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MeMe
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 28 Sep 2008 : 20:27:52
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Well said, Snuggels ... some people  (in Sweden!) need to get over the big chip on their shoulder!! Or actually read the posts before trying to comment   |
It is better to die standing than to live on your knees - Ernesto Guevara de la Serna |
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Babylon
Sweden
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Posted - 28 Sep 2008 : 23:57:12
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Originally posted by MeMe
Well said, Snuggels ... some people (in Sweden!) need to get over the big chip on their shoulder!! Or actually read the posts before trying to comment
Or perhaps you should learn how to keep your big mouth shut instead rappin granny!  |
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Babylon
Sweden
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Posted - 29 Sep 2008 : 00:18:33
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Originally posted by snuggels
Babylon
So let’s look at your analysis of thing haven’t read all the posts in this thread but........
Of course there is racism in Gambia just like everywhere else in this world, but for you it is such a big shock because you have never experienced racism yourself before and maybe you never expected anyone to discrimate you because usually it never happens since you ARE WHITE.... and therefore priviliged maybe even in your own eyes and sense..?
Allow me to laugh a little at your sillyness if you think racism is little black kids throwing stones at you calling you the worst word you have ever heard: TOUBAB!
Please that is just ridiculous! ... Why do you go to Gambia anyway if you cant stand it?
You who think people hate you because you are white, maybe they just hate you because you´re so ugly? Not becuase you´re white.
Sorry my rudeness, but the white old ladies that rule this african forum really brings out the worst in me.
Why must you think you are the rulers of the world whereever you go?
.. well because that is the typical caucasian mentality of course!
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turk
USA
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Posted - 29 Sep 2008 : 01:47:20
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babylon. while you admit there is racism in gambia like everywhere else? I still don't get your position against the racism in gambia. Seems like you believe following in summary
- It is ok while you have not read all the points here about racism. You already know and expert on racism because your name is babylon.
- If africans don't like whites or hate whites, that is not considered to be racism. If a white comes up and says "I hate blacks", that is considered to be racism.
- You are not a man. You are not a black. You are furious. You are white. You are a woman.
- Than, big shift from your original position and state that there is racism in gambia like everywhere else.
- You also stated that toubab experience the racism they had never experience before. It is quite impossible white to be discriminated in europe as they are white living in white dominated society. But at the same time, whites living in Gambia as a minority without any power would be same, there should not be any discrimination.
- WHites think they are priviliged they should not face racism in gambia. So they should stop talking about racism.
- People should shut up their big mouth.
- People hate others not only based on race, also based on age and ugliness.
- White old ladies can't not complain about racism.
- White old ladies rule bantaba.
- THis is typical cacausian mentality
- Most important you are sorry for being rude.
Am I right?
p.s. I will nominate you for the'harshest-self-critism award' for providing ultra-objectivity on whites_an_racism comments. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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snuggels
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Posted - 29 Sep 2008 : 01:56:54
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Babylon
Read the postings before you come out with such nonsence
As a matter of interest I have traveled to many countries around the world and seen and personaly experienced racsism even seen it in my own country Yes I do know what real racism is. Not just throwing stones The people you critasize in this forum have also related the nice experiences and good times they have had in Gambia.Thats what this forum is about You got to take the ruff with the smooth
Its you that has the probem thinking you are superior To all the white ladies in this Forum |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29 Sep 2008 : 08:13:10
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Babylon where does all this anger come from? It's shocking.
What do you consider old? Not sure how old you are...but we are all getting older. At what age do you think you lose the right to have opinions?
I am 48, I have daughters aged 18 and 23. My mum is 73 and my nana is 95. We all have opinions about stuff!
You call people 'UGLY'. How can you know? Most people havent put photos on here. Also beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Everyone is beautiful to someone. Futhermore even if you think someone is ugly what does that have to do with them having an opinion about something?
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 29 Sep 2008 : 08:17:08
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| bev. you saw my picture right. I ain't no ugly dude. right? |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29 Sep 2008 : 08:18:28
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Everyone is beautiful in my eyes. 
How's that for a diplomatic answer!  |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 29 Sep 2008 : 08:34:03
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I think alot of what white people experience in Gambia is discrimination rather than institutional racism.
We are seen as money machines.
Also depending on the persons perception of history of Gambia we may be seen in a positive or negative light just for being white and english. Personally I have experienced much more positive than negative. Children shouting toubab can be cute it can also be intimidating. Depends on the situation. I usually tell the children my name to 'humanise' me. I then expect them to call me Bev rather than the generic toubab.
