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turk
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 Posted - 29 Mar 2009 : 10:49:53
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Gambia, there is not such thing as modern day christianity. God did not send you another message to change the rules. Things are same. Mormons have polygamy in usa. In christianity, divorce is not allowed. You need to get special permission in order to divorce.
Christianity is just being applied to modern day. It is just fitting the current capitalism/secular life style/pop culture. There is nothing wrong with that. It is just make the religion be a man-made value system. But that is ok.
You are right about Gambian observation.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 29 Mar 2009 : 14:07:33
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A father told his son;
-Don’t put your hand in the lion’s mouth
- It is not my right-hand but my left-hand, replied the son.
In Gambia …
Perhaps most men in the coast …..
But in the villages polygamy is still common place
In Tedaba, for example …
The based-on-fact content of Bevs post is;
Many of the fishermen she met in Tendaba (one village), though poor had more than one wife and many children.
The question is why would Bev choose to formulate herself this way; “…at the coast perhaps most men only have one wife, but in the villages polygamy is still common place.”
My father is not a fisherman but lives in a village and has only one wife, my mom. My aunt is the only wife of her husband, my sister is her husband’s only wife and they all live in a village.
Bevs sympathy for the family and children is human but does not give her the right to judge them or makes her a better human being or correct in her judgment.
Lastly, similar to the technological solutions like surrogate motherhood, insemination, religion is not the only motive or reason for polygamy; it is sometimes motivated by social, economical or physiological reasons - traditionally.
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Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29 Mar 2009 : 17:48:32
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Polygamy makes sense in some social situations. In situations where women out number men greatly and are unable to be economically independent.
Janko I saw the accounts in Tendaba for the fishermen. Most of them had more than one wife. That is a fact.
My understanding of Islam is that men are only allowed more than one wife if they can care for them well. In Tendaba the majority of people are incredibly poor. Having 4 wives and 20 children doesn't help that situation.
I envisage that as women get better educated and more economic freedom the need for polygamy will decline.Personally I think that is a good thing.
Janko, just for the record. I dont think I am a better human being than the people I meet in the Gambian villages. I try to have empathy and compassion. I try to imagine being those women with their lives.
They have a very hard life physically and emotionally. But the positive in it all is the friendship and support amongst the women. In the uk we are all very isolated when we are raising our children. In Gambia the children really are raised by the village and I think that is really wonderful. |
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Babylon
Sweden
691 Posts |
Posted - 29 Mar 2009 : 19:13:28
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Originally posted by snuggels
A thread taken from another forum and some of the replies.
Interesting..........
Which forum did you quote these texts from? Seems like a very interesting forum... |
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mansasulu
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Posted - 29 Mar 2009 : 20:55:15
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Originally posted by turk
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Yes the Quran gave men the right to marry more than one wife, but most men forget or conveniently ignore that all rights come with responsibilities.
Anyway... You said Quran gave men the right to marry. Your claim is not entirely right. It is a grey area..........
Turk, you seem to be a bit confused and I wonder why. I said the quran gave men the right to marry up to four wives and for some reason you left the four wives part and just stopped at marry.
Since you appear inable to find "references" to support your reasoning or the lack thereof, I refer you to Sura Nisa, ayat 3 below as far as the right to marry four wives is concerned.
And if ye fear that ye will not deal fairly by the orphans, marry of the women, who seem good to you, two or three or four; and if ye fear that ye cannot do justice (to so many) then one (only) or (the captives) that your right hands possess. Thus it is more likely that ye will not do injustice.
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"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 29 Mar 2009 : 22:15:43
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Mansa
Here is a link (it is one perspective explaining the marriage with up to 4 wives) that may help you understand the position I am. My position is 'getting married with 4 wives is not an order for us to do. Or it is not a general right. It is more like right as exception. It is comes with strings attached. It is not encouraged to do.
Isn't the real issue that some of muslim men think this is as a 'right' and ignore the 'strings attached'.
http://answering-christianity.com/polygamy.htm |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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snuggels
960 Posts |
Posted - 30 Mar 2009 : 02:30:51
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Babylon
"Which forum did you quote these texts from? Seems like a very interesting forum..."
The texts were copied from a forum on a dating site which I subscribe to.
I use the same I.D as I use here. So it could soon be sussed out who I am and see all my personal details which are for the people who suscribe to that site and that site only.
So as this is not a dating site. Im sorry I cant tell you the name of the website. Obviously there will be thoes on here that wont see it like that. But I can assure you nothing was added or taken away in the texts. But it has lead to a very interesting thread and thats what this site is about. So I thank you all to a very interesting debate |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 30 Mar 2009 : 15:17:34
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| Turk, I am not saying it is an "order" all I am saying is that it is a right. The Quran itself encourages us to marry one if we fear that marrying four will lead us to do injustice. At the same time, because some men abuse the right, does not give anybody, society, or nation (particularly muslim nations) the right to restrict or out law marrying more than one wife, like some muslim countries have done. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 31 Mar 2009 : 09:41:50
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In Nigeria, islamic officials told a husband, a certain Mr. Masaba, 85, to divorce from 82 of his 86 wives and 'keep' only four. He refuses, and so do his wives. As a German magazine wrote: 'Many of these women have good jobs. They, too, want to stay with him - that way they know where they belong, and there is a husband who doesn't disturb much'... 
A polygamous marriage like this is probably much different from our Western marriages...  |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 31 Mar 2009 : 15:49:51
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"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
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Posted - 18 May 2009 : 23:39:57
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Snuggels why are you a Racist fire starter ? |
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