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Karamba
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fee_sweetie
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 15 Feb 2009 : 03:12:53
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| I personally believe he should be prosectued, and if not him then both parents of the boy and the girl. We as parents have an obligation not only to our children but to society to bring up our off springs with decent morals, respect for elders, laws and rules, respect for themselves and one another, well educated etc....I could go on......Bottomline is there are Laws for a reason. These children should've be taught- by the parents and the schools not only about sex education but about SAFE sex. |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 15 Feb 2009 : 04:36:15
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fee sweetie
There is no legal ground to prosecute him or his family. It is true that parents have obligations you mention but that is not legal obligation, it is expected by the socity, but it is not a legal obligation. There are no laws for this case. the boay had a one night stand, now he is a daddy. Move on.
This happen because, society, government or parents failed, but there is no legal base for the prosecution.
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 15 Feb 2009 : 14:29:41
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Parents are being fined in UK for truancy of their children. If that is because parents are deemed responsible for the wrong conduct of their children, the weight of same laws will be appropriate resting on the heads of those parents who allow their children engage in unprotected sex leading to further reckless child bearing.
Parents of these two children need taking responsibility whatever that means. |
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 15 Feb 2009 : 15:26:40
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Originally posted by turk
fee sweetie
..........It is true that parents have obligations you mention but that is not legal obligation, ................There are no laws for this case.
This happen because, society, government or parents failed..
the way your're putting it, we might be failing in this bantaba as well if we think its acceptable for a 15 yr old to be a mother?
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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
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Posted - 15 Feb 2009 : 18:40:54
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How on earth can anyone blame the Kiddies parents,They did not had their business in front of their parents.Do you really think their poor family would like them to have baby at this age?He may not be the father of the baby after all.
Sunday, 15 February 2009
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Boy may not be baby's father
© ITN 2009
Teenager Alfie Patten may not been a father at 13 after all, amid allegations that the mother has had several other sexual partners, it has been reported.
The case of Alfie - who was just 12 when the baby was conceived - has already provoked a fierce political debate over the high rate of teenage pregnancies in the UK and the sexualisation of children.
But two other teenagers believe they may have fathered six-day old Maisie, whose mother Chantelle Steadman is herself just 15.
Richard Goodsell, 16, told a Sunday paper that he also shared a bed with the teenager at her home in Eastbourne, East Sussex, at around the time she became pregnant.
Richard, a trainee chef, said: "I know I could be the father. Everyone thinks I am. My friends all tell me that the baby has my eyes - even my mum thinks so.
"Even Chantelle's mum asked me if I was the father."
He added: "If I am the father, I have the right to know."
Richard, who told the paper he slept with Chantelle with the consent of her parents and without using any contraception, said he plans to demand a DNA test is carried out to find out the truth.
Chantelle lives with her mother, Penny, and father, Steve, in a council house on the Old Town estate.
Tyler Barker, 14, also told the paper he could have fathered Maisie, born at the Eastbourne District General Hospital last week.
He said he slept with Chantelle around nine months ago, again in her own bed.
Both boys and their parents are reported to have made sworn statements in front of a solicitor detailing their encounters with Chantelle. |
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lurker
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Posted - 15 Feb 2009 : 19:19:55
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it tells you something when the two main headlines from the whole of the planet earth in the popular sundays are.
1) super chav slag has baby by 12 yr old or is it the 15 yr old or is it the 16 yr old?
2) self-made media-whore jade goody , butt of all jokes , totem of everything wrong with the UK, now pays for her kids education from the income of them phtographing/filming her dying months . real reality tv. same stars.
These nobodys should never be given airtime in the first place. You cannot blame them for lapping up the pounds if some ***** wants to pay them for their neanderthal behaviour.How low can we go? ( a new game show?)
