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mansasulu
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 Posted - 29 Oct 2008 : 14:15:54
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http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/451.html
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"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 29 Oct 2008 : 16:16:46
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| mansasulu, very interesting. who said prejudice is dead? |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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faderabraham
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Posted - 29 Oct 2008 : 16:52:55
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THIS WAS VERY MOVING VIDEO IT SHOWS THE TRUTH OF SOCIETY
THANKYOU FOR POSTING THIS MANSASULU |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 29 Oct 2008 : 19:57:10
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| Thanks to Momodou for the actual video. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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Hiz Princess
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29 Oct 2008 : 23:22:31
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Bravo to the people that had the courage to speak out.
If only more people would. |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 30 Oct 2008 : 08:41:17
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This is more that prejudice, it is discrimination and it is unlawful in America. There will always be people like this shop owner (and I have met some of them myself), but I believe they are a small minority. There are certainly more people like the ones who spoke out against the discrimination and walked out.
Discrimination is unlawful in the U.S. and someone like this businessman is likely to find himself out of business very soon ... |
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musa pembo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30 Oct 2008 : 15:32:22
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Thanks mansasulu for sharing this thought-provoking video.I beg to differ from you all.Yes,there is a case of prejudice and certainly of DISCRIMINATION in the attitude of the shop-owner,but may I asked who started the chain reaction if it was not us Muslims in 9/11 attacks in America and London 7/7 attacks.Obviously,a small number of wicked,evil people who have strayed from the path of God have caused us this problem of trust,perception and hatred in the minds of ordinary people.Before this incident,thousands of students were able to enter Universities in America,with just One year School fees and a price of an air ticket,and then,they would work their way through University by working part-time to finance their studies.Then came 9/11,all these priviledges were withdrawn and the Government took stringent measures to protect their citizens as that is the first and foremost duty of any Responsible and Representative Government.
We must therefore remember that each and every one of us are Ambassador of our religion,the way we talk,behave and interact with other people is bound to enhanced our position or placed us at a disadvantage,This is just what is happening at the moment in Europe and America.The challenge is for us muslims in these areas to change perception/minds of how others sees us.
The group of Americans who stood up for the lady must be congratulated for their foresight and humanity,at least they were matured enough to know that not all muslims are terrorists and that they can be partriotic as well.
Just musing...
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 31 Oct 2008 : 09:03:28
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| Musa, this has nothing to do with 911. This shop owner is just an *****, may be his bigotry is not limited to Muslim women only. The fact is that he has opened a shop (most likely through a business license) with the agreement to serve the PUBLIC ( not just some part of the public). The woman did not do anything in the tape to warrant a denial of service to her-I do not see how she could be connected to 911. She is an American citizen with good spoken English; if this man sincerely think she is a terrorist why didn't he call law enforcement (police)? But no, he prefers to abuse the innocent young lady based on some primitive prejudice rooted in ignorance. That is just what bigots do; it reminds of Jim Crow ... |
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anna
Netherlands
730 Posts |
Posted - 31 Oct 2008 : 09:15:46
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| Kay, don't be harsh on the shopkeeper - he is just playing a part. Both he and the muslima customer are actors. The thing to watch out for is the reaction of the other customers, which is in some cases painful and shameful. You can see from their faces when they are being questioned by the interviewer that they know themselves they are in the wrong. But this is how some people react unfortunately, both in your country and mine. |
When an old African dies, it is as if a whole library has burnt down.
Amadou Hampate Ba (Mali) |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 31 Oct 2008 : 09:29:43
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| Okay I heed your advice Anna. I am an ardent opponent of terrorists and terrorism, but i cannot stand an innocent person being abused and taken advantage of. The shop owner's conduct is unlawful, atleast by the evidence we have seen on the tape ... |
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anna
Netherlands
730 Posts |
Posted - 31 Oct 2008 : 09:43:01
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i hope all of us here are ardent opponents of terrorism and terrorists, Kay. Of course the shopkeeper's behaviour is unlawful, but this guy is not REAL, he is an actor (at least that is what it says before this shocking video starts). Perhaps he's a nice guy in his free time, maybe the girl is not a muslim at all. This video was made to see how the real customers would react to these scenes. Well, we saw it and we were ashamed.