I have been in a crowd of 2000 in Priang and people were naturally curious, but welcoming.  I have been in Kolior where the village elders remember a time when a white person coming to the village was to be feared. Now we are building trust and working together for the community.
There is racism in Gambia though. There are racist jokes against other Africans. I have heard comments about Nigerians that are racist and so on. Racism isnt all about black and white. In UK there was/still is alot of racism against the Irish. Sikhs and Hindus can be racist about each other and so on.
It is complex. Usually historical and sadly often to do with religious differences.
I try to look beyond colour, religion, history, geography and see is this person a good kind person. Give friendship a chance. |
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 29 Sep 2008 : 09:26:49
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babylon. while you admit there is racism in gambia like everywhere else?
No, that is stretching the truth of the discussion |
Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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Hiz Princess
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29 Sep 2008 : 10:34:57
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I've witness racism against whites in the UK there's an increase in racist propaganda against white eastern Europeans but this is not what this discussion in about I keep being reminded.
Individual racism can exist anywhere it would be a ludicrous suggestion to say it doesn't and no one here has suggested that so please lets move on from that point.
No one has said white people cannot be a victim of racism no one has claimed its a 'white disease'.
What has been argued is that the though definition the scale of racism which has been claimed does not exists in Gambia not the rest of the world.
Children throwing stones like Njuck said is a ridiculous argument, being called toubab, bosslady is not an example of racism. Someone refusing to sit next you in a bush vehicle is not an example of racism, being made to wait before your served in a bar or shop is not racism. My god if this was the case the race relations board here in the UK would buckle under the strain. 
Babylon's made a key point the colour of your 'white 'skin has given you 'privilege' without you even being aware throughout your lives. Maybe,never experiencing a sense of being treated or even judge 'different' and now many are obviously uncomfortable with this now this, however cannot be construed of racism on a national scale. |
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Hiz Princess
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29 Sep 2008 : 11:02:39
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... Why do you go to Gambia anyway if you cant stand it?
I wondered this as well ,its been picked up on another thread recently, to choose to pay your hard earned cash to visit a place for recreational purposes where your intimidated and marginlised against makes no sense what so ever the world is a very big place.
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Sorry my rudeness, but the white old ladies that rule this african forum really brings out the worst in me.
Why must you think you are the rulers of the world whereever you go?
.. well because that is the typical caucasian mentality of course!
Unfortunately the spread of 'cyber bullying ' is the bane of some forums some people get pleasure out of inflamortory postings but have little else to contribute but take heart Babylon that's the way of the world.
From one happy older black lady  |
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MeMe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29 Sep 2008 : 11:22:01
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Originally posted by BabylonOr perhaps you should learn how to keep your big mouth shut instead rappin granny!
Ooooh, I hit the target then??? FYI - yes, I'm a grandmother (to a gorgeous little boy who is mixed race - Dutch/Scottish/Gambian), yes, I'm white (I'm not going to apologise for that!)yes, I do have a big mouth (who doesn't?!) .... and your point is?? |
It is better to die standing than to live on your knees - Ernesto Guevara de la Serna |
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fee_sweetie
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29 Sep 2008 : 12:15:36
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I tell you I'd rather be discriminated against because I am White than being Arrogant, Bitter, Angry, Rude, Closed minded and down right dis-respectful like a certain somone.
I will keep returning to The Gambia to keep my son connected with part of his heritage, and eventhough i have experience some hatred, I love the country and will be connected to it forever. I experienced rascism when I was in primary school in Scotland, because I could only speak Dutch, I was to go home to wherever I came from. So bottom line is there is RACISM EVERYWHERE but we need to learn from it and move on. The world will never change if we still keep having arguements like this and keep our eyes shut to the world. Yes slavery was a horrific part of our history but history is what it is. It is the 21st CENTURY and we will never move on if white people today still get blamed for other peoples actions in the past. |
"Religion is an insult to human dignity. Without it you'd have good people doing good things + evil people doing evil things but for good people to do evil things it takes religion"- Richard Dawkins |
Edited by - fee_sweetie on 29 Sep 2008 12:22:22 |
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Babylon
Sweden
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Posted - 29 Sep 2008 : 14:45:26
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"I tell you I'd rather be discriminated against because I am White than being Arrogant, Bitter, Angry, Rude, Closed minded and down right dis-respectful like a certain somone."
Who´s that then, your mom? |
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