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Momodou
Denmark
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 Posted - 05 Aug 2009 : 10:42:57
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It is double standard when President Jammeh says that he is not tribalist and yet singles out one tribe in his recent interview on the GRTS on the eve of the 22 July Celebration.
The following is culled from FOROYAA on the disappearance of Journalist Chief Manneh where the president commented that 98% of deported illegal immigrants were Mandinkas. What is the point?
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FOROYAA Newspaper (Serrekunda)
Gambia: President Jammeh On Chief Manneh's Disappearance
Abdoulie G. Dibba
4 August 2009
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In his interview with Kebba Dibba published over the publicly owned GRTS television on the eve of July 22, President Jammeh dwelt into the issue of freedom of expression in The Gambia. He also made reference to an on going trial of journalists accused of sedition and defamation. In this edition, we will publish his comments on the disappearance of Chief Ebrima Manneh verbatim.
What hurts me most to be quite honest is this phenomenon of illegal migration. Am not a tribalist but I know there are tribes because I believe in creation? Tribe is just a culture and norm. But when you look at the statistics of people that are being deported at any given time, 98% of them are Mandinkas .When these people leave, they don't tell government. Government is not aware. And if they come out that they end up somewhere, then they come and say this person has disappeared, Yahya Jammeh has killed him.
But look from 1994 to date, 99% of those people who are deported are illegal immigrants or who were voluntarily repatriated by the IOM. 98% are all Mandinkos. Today they took us to court, West African court, and ECOWAS court for Ebrima Chief Manneh. All the people they said have disappeared are all Mandinkas. People who have vowed to overthrow my government. If I have to kill people, those are the people I should kill but they are in prison. But why would I kill a journalist like Manneh who was in fact the observer correspondent in my office. You understand the reason why they take him now, you see if you commit an offence as a so called journalist, you take it to court because they want to make sure that they use it and when they criticize you and some people take advantage of that and where they failed to have visa they leave and then they go out there, they end up in the sea.
They said oh because is a journalist, they said Yahya Jammeh killed him. Remember the case of Foday Makalo, they said we killed him. Foday Makalo was employed by us. He did a lot of things wrong and went to Dakar with our Gambian vehicle. When the vehicle was retrieved what they said, oh they killed him only for him to surface later in Spain. People have to understand that this country belongs to all of us and I am not expecting everybody to like me. If you dislike me I don't care but don't try to create a negative image of the country because that negative image also, if you think is going to affect Yahya Jammeh, you are making a great mistake. It is going to affect all the people in this country.
So why is it that all the people they said has been killed by the government are Mandinkas? When 99% of all these illegal migrants are all Mandinkas. That's the reality. Go to immigration or go to anywhere or in fact look at the IOM report of voluntary repatriated Gambians. They have a report. You look at that list. You go to immigration and find out from 1994 to date, all the people that have been deported, 98% are Mandinkas. So if they want to leave, am not preventing anybody from leaving but let them be honest enough to stay or say we want to leave. But to say, oh! this man has disappeared so Yahya Jammeh killed him so that anybody who wants to leave will have a visa. But look at all the people we are wrongly been accused of disappearing, there is somebody they called Kanyiba Kanyi I don't know.
They said he was arrested and is in custody somewhere or he has been killed. When we arrest people, we take them to court. Ousainou Darboe killed somebody, we took him to court, unfortunately western pressure on the judges, the case dragged on for a long time and it ended up still not being punished and he has been acquitted and discharged. Did we kill him? No! There are people sentenced to death, if they are justified why don't we kill them. And one should always ask yourself why is it that oh Yahya Jammeh is always accused of killing Mandinkas? What do I have against the Mandinkas when some of our strongest militants are Mandinkas? Is only a minority in the Mandinkos group that supports the opposition? But you also have opposition supporters from every tribe. But one has to look at it this way, why is it that 98% of all the illegal migrants who have been deported or repatriated are Mandinkas. That's the reality! And now they said yes, well released Chief Ebrima Manneh and compensate him US$100,000.How can we release somebody who is not arrested by us.
Source: http://www.foroyaa.gm/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3039
http://allafrica.com/stories/200908041018.html
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Santanfara
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Posted - 05 Aug 2009 : 12:09:59
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The point is, Yaya Jammeh continues to fear Mandinkas for no reason. He is trying to unite the other tribes behind his fail arguements, thus entrenching the tribal pusture he has always adopted. This is the most absurd and baseless statment i ever read from a president, if he qualify to be call one.
