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faderabraham
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 Posted - 12 Sep 2008 : 17:26:47
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wonder if anyone. have experi enced rascism in gambia.???
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MeMe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12 Sep 2008 : 17:58:39
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Do you mean paying over the odds (as a toubab) to get into Waaw or the fact that people shout "toubab" at you in the street - I mean, I don't shout "black person" to every Gambian/Nigerian/Senegalese/etc I come across while on holiday there    |
It is better to die standing than to live on your knees - Ernesto Guevara de la Serna |
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Hiz Princess
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12 Sep 2008 : 22:54:13
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Never.
Fought against it constantly in the UK though, not nice is it, being a minority and feeling marginalized based on the colour of your skin eh |
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snuggels
960 Posts |
Posted - 13 Sep 2008 : 00:11:01
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| Constantly HIZ are you saying the brits are a racist nation? |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 13 Sep 2008 : 07:53:04
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racism exist in gambia. the racism sitution in UK is much better than gambia. at least there are institutions in UK help you fight against racism. toubabs, non-gambians are treated very bad. i sometimes got away because i have islamic background.
tourists are welcome usually when there is romantism of two individuals or there is some kind of interests. the people who volunteer, giving donations, girl friends/boy friends are treated well, but when there is no interests and business, the attitudes towards foreigners changes dramatically. especially institutional racism. toubabs may be victim and they have to pay in order to get away. racial profiling is one of the worse. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 13 Sep 2008 09:12:11 |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 13 Sep 2008 : 07:54:26
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hýz
can you outline what racism you face in uk. i want to make comparison vs. gambia. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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MeMe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 13 Sep 2008 : 10:20:50
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Originally posted by Hiz Princess
Never.
Fought against it constantly in the UK though, not nice is it, being a minority and feeling marginalized based on the colour of your skin eh
FYI you can be a 'minority' wherever, whenever ... it's not just a colour issue ... |
It is better to die standing than to live on your knees - Ernesto Guevara de la Serna |
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 13 Sep 2008 : 14:34:35
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You kidding me,
the Gambian national museum has a collection of the skeletons of all the races, its scientist spent ages trying to compare the skulls of the races to determine which one is the better race.
Gambia is the founding father of race biology and Eugenics, that is why Gambians speak no other language than the ones spoken in the country, and, and, and …………….
Well, if that is racism....Or......?
Does TOUBAB mean White?
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Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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MeMe
United Kingdom
541 Posts |
Posted - 13 Sep 2008 : 14:58:04
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quote:
Originally posted by Janko
Does TOUBAB mean White?
You tell me .... |
It is better to die standing than to live on your knees - Ernesto Guevara de la Serna |
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Karl
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Posted - 13 Sep 2008 : 17:09:25
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Turk, your statement is misleading and offensive. To be honest, the issue of race is everywhere and it's not 100% perfect anywhere in the world. Despite true and genuiue legislations in almost every constitution against all sort of discriminations, some individuals within societies are always going to be reserved towards others not like them. Am sure your own country has its own problems relating to such matters.
I don't agree with you on the institutional racism in Gambia. What you might be right to say is Institutional corruption. Where some officials attitude towards individuals depends on selfish interest, even fellow Gambian are victims of such behaviours on a daily basis. Not only toubabs who may be victim have to pay in order to get away,that's the failure of the system and I aknowledge that.
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"People who shut their eyes to reality simply invite their own destruction, and anyone who insists on remaining in a state of innocence long after that innocence is dead turns himself into a monster" J Baldwin |
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snuggels
960 Posts |
Posted - 13 Sep 2008 : 17:38:02
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| Your right KARL any person holding some sort of official position will try and rip you off make you pay even Gambians but thats not racism its just that they can get more out of the Toubabs |
Edited by - snuggels on 14 Sep 2008 01:51:00 |
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 13 Sep 2008 : 18:15:12
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Originally posted by MeMe
...Waaw or the fact that people shout "toubab" at you in the street - ...I don't shout "black person" to every Gambian/Nigerian/Senegalese/etc I come across while on holiday there
Did you ask what Toubab means?
