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mbay
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 Posted - 26 Aug 2008 : 14:29:20
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Isn’t that all nice that we are all experts (Would be beautiful one)
From locking of the Mosque, to condemnation of the entirely area believes.
I find it ridiculously like some with their condemn going around as they want. If that is the kind and knows password,I will then said, good night.It's like Piccadilly Circus here.
If it concerns truth, let no stone lie unaffected, whatever goes.
Did you think already once of the religion, how this causes many a differences?
Did you notice the enmity, which prevails under the many sparkling in each religion? To everyone believes, he would be right even if it is a stone as his God would devastate. In the Islam it is also not different one, anyone who believes quite that he-she has right must proven without expectations or exclusive audience.
If is about changing around with stretching connection of traditions and so on. An enormous changes of past always costs something.
Example come someone suburb and tells you, everything you makes is wrong. And say, Mummy, it is wrongly to go to this Mabarabu. More difficulty is, sister, you must cover up to soil, even your eyes must covers with eyeglasses, and it is logically that someone exceptes.
But before I was condemned I firstly have to have times to hear which he is to offer.
But while we have to be with truth and not more, therefore it is always not logically to covert if. One believes that he is correct; here does not concern humans with their preference,
no it goes over rather.
Have you notice how many fanatics ring to their believe to understand? I am convinced the fact that yours intend these hire to employ and which you after careful consideration to say yourself had, which would be correct, if only one religion existed. No, this also does not go . Actually this religion should units not only the Muslims to moved forward to their God, but entirely mankind together without any teach the consciousness feel.
Three hire are important. 1To believe the only God. 2 To sow quality among humans. 3 it is to know that God sends His prophets around us to instruct. If you view these and consider yourself, you will ask yourself, why this whole rising? (It is the carving up the religion) which also sometimes would meet the wrongside, I say to this as a one of malfunction to mankind, it is admits that humans even does not agree with his own creator. Thus why should we then ask a miracle here to comes, all this is laying in our hands, in order to certify this whole kinds of problem, remains to us with our differences. Also no reason gives everything with grips connects or to places oneself as only truths remediable.
All the are same no mater where one does got his knowledge from ,so dramatically also openly resins errs, nowhere we are to certain became in such a way.
We are not to fear around to confusion and deceptions, it must not be that whole families /friends went loost.
this religion is already consecrated, so i do not believe one will come and change it .But if someone comes then listens to it like all other thing into the live, not incite and prime.
However, the name of this religion says everything to us.
There are those again and again rings, within or outside, desiring to spilt us with everything can make it, also with this rings gives dialogue possibility, we should hold the doors opens for everyone, real for everyone. It does not have to be different. And exactly this locking out goes all about. Each human who feels so will governs negatively,but though that must not be a time calling this person the enormous person,It is more to natural.
If Christian’s permits me in their church to pray and preaches, then I must ask myself, why closing my own same believes out, my own debt? And so on.
The last is up to yourself to judge and not some eon esle.
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Momodou
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Posted - 26 Aug 2008 : 16:18:20
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Originally posted by mansasulu
When islam came to west africa it was through traders so the people learnt islam from them by mostly by watching and following what they did. So it was inevitable that the islam they brought with them got muddled with some of the prevailing customs and ways of the day. This was what was mostly passed down to later generations.
It is true that Islam came to West Africa through traders but don't forget also that the first University in the world was in Timbuktu. The scholars from that University are those who spread the religion more than the traders. I believe that the Islam taught by those scholars was not diluted with the fanaticism we see today.
Currently there are a lot of Arabic culture mixed in Islam and the students who study in those lands bring along customs which are Arabic and does not make anyone less Muslim for not adopting those ways of life.
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 26 Aug 2008 : 17:23:57
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Originally posted by toubab1020
I found this disturbing report in The Point,I do not understand that due to disagreement between two groups of Muslims a Mosque is shut by the Police,please explain.Islam is a peaceful religion.
http://thepoint.gm/africa/gambia/article/2008/8/22/numuyel-mosque-closed
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The mosque is said to have been closed down because of a dispute between the village elders and a supposed group of worshippers claiming to be Sunnis over the construction of an Arabic school on the outskirts of Numuyel by the group.
Of course Islam is a religion of peace and it is un-acceptable to use this (civil or communal) dispute against it? Village elders maintain traditions, custom and culture which is difficult to overhaul or radicalise. For example; certain familes claim ownership and religious leaderships (Imamhood) by inheritance from the family tree and a kind of oligarcy exist at local level in Gambia. Any government that come to power is influenced by them to consolidate their traditionalist interest. Some of these scholars are trying to set up insitutions within their territory and there are tendency of them losing priviledges and certain status for their noble families. Politics and power struggles divides communities rather than Islam! Its not only about affiliation to Shi'ite muslims or other ideology; also patronage from many arab states brought about greed and these kind of conflict at local level. Mansasuula amongst others got valid points!
We need to probe how does the project came about to serve community; concieved & conditions for financing and management? Therefore the underlying causes of the conflict and power struggles should be properly analysed? The state intervened to resolve communal disputes of this nature!