How can Ebrima Manneh run away and be quiet? Why would Ebrima Manneh emigrate and then a big meal is made out of that? I wonder who are his advisers? |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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mbay
Germany
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Posted - 05 Aug 2009 : 16:33:29
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Am bitty disappointed here.
Fact or fake, Yes he has problems with Mandikas most (what so ever) it would not be nice for a nation to expect this type of uttering from their head of state, particularly from African continent where tribalism is very sensitive as fuel and fire. |
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Dalton1
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Posted - 05 Aug 2009 : 20:18:21
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Hi Mawdo Momodou,
Greetings though with your long silence...and I cared to know why your appearance will start with this piece under the microscope. (: At least something else just now to avoid getting the temperature higher than observed.
FYI, the speech was uttered out of anger, jealousy and the usual 'puff-adder' sickness. As time permits me, I will honestly analyse this whole piece -inshallahu! We are beginning to see Jammeh under the heat of the furnace, and let him burn as far as I am concerned, because Gambians are fighting a just war.
My only advise to any, let this not mean a "retribution" on the Jolas or people of Foni after Jammeh is gone. We are all victims! We are all victims! It is just that his hypocritical stance and 'divide-n-rule' tendencies....and once he is done with a certain tribe, he move to the next, including his own tribes' men -the Jolas.
Besides, as far as I can attest, his piece is full of inaccuracies.
1. an investigative journalist confided with me that Chief manneh was last seen in sareh ghai police station. he was also arrested at the daily observer premisies.
2. the circumstances surrounding kanyiba are known so Jammeh cannot cook tales for us....so let him eat his meal.
Kind regards,
Dalton
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"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05 Aug 2009 : 23:38:16
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Come on Guys ,let's be honest the July 22 Rev turned the Gambia class system upside down period. This system placed the Mandinkas and Aku's on top and the other Ethnic Groups further down the bottom now that's history. Obviously there are a lot of disgruntled and disenfranchised bitter people who lost out on their person fortunes and that of their heirs, to honestly hate Jammeh with a vengeance. Then obviously the majority of the country whether they be Mandinka or any other group were not of the Elite and were in the poor Majority supported the revolution. As Gambia is not fractionalized amongst Ethnic lines and there is more cohesion between other Ethnic Groups the Tribal divide and rule card is not at play in today's regime as was once the case in colonial times and in the First Republic. Gambia's ethnic diversity is its cohesive force with more people coming from mixed backgrounds as from distinctive Ethnic backgrounds, which make up a rich cultural tapestry of the nation.
We are also aware of the fact that opposition main arena and propaganda apparatus is via the internet feeding its conspiracy stories to be filtered on to the ground and distributed amongst the populous as truths, and that they are being funded by the EU to do that. Yes, we've seen that the disappeared have turned up in Spain and it's quite feasible for some to be lost at sea or even in the Sahara trying to escape to the west.
We have people purporting to be Journalists who are Opposition leaders for example when Darboe went to Amnesty Internationa , did he actually say he was the Leader of the UDP? No! you will find he was just an ordinary member of the opposition. In Amnesty international report Deydrah Hydara was shot in 2005N no he was shot in 2004.
Now I don't see in the report where Jammeh has repeatedly called for the Judiciary to get its act together to speed up their trials and fast forward bail proceedings. I don't see the police actually following through to charge people with the offences they've been committed with. I don't see the opposition acting on the ground trying to defend these people mentioned in the Amnesty International Report either. It just seems that Amnesty International istrusting the integrity of those mentioned in the report to tell the truth. However it would be much better ,if Amnesty checked out these allegations themselves to see how true they are.
Amnesty International failed to mention the Gambian Amnesty of 2001 when the opposition was allowed into the country giving them the opportunity to come out of enforced exile amongst them Jawara himself. Amnesty International doesn’t make mention how Jammeh helped to brokerage peace in Serria Leone and Guinea Bissau being fractions around the negotiating table.
Peace
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Dalton1
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Posted - 06 Aug 2009 : 08:38:09
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quote:
Originally posted by Dalton1
FYI, the speech was uttered out of anger, jealousy and the usual 'puff-adder' sickness. As time permits me, I will honestly analyse this whole piece -inshallahu! We are beginning to see Jammeh under the heat of the furnace, and let him burn as far as I am concerned, because Gambians are fighting a just war.
ANALYSIS PART ONE
To start with, one must condemn to the highest levels Jammeh's hypocrisy, arrogance and directive language of bigotry to a certain tribe. He is wrong to generalize things and equally wrong to single out only the Mandinkas. His utterances are tribal and they have a tendency to incite hatred, violence, retribution and create an unstable atmosphere.