Thanks Mansasula, for showing us this video. Very shocking, but i am afraid this is the reality! |
When an old African dies, it is as if a whole library has burnt down.
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 31 Oct 2008 : 10:03:45
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Originally posted by anna
i hope all of us here are ardent opponents of terrorism and terrorists, Kay. Of course the shopkeeper's behaviour is unlawful, but this guy is not REAL, he is an actor (at least that is what it says before this shocking video starts). Perhaps he's a nice guy in his free time, maybe the girl is not a muslim at all. This video was made to see how the real customers would react to these scenes. Well, we saw it and we were ashamed.
Thanks Mansasula, for showing us this video. Very shocking, but i am afraid this is the reality!
Very true Anna, but that is often the problem with behavior of groups. The main actor's behavior is often transferrable (Freudian transference perhaps) to the behavior of the other members of the group. Some of the members quickly identify themselves with the cause of the main actor as we have seen in the video.
It is however good that the video is an acting ... |
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anna
Netherlands
730 Posts |
Posted - 31 Oct 2008 : 10:19:02
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Thing is with this kind of videos that they always make me think how i would react myself when i would step into this shop and (not knowing it is a play)watch this scene.
Would i speak up for the girl and demand that the shopkeeper sell her what she wants to buy, threathening him with police etc. (which is what i would have to do) or would i think 'oh hell, i just popped in for a quick errand, i can't be bothered, let's get out of here and buy a bread somewhere else'. It could be this last reaction  because i am always in a hurry. Then, coming home with my bread from the 'good' baker, i would feel very guilty. What would you do, seeing also that there are other customers giving the shopowner the thumbs-up?? |
When an old African dies, it is as if a whole library has burnt down.
Amadou Hampate Ba (Mali) |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 31 Oct 2008 : 10:28:46
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| You know I do not trust my own feelings, it will depend on a lot of variables. But the bystanders are not ultimately responsible for what happened, it is the shop owner. There is extensive research that tends to indicate that people (especially bystanders)across the cultures are not very helpful in this kind of situations ... |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 31 Oct 2008 : 14:07:19
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| Kay, if anything the role of the actors is the only staged "behaviour." Therefore, the bystanders who are focus of the act, particularly those who said nothing or supported the "fake shop owner" may not be responsible for what happened but didn't do anything to stop the injustice. I am not worried by the ones who supported the the shop owner, rather I am worried by 22 people who said or did nothing. That is why I titled it the silent majority. If we use the standrads of the Good Samaritan Laws, we could prosecute them! |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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Formby
United Kingdom
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Posted - 31 Oct 2008 : 17:26:18
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No, one can not prosecute people for doing nothing. The moral tenet of Voltaire (was it?) says that 'all that is necessary for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing' but the law has to be different. People have their own reasons for not intervening. Had this happened in the UK, in particular London, I bet the number of people who didn't get involved would be higher. I am not suggesting in any way that it is the morally right course of action, just that people can have a tendency to mind their own business. But I think Gambians are very different. I am reminded of a time some years ago when a Gambian friend got involved in an argument with a cabman which looked like coming to blows. I was minded to leave them to it but Gambians thought I was mad and rushed in to cool the situation (or take sides, I don't know, my mandinka wasn't good enough to follow the events).
In any case, the recent rash of Youtube clips leading up to the American elections has demonstrated that a significant number of a certain type of Americans hears the word 'Muslim' and recoils. It's a convenient replacement for the 'commie red', now that they are no longer the 'enemy'. It seems that a certain type of person just needs someone, anyone, to hate. Why, I don't know, but that is a shame. |
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