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Dalton1
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 Posted - 26 Aug 2008 : 03:15:20
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Sir Dawda In Denver, CO
http://thepoint.gm/africa/gambia/article/2008/8/25/sir-dawda-in-america-for-democratic-convention
DK must be at least 85 years nows.
Personally, I think his humble nature and association with peace is commendable. The historic gathering in Denver for the first black man as president shouldn't escape his eyes.
Despite all the odds on him now after he returned home to peacefully settle, he still among others pionered democracy in the Gambia.
I am sure his critics do have something against him, but still a peaceful man he was for thirty years....that Sir Dawda Jawara, kariraba, kairadorong......E'kontong jeh!!!
rgds,
Dalton
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"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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Dalton1
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Posted - 26 Aug 2008 : 04:10:19
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Alj. DK Jawara
With his white dented teeth
and a blazing full beam's smile
accompanied with a powerful voice
a humble giant walked gently
with ever his handsome glasses
resembling L. Senghore of Dakarunjie
ruling for peace, love and harmony
for thirty dry years.
A-Alhaji (guest to the great baitul Kabah)
D-Dawda (namesake to Dawud Al-islam)
K-Kairaba (Peace)
J-Jawara (the name of that clan to Almamy)
Loved and cherished by all
for his peaceful nature (just that Dove)
and politics of jokes.
DK, though your farms were attacked
by the pariah rebels
but your plants will not wilt ever
at least not in the midst of many.
DK, for the part you erred
'corruption & mismanagement' they said
which your critics hold against you
i hope you one day ask
for that forgiveness.
Note: I was never a PPP, but going by our political history, DK was our first president. Despite what his critics may hold against him "Corruption and mismanagement", Sir Dawda is still a powerful fellow who commands a lot of respect. Probably, the last stroke that broke the camel's back was when he went home to settle, dining with the man (Jammeh) we all fear. That to many is a complete turn-off. If his critics will permit me, I think it will be an insult to compare DK with Jammeh. While Sir Dawda's administration is widely attacked for "corruption and mismanagement, Jammeh's human rights records will live longer in history.
In conclusion, let us give it to the old man.
Author: yj
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"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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kayjatta
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Posted - 26 Aug 2008 : 07:33:47
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It is good to know Sir Dawda is in Colorado today. It is befitting of a man of his standing. He has been a champion of human rights and freedom.
Even though I am generally a Republican and I know Dalton is a great 'Obamaist', I agree with him on a lot of issues about this years election.... |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
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Posted - 26 Aug 2008 : 17:42:36
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| Dalton, I agree with your sentiment - regarding Sir D.K. Jawara. Like you,I was never a PPP and there are several things he can be accused of but never 'secret killing of innocent people etc'. You know what they say, 'you dont know what you've got til its gone'. |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
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Dalton1
3485 Posts |
Posted - 26 Aug 2008 : 23:49:20
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quote:
Originally posted by kayjatta
Even though I am generally a Republican...
Mboka Tam & bro Kay,
thanks to both of you.
also, the above quote is news to me bro Kay but why O dear....with all their mesh.........oopppppppps! |
"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 28 Aug 2008 : 10:08:03
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 28 Aug 2008 : 10:23:52
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Kayjatta;
... a black Rebulican or a Republican? |
Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 28 Aug 2008 : 10:54:39
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| Janko, I do not get it, what is the difference? |
Edited by - kayjatta on 28 Aug 2008 10:55:14 |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 28 Aug 2008 : 17:40:06
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Kay
Janko has a point. Can you define for us please. The philosophy of the Rupublican party is that when the train is full we have to move and leave others behind. For the democrats, we squeeze each other and perhaps pile others on the roof and may be attach trailers behind so we all move even if it means no comfort for any of us. But atleast we all get on board.
Obama has taken a calculated risk to accept the nomination on the anniversary of the "I have a Dream" speech of Martin luther king. He must live up to the task or risk the consequences. As a student of history, i belive that history repeats itself but with a difference.