[http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7893 ]
With the kind of utterances, since "tribalism" can be only perceived in words and deeds, and if this is to go by, we can conclude that Jammeh is a tribalist -big time! Jammeh succeeded in demeaning a certain tribe...and without an iota of shame,... and this is done openly on TV, supposedly on Satellite for the whole world to see.
Again, no one would like to be belittled and demoralized like he did. It is a shame on him! Jammeh doesn't have any liberty to use such directive language on anyone..no power other than the state power he is abusing...and if someone else uses the same words on him, I bet such individuals will be like "the Jambur Four" or yet still "the 7 Gambian journalists" being persecuted for no just reason. With his utterance above, he was venting out his fears and complexities...probably his fetish nature perceives that a change in administration is neigh! History always repeats itself. The phaoroh of Egypt failed, and as such Jammeh will fail in his witch hunting spree against innocent people. It is for the same reason that he ousted Sheriff Deno Hydara of Wassadung...instead of people seeing Jammeh's tribal and terror acts as coming from the Jola tribe or Foni (Ditto: previous Postings), it should be seen as a Jammeh doing....and his accomplices (which constitutes people of all Gambian tribes.)
The conclusion on part one is that Jammeh is fighting his inferior complex mind....he thinks he is being belitted...where as he expected to be seen as an idol -a demon! He tried anything and everything but no! People are really firm in their knowledge about him. In fact, this is why Jammeh takes all titles ranging from professor all the way to Jammeh.Jammeh's tactics are scary. It is called hypocrisy at its best, or yet still 'divide-n-rule.' While he is dealing with one tribe, it will take him another second to get to another tribe...including his own. The directive insults above are on all of us whether you tribe is mentioned yet or in-line to be mentioned soon. Dictators are so good at seeking attention...from HIV Aids cure, to Ashthma, to witch craft, etc....mere banana meal! And they are cowards too who cannot stand even the noise that comes from the shoes they are wearing...and I say to you Jammeh, since you choose to be a dictator and an oppressor...live with whatever comes with it...All is certain, if he can openly despise, hate and condemn a tribe like he did, he will do anything and everything to try to silence them...hence his battle against the media.
Part two (Chief Manneh) & three (Kanyibaa) will follow-possibly more...
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"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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Santanfara
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Posted - 06 Aug 2009 : 10:53:46
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Thanks dalton for that fantastic analysis. There is no need to respond to the irresponsible comments by the nonsense Jammeh sympatiser. If the Jolas were tagegted and single out during Jawaras era, Jammeh wouldn't have been a leautinant in the army let alone a state guard close to Jawara treated like one of his household. the man is bitter for nothing. But as dalton said, we in the Gambia shall not turn on each becus a mad man tries to instigate tribal war. He cannot achieve that.
the gambian tribes have been travelling well before Jammeh was conceived his mother's womb. People emmigrate but never forget their country, and Gambians always return home to enhance the development and assist in educating others. Left to Jammeh only his bais scholarships to his tribe's men will continue. But after 15 years of fail polices, more Fulas, mandinka, wollof and others are educating themselves and not needing his jobs to make life better for themselves. this are the bitterness he is feeling.
no one will beg him for nothing. let him continue dishing our national debt to passersby. time will tell.
Jammeh's time has fermented and created more crooks than ever before. then corrupt official share, now they don't for fear of jealous tell tales. Jammeh's strangle hold on Gambia's economy, press, politics and business made it such that, the Gambia will continue to be rescue by Imf year after year and only God knows what the future holds.
Jammeh will fail in pitching tribes against each other. he has been trying it for a long time, but he continue to fail. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Momodou
Denmark
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Posted - 06 Aug 2009 : 12:16:31
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Gambian language groups have been living together with mutual understanding and respect for each other's traditional norms and values and will not be fooled by any one with evil intentions of creating ethnic tensions.
All groups are equally faced with the same hardship when it comes to meeting the basic needs.
Sister O, I have seen the interview LIVE during my recent visit and it had been repeatedly broadcasted on the National Television and Radio Services (GRTS) at least more than once. What was more hypocritical is the fact that he concluded his 22nd July Celebration speech by condemning tribalism just a day after the interview where he uttered those words about Mandinkas.
He is President of all Gambians and it was unfortunate for him to use his position to castigate one language group on the national television.
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Jack
Belgium
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Posted - 06 Aug 2009 : 12:28:55
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tnx Dalton but dont exagerate on the satelite thing :
read this :
"GRTS is transmitting on C-band while all modern satelite broadcasting is done on KU-band now.Those people living in europe/west have nearly zero chance in receiving this signal because it require very large disc.