It is surely no reference to the colour of skin;... white person as oppose to "black person”
Toubabou-karan-ndingo = Student (western)
Toubabouya = Habit(westernized)
Westernized Gambians are call Toubab
What is racism?
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Prince
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Posted - 13 Sep 2008 : 21:15:24
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Janko: What is racism?
Based on personal experience, I believe that their are two types of racism; Racism emanating from HATE and RACISM emanating from IGNORANCE.
HATE based racism is what i encountered in Russia, people hated me just because i'm different. This is the type of racism far right groups encourage.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4969296.stm
People subscribing to this Nazi philosophy are still prevalent in some southern states of the US and blue color Europe.
The racism from IGNORANCE which i experienced in Egypt, EXIST in Gambia. This form of racism is mainly due to illiteracy and the lack of exposure to other cultures.
Its the type of racism that would make people yell toubab, or sometime give broke, and fat a$$ westerners preferential treatment at the expense of Gambians. This shows that the ignorance type of racism is a double edged sword... I don't consider this to be racism, its just ignorance.
TURK, racism in the Gambia is NOT institutionalized. Like Karl said, corruption is. Greed isn't racism!
Some officials are very corrupt and would take advantage of anyone perceived to have money, (both Gambians and non-Gambians). But to say that their is an institutionalized Gambian policy of biting the hand that feeds them, is outright insane!
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Hiz Princess
United Kingdom
464 Posts |
Posted - 13 Sep 2008 : 21:18:33
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Originally posted by snuggels
Constantly HIZ are you saying the brits are a racist nation?
If you mean Britain then in a word Snuggles yes.
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Hiz Princess
United Kingdom
464 Posts |
Posted - 13 Sep 2008 : 21:36:17
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Originally posted by turk
hýz
can you outline what racism you face in uk. i want to make comparison vs. gambia.
Hi Turk for me to underline and document each incident or my experiences both personal and professional would take an eternity.
One of my earliest memory's as a 6 or 7 year old is walking passed a building with 4 foot red lettering saying 'N*****s Go Home' my mother had tried too shield us many times from this we had to walk with our heads bowed but id snuck a peak. My brother remarked recently that during his early primary years he thought the N Word was his nickname it was used that often.
Is this examples of racisim?
How people define racisim is also intresting in my experience many confuse Racism with Patriotism and even Xenophobia. My definition of racism in its 'purest' form is is the belief that a particular race is superior to another this is then in turn used to oppress and margalise.In order to have such dominance over another race equates power to this race which is not afforded to the other.Its that simple
and I'm sure many other people here have a different definition.
How many people do you know that have been attacked in Gambia because of the colour of their skin or their ethnicity ? No government Initiative can protect those. How many woman do you know spat on because of the clothing they wear or had dog excrement smeared up their doors on a daily basis?
My line of work enables me to come into contact with victims of racism or racist behaviours and I do not work for an anti racist contact group.
I look forward to the day when this is not the case.
Now in fairness I have faced open sexist behaviours in professional environments in Gambia but I don't mean sexual harrassment more the belief that as a woman I must be inferior or unable to be productive. This was based on my gender not on my race.
I have lived in Gambia alongside white ,Asian and Black colleagues no one has, to my knowledge been in any 'romanticised' relationships its been strictly business I have never witnessed any racism or had reports of any racism.
Our system here is designed to marginlize many.Our black boys in our schools are failing because of institutional racism which in 2007 was documented by our Government and still it goes on. This my friend is racial profiling at its 'best'.I have yet to experience the same for white children in the Gambia.
Maybe it would be easier for you to give examples of your experiences so comments and comparisons can be made. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 13 Sep 2008 : 21:47:05
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Originally posted by Karl
Turk, your statement is misleading and offensive. To be honest, the issue of race is everywhere and it's not 100% perfect anywhere in the world.
Misleading and Offensive to who? |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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