Interestingly though, the Party of Lincoln, should have been the party of African Americans because it was the Republicans that ended slavery. But did they loose the African American vote? "I have a Dream" will never have been, were it not for the Republicans and today the Democrats have stolen it and made it their own. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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Dalton1
3485 Posts |
Posted - 28 Aug 2008 : 22:54:41
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Welcome back Kons;
I think even Powel's support of the republican candidate is controversial this year. Condoleza rice remains the black championing a republican party. That is why Michael Moore is out to get them.
Dalton
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"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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Edited by - Dalton1 on 29 Aug 2008 16:52:40 |
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 28 Aug 2008 : 23:15:09
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National Black Republican Association
MISSION: The mission of the National Black Republican Association (NBRA) is to be a resource for the black community on Republican ideals and promote the traditional values of the black community which are the core values of the Republican Party: strong families, faith in God, personal responsibility, quality education, and equal opportunities for all.
Kayjatta,
the above is how Black Republicans defined themselves and am not sure White Republicans have the same definition and or agenda.
Thanks kondorong for setting some light on the issue.
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 29 Aug 2008 : 01:19:06
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quote:
Originally posted by Dalton1
Welcome back Kons;
I think even Powel's support of the republican candidate is controversial this year. Condoleza rice remains the black championing a republican party. That is why Michael Moore is out to get him.
Dalton
Dalton
One thing that has become clear is that only very successful African Americans vote Republican. It appears that once rich, one does not like to share and therefore "big government" must be streamlined so that less taxes are paid to help the poor in society.
No health care, welfare or assistance should be encouraged. I am amused by the Rupublican philosphy on "Socialised Medicine"
But the "Party of Lincoln" as the Repblicans were called in African American Communities, was a sacred Party in the wake of the abolition movement and during the Civil war.
Its much like the World Bank and the International Monetray Fund. The World Bank, instead of acting as a Bank with more stringent policies became the benefactor whilst the Fund assumed the role of a Bank. For some reason they both lost touch with their constituencies.
But on a more serious note, the story of Obama will never happen on the Motherland.(Africa) Ivory Coast descended into civil strive when a "foreigner" ran for president.
In the Gambia, merely being born there is no automatic right to Citizenship. What a sad tragedy. Ironically, children born of Gambian parents outside of Gambia can be Gambians.
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 29 Aug 2008 : 08:15:08
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Thanks Kons, janko and Dalton for your posts. Let me back track a little bit by saying that my intention was to "tune" Dalton. I know from his postings that he is a big supporter of Obama (I called him an Obamaist). I am a big supporter of Obama too, not only because this election is historic but also I like his philosophy and eloquence. I can identify myself with where he is coming from and where he wants to take this country to.
Having said that, it is important to note that what constitute a democrat and what constitute a republican can be very blurry. If you listened to Obama's speech today you will realise that gray area of republican/democratic continuum he tried to straddle to appease supporters on both sides. it is also important to realise that American blacks have not always been democrats. Many blacks were originally republicans as Konds rightly said because at that point in history the republican agenda was what served the interest of blacks in America, namely the ending of slavery. Later on the black vote turned towards the democrats especially during the civil rights era. This massive change of political loyalty is often referred to as a "political realignment". In the 2004 presidential election in the U.S. we have almost witnessed another major political realignment where many blacks voted republican again because of George Bush's position on abortion, stem cell research, gay marriage, evolution religion and faith-based organizations ( very important issues to blacks). The emergence of Obama as the presidential candidate for the democrats will crystallize black support for that party this year.
My problem with the democratic philosophy is that I do not generally believe in a big government. I think the role of government should essentially be to provide a level field for all people to realize their potentials and achieve their dreams, but government should not be the bread basket for any one for an extended period of time. People should be, or should be assisted to be, self-reliant. But I also have a problem with the republican philosophy. I strongly object to the republican position on abortion, stem cell research, teaching of evolution in schools, and the relationship between faith (religion)and government.
