues without falling into the tribalist stereotype of in fighting? After all, when all the fighting and bloodletting is done as seen in the above countries different fractions have to sit around the negogiation table to agree a settlement, the victims and prepetrators have to reconcile their differences with many broken lives and needless killing to cope with. As Desmond Tutu once said were there is no peace without justice. No this is not a future legacy anyone wants for Gambia or anywhere else for that matter.
Ghana has been able to achieve a Democratic model whereby divergent views are represented and they are able to concentrate on nationbuilding. Why can't Gambia take a leaf out of her book?
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08 Aug 2009 : 15:49:10
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"If there are cracks within the social cohesion in Gambia don't you think it's better to identify them dig them out and fill them, in rather than papering over them? In other words confront the problems and find solutions to set them right."
Now then, Sister Omega,
Do you believe in that your fine statement or is it only a splash of colourful wording. To take it that you mean what you state, let's move on.
"The problem" D Problem in da Gambia is Yaya Jammeh. he was very much uncivil by taking guns to rob the nation in that forceful seizure of government power.
Here he goes, "I will rule Gambia for another 40 years"- Jammeh 'G'
For sake of decency, will you think that Mr Jammeh is right to seize power and now continue playing this hositle brutality on Gambians? Don't you still recognise D problem? We do.
Going by your formula: "In other words confront the problems and find solutions to set them right."
Are you ready to put in practice, your fine instrument of problem solution in tackilng the menace brought on Gambians by Mr Yaya Jammeh? |
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Jangjang
Austria
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Posted - 08 Aug 2009 : 16:41:46
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Many thanks, Sis Omega. I think we are almost on the same page now.
There were no cracks in the social cohesion of the Gambia under Jawara. They only started under jammeh. Tribalism was fun in the The Gambia then but it is now turning into bitterness.
Now will you condenm Jammeh for provoking tribal sentiments on national TV that threaten to split the country. What is he trying to archieve? |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08 Aug 2009 : 17:48:00
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karamba, I have no time or inclination to be playing games here unlike yourself. When it comes to inciting sedition and embellishing the truth you my friend win hands down. However ,those less fortunate to be Journalist by profession again gets the rough end of the stick. Whilst you peddle bigotry on line. Of course there are problems on the ground in regards to this issue raised above because of course ,if one group of people are pointed out in a negative light amongst others there will be offence. I suppose also if another group are traditionally seen to be a servile class there will also be problems caused by the vacuum of them no longer working in their traditional rules as was the case in Jawara's era. Many people are crying in the provinces today because they can't get maids, not so much in the Kombos where immigrants can fill the vacuum. Wihout discussion and continued steely silences and taboos these situations have time to fester which bodes well for a toxic environment.
Jangjang the joking relationship amongst tribes probably grew out of the wisdom of historical wars between them when they reached the consenus that social cohesion is better for peace and stability than warfare in such a small country.
Jangjang Jammeh is not anti- Mandinka he has noticed a pattern surrounding disappearences, and accusations made against him personally of being responsible for killing Gambians who all happen to be Mandinkas. He has acknowledged that many of his own Militants are mandinkas and only a fraction of the members of the opposition are Mandinkas as well as other Ethnic Groups. he has sourced the immigration for statistics.
In conclusion he states "And one should always ask yourself why is it that oh Yahya Jammeh is always accused of killing Mandinkas? What do I have against the Mandinkas when some of our strongest militants are Mandinkas? Is only a minority in the Mandinkos group that supports the opposition? But you also have opposition supporters from every tribe. But one has to look at it this way, why is it that 98% of all the illegal migrants who have been deported or repatriated are Mandinkas. That's the reality! And now they said yes, well released Chief Ebrima Manneh and compensate him US$100,000.How can we release somebody who is not arrested by us? "
The question remains where is Chief Manneh?
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