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Santanfara
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Posted - 15 Feb 2009 : 19:54:20
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| I doubt the little boy i show on TV yesterday can father the baby. He looks too young. i mean he was asked some question, i couldn't wait for his answers. the parents should not be blames too much, the authorities have given so much rights to kids, they now dictate in many households. lurker, sensationalism makes money and amuze people. |
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lurker
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Posted - 15 Feb 2009 : 20:00:13
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yep, but how long before the cloak of this "amusement" is pulled away to reveal a society fractured beyond repair, with generations of idio-ts breeding generations of even bigger ones?
children echo their parents and their role models!!! |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 15 Feb 2009 : 20:32:19
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njucks
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the way your're putting it, we might be failing in this bantaba as well if we think its acceptable for a 15 yr old to be a mother?
come again!
Lurker has a great point.
Me thinks no need to prosecute anyone, this is not a legal case. It is social problem where the society has failed as a whole.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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fee_sweetie
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 Feb 2009 : 00:31:03
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http://www.youthinformation.com/Templates/Internal.asp?NodeID=90264
last tim e i checked it was illegal to have sex under the age of 16 |
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Formby
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 Feb 2009 : 01:11:40
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I was just speaking about this today. When I was young we got smacked by the in loco parentis (teachers, 'uncles' 'aunties' anyone who was older in the village) and if we got smacked by them, we got smacked again when we got home by mum or dad for causing trouble. I grew up quite polite and I certainly knew how to defer. We're doing the youth a real dis-service by not teaching them manners.
Half the problem is errent men who won't father properly. Young boys NEED fathers. They need to be afraid of someone who is firm but fair. The main problem with western society nowadays is that men won't do their duty as fathers. So we have ferral young men whom nobody can control. |
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Momodou
Denmark
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Posted - 16 Feb 2009 : 10:46:49
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13 year olds are going to be parents in Denmark too within the next two months. The father was only 12 when the mother became pregnant.
Last year, 995 children had teenage mothers in Denmark.
http://jp.dk/indland/article1603318.ece [Danish]
http://jp.dk/uknews/article1603969.ece [English] |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 16 Feb 2009 : 11:31:14
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sorry fee. You have valid link confirming what you say but it is kind of funny.
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Men over the age of 10 can be prosecuted for having sexual intercourse or any other kind of sexual activity with a girl under 16.
Since when 10 years old considered to be a 'man'. Further if a '10 years old' man have sex with 16 years old 'girl' that is a crime. Imagine, your little one has 7 years to became a man! Doesn't it sound funny?
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A girl under 16 could be prosecuted herself for having sexual activity if the other boy or girl involved is under 16.
This confuses even more. Previous quote or this quote. Which one get presecuation because both states girl under 16 and boy over 10, are they victim or guilty? Which one is guilty and victim?
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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kaanibaa
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 Feb 2009 : 15:49:30
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| This I believe is based upon the presumption of Law that a child that is under a certain age cannot be deemed to have consented to a sexual act and so any such act by a person of a higher age could be deemed to have had unlawfully done so. So if the age limit for men is set at ten this holds good for person(s) having such a relationship with him and in the case of a girl I assume the age of consensual sex if set under sixteen any act so consummated with her would be illegal.Laws are made by men and set within certain legal parameters to avoid any ambiguity in interpretation etc so that when it comes to dealing with matters that fall within the stipulated definitions , they can be prosecuted in courts of law using the settings so stipulated to determine whether or not an offense had been committed.Responsibility of parents in caring for their offspring is I think at times sidelined by too much of interference by certain societal norms and practices , including among others government legislation on parenting guidelines or about what parents can or cannot do with their children. Smacking and other minor disciplinary moves at times get legal shackles around them as at times such acts can be deemed criminal. The kids ultimately get away with a lot of mischievous acts and the parents thus left helpless in the equation. Others though simply abdicate their parental obligations and let the kids do what ever pleases them just as base animals do, not caring a hoot what they do good or bad.That is a major problem facing people in the west as I can observe within my immediate circle as well as without the same said circle. |
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