I am aware that neither republicans nor democrats necessarily agree on all these philosophical issues, but generally this is the trend:
REPUBLICANS
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1.strong believers in faith
2. advocates small govt
3. lower taxes
4. pro business
5. pro life
6. advocates gun rights
7. strong emphasis on family values
8. pro creation (intelligent design)
9. anti gay rights
10. strictly interprets the constitution
11. big defense spending (militarism)
12. anti immigrant policies
13. emphasis on hard work and self-reliance
14. ...
) DEMOCRATS
1. weak believers in faith )
2. advocates big govt
3. higher taxes
4. less pro business
5. pro choice
6. advocates gun control
7. less emphasis on family values
8. pro science (eovlutionist)
9. pro gay rights
10. less strictly interprets the constitution (the "living constitution")
11. less defense spending
12. pro immigrant policies
13. less emphasis on hard work and self-reliance
14. ...
Can you gauge yourself based on these criteria and tell us where you strictly belong? Are you now surprised that most Americans are in fact independents? Most Americans political loyalty changes depending on what issue is most important to them at the time of the election.
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 29 Aug 2008 : 15:33:56
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Thanks, Kondorong
Can’t compare America and Obamas situation with the condition in Ivory Coast, Africa, hence one of Obamas parents is American, and that is not the case in Ivory Coast or was at least hard to establish.
Thanks, Kayjatta
You are spot on; the difference between Democrats and Republicans is very limited and haze in certain issues but very boundless and distinct in others.
The question of white and black Republicans was meant to “pull your leg” a little. I am unable to grasp a nomenclature based on skin-colour in one and the same party. What role does the skin-colour play if not strengthening the sense of difference and how does that relate to MLK´s “I have a Dream” speech, that man be judged by the content his/her character.
"My problem with the democratic philosophy is that I do not generally believe in a big government.”
Paradoxically, Clinton a Democrat was able to put more money into government coffers than Bush a Republican who would go down in history as one of the biggest spenders. Secondly, the argument of having equal opportunity is only possible provided the field is level for fair play; equal access and possibility for all to pursue an education that enables them to “realize their potentials and achieve their dreams”.
This is not a polemic with you rather an expression of my view on your comparison.
Most of the arguments or points of distinction you listed are more theoretical, dogmatic, and ideological than having a practical reference to the everyday reality people live. Republicans are not more religious than Democrats or more ethical etc. It all comes to the question of interpretation; who and how things are interpreted and for/to whom. The constitution in itself needs be dynamically interpreted, hence, times do change and it was written ages ago, and no one party, group, person can claim that his, her or their interpretation of the constitution is absolute, supreme or paramount.
I would rather think that the black voters are dynamic and good in following their interest within the political arena, “political dynamism” not "political realignment”, which underestimates and underrates black political consciousness.
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Dalton1
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Posted - 29 Aug 2008 : 16:29:51
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Fair assessment bro Janko & Kay.
Thanks for the analysis. It was a wonderful speech.
Dalton |
"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 30 Aug 2008 : 01:21:19
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quote:
Originally posted by Janko
Thanks, Kondorong
Can’t compare America and Obamas situation with the condition in Ivory Coast, Africa, hence one of Obamas parents is American, and that is not the case in Ivory Coast or was at least hard to establish.
Janko, the man was Prime Minister and no one questioned his citizenship. It was only when he ran for President that he was told that he was not a Citizen?
That allegation cannot hold water. The reason why i like America is its openess to immigrants from all walks of life. I have travelled widely around the world but none like the United States.
Sons of immigrants are becoming Governors now in the United States. A son of a Chinese Immigrant was Governor of Washington State whilst a son of an Indian immigrant is currently a Governor in Lousiana. Arnold Swazzneggar is Governor of california, with an economy much bigger than France and Germany combined. He is a first time immigrant born in Austria. Madelien Albright became Secretary of state under Clinton from Poland whilst Colin Powell's parents came from the carribean and rose to Joint Chief Of Staff and Secretary of State.
Africa should adopt H1B Visa programmes and give citizenships to the finest who would like to sstay and develop the continent. |
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