To get C-band signal from GRTS -you need atleast 2M diameter disc, while you can get senegal, mali, angola with 60 cm diameter disc.
Another problem in getting GRTS in the west, it is locate on 18.o W while most satelite in europe are between 28.0 E and 1.0E
I doubt if there is anyone living in Europe now and is getting GRTS!
It would have been simpler to broadcast on same satellite as senegal and mali 7.0 E or 28.0 E......also broadcast on KU-Band."
I checked this info and its seems to be correct. So satelite broadcasting from GRTS is just another 'showing of' thing. |
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Momodou
Denmark
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Posted - 06 Aug 2009 : 12:34:11
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quote:
Originally posted by Jack
tnx Dalton but dont exagerate on the satelite thing :
..... So satelite broadcasting from GRTS is just another 'showing of' thing.
Many were surprised when I told them that I have not seen or heard any person in Europe who gets GRTS on satelite. |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06 Aug 2009 : 12:58:46
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I honestly think the President should have left tribal issues completely out of his speeches. This is because it is quite sensitive. And he should be seen as a unifier of the diverse people of the Gambia. The stats of immigrants maybe correct BUT inappropriate in the context he used them. And i dnt believe Chief Manneh could be one of those misguided boys who take the perilous back way route to fortress Europe. I am not saying that Chief could be in their custody but its the government's responsibility to see to it that all Gambians and non-Gambian resident in the The Gambia are safe.
He have scored a point though , that's the wild speculations about disappearances that are later proven to be untrue. The case in point is that of Foday Makalo.
To conclude , i prefer to live in Jammeh's Gambia than Jawara's. |
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Edited by - MADIBA on 06 Aug 2009 12:59:44 |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 07 Aug 2009 : 08:40:41
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| Should we be surprise that Madiba is yet again siting on the fense even in potential civil unrest statemens? hell no. Madiba, you have proven to be a Jammeh ego massager. Even if the stastics are true, there are ways and means of a president making such key note speeches. If one is to stand and start making ill comments on a section of the population, who should try to stop such action? if such person himslef goes on Tv and attack the mandingkas and you are finding words to dress that up as what? go to hell brother. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07 Aug 2009 : 13:45:28
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Santafara,
I was speaking to those members of bantaba worth speaking to. The bright ones. Not those desperately trying to be relevant. Look go back to school. That will polish you better. Empty rambling doesn't make one an intellectual.
You are a non-entity, so NOT worth factoring in.
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07 Aug 2009 : 15:05:24
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Hi Madiba, we talk about freedom of expression a lot here on the bantabaa and although you're right that matters concerning ethnicity or race are sensitive subjects doesn't mean that they shouldn't be discussed from time to time. Really, if there are indeed underlying tensions on these matters then in the long-term isn't it better to have debates to address them and find better ways forward for cohesion? There is no point having the motto of "the smiling coast" if indeed what it stands for is hypocrisy.
Mabida don't you think that Gambians are mature enough as a nation to debate these issues in a peaceful candid manner reaching a consensus that despite ethnicity or race that the most important common denominator is being Gambian Citize?.
What say you?
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buba
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Posted - 07 Aug 2009 : 15:47:52
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Sister Omega, i think it has to be stressed that any freedom of expression without responsibility is blanket, and as such, is dangerous, divisive and in most cases, self-centered.
Any discussion on race, nationality, religion, tribe (ethnicity), etc have to be treated with care. For a specific tribe to be continuously blamed and name-called for all the woes is not conducive for a fair debate...please take it from me (if you will) my dear sister, this tactic is someone's survival strategy; don't ask me who? |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 07 Aug 2009 : 16:05:53
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quote:
Originally posted by MADIBA
Santafara,
I was speaking to those members of bantaba worth speaking to. The bright ones. Not those desperately trying to be relevant. Look go back to school. That will polish you better. Empty rambling doesn't make one an intellectual.
You are a non-entity, so NOT worth factoring in.
Bye
As if that will affect me. You the scholar, i tell you what, your intelligence hasn't in any way project any dicussion here that folks can spot your position. It is always the bendy fact twisting that you are good at.
Be brave and acknowledge your support for a murderer and oppressor. If exposing your closet hypocrciy pains you, so be it. The likes of you are the ones prolonging and giving the unwarranted benefit of doubt to a drench mental paranoid man. Now lets hear what you have to say in the case of foroyaa journalist jailed for no crime at all. Is the Gambia still a country where media freedom exist scholar Madiba?
I wonder why your brilliance doesn't show in your analysis of crimes in the Gambia. I wonder. Again if you back yaya for insulting the Mandinkas, i say to you again, go to hell. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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