Your concerns on Islam as religion of peace? Some scholars may refer to the following:-
i)"Al-Kafiroon" (Chapter 109 and verses from Quran) inter alia; http://www.quranexplorer.com/quran/
ii) The UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights (1948) states that:-
"Every human being has a right to embrace the religion or belief of his choice; including no religion!" |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 26 Aug 2008 : 18:08:31
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Exactly right Kobo
"Every human being has a right to embrace the religion or belief of his choice; including no religion!"
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 26 Aug 2008 : 19:59:56
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Interesting thread and great inputs from all.
Mansa and Momodou made interesting statements on which i want to comment. The situation we have in the Gambia is some youth, most of whom have never travelled outside The Gambia but got lectures from travelling preachers called the DAWAH. MOst of these travelling preachers come from Asia ,mostly Pakistanis. These youths who are 'born-agains', have the good intention of turning over new leaves and practising the true Islam but unfortunately attimes what they get from these travelling preachers is diluted with Asian culture as momodou suggested. So when these youths who are mostly un-employed stay over-night at local mosques, the local authorities are not comfortable with the preachings of these guys. So this slowly breeds mis-trust between the two. So the local authroities are left no option other than to expel them from their mosques which is erronous. Becuase the mosque is Allah's house, so all muslims have rights to it. i.e pray therein.
The other group that Mansa and Momodou referred to are those that studied in Arab countries. I agree largely with wat Mansa said. These islamic graduates are mostly the more knowlegeable in the pure Islam. That does not mean that they are the most practising muslims though.
There are some practises that some Gambian Muslims practise which the graduates would tell you its wrong but the old-guard who never accept. For example its recommendeded that the first row after the Imam be composed of learned men( those well versed in the noble Quran) this is mainly for the reasons such as aiding the Imam should he need a reminder or take his place when he becomes incapacitated during a prayer session. BUt the old-guard most often think it has to do with age and clan.
The best for a Muslim is to seek knowledge, from the noble Quran and the Prophet's SAW Hadith.
ALLAHU ALAM! |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 26 Aug 2008 : 20:47:42
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Madiba when you said in your posting" Becuase the mosque is Allah's house, so all muslims have rights to it. i.e pray therein."
This sums up the resolution to my initial question.
The explainations for closing of this Mosque,by the police if I understand what has been posted on Bantaba correctly is to maintain the public peace and tranquility of the area,the duty of any police force. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 27 Aug 2008 : 09:13:48
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| Toubab you are spot on. |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 27 Aug 2008 : 10:06:36
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Madiba
I find it very interesting and also frightening that you say Pakistani travelling preachers are influencing Gambian youths. I wasn't aware of this in Gambia at all.
The majority of extremists in Uk have either been influenced by extremists preaching in the local mosque or have been to study in Pakistan and have returned radicalised.
I think this is a matter of deep concern for all moderate Muslims.
It is from these radicalised people that the suicide bombers come.
Lets hope that nothing so awful ever happens in gambia and no Gambian is ever involved in such an event elsewhere in the world.
Easily influenced people are deliberately recruited to do the 'dirty work'. Gambian young men who are drifting, unemployed, unmarried and poorly educated and not worldywise would seem easy targets.   
All moderate Gambians need to be vigilant in their communities and say no to extremism.
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mbay
Germany
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Posted - 27 Aug 2008 : 13:22:59
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Muslim Youth: A Choice Between Tradition and Secularized Islam?
See what he/she also think. (Far blow, there is the Q&A) A real word press.
http://muslimsinkenya.wordpress.com/ |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 27 Aug 2008 : 16:08:18
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GambiaBev,
I understand your worries. I think the gambian politico-religious climate is quite different from that of the UK. In The Gambia there are little or no Gambian-Asians feeling unwanted as it might be the case in the UK. It will be very difficlut if not impossible for anyone from outside to sow seeds of discord based on religion in The Gambia. Gambians are generally peaceful people and attach alot of importance to their cultural ties. I dnt see a Gambian Muslim bombing another Gambian non-muslim who might be relative or a friend's relative or a relative's friend. You see what i mean?
This case must be resolved by the Supreme Islamic Council as soon as possible to dispel all misconceptions and suspicions. |
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Dalton1
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Posted - 27 Aug 2008 : 18:38:12
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Bro Madis,
Your assertion is accurate.
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"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 27 Aug 2008 : 21:36:20
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kaanibaa
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28 Aug 2008 : 14:42:53
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| But then we can visualize a Gambian Sicko dishing out death to perceived opponents in the political field; interesting isn't it!Gambians have always said such evil acts cannot happen there and when it reared its ugly head we seem to be in eternal denial, we do need to see the real world not under the cover of shaded or tinted glasses. I am sorry but I have a different opinion in these regards and I beg to differ with all due respects . |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28 Aug 2008 : 15:19:11
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That 'Gambian sicko' might be misusing national resources which are not at the disposal of the normal citizen for his nefarious activities.
However, unlike our 'Masallah bros and sisters', those Asian-Brits take their 'holy wars' to the door-steps of their perceived enemies, becos of what their enemies are perceived to be doing to their countries of origin. e.g. Pakistan, Afghanistan , Iraq, Palestine etc. The Dawahs have been pacific all the yrs i have known them. And i have never known any of their members to be preaching violence or to be armed.
The Gambia is not part of any force , fighting Al-qaeda or 'extremists' in any Asian country. These Dawah groups, visit countries such as Guinea Bissau, Senegal, Mali, South Africa, etc as well. You catch the drift now? So for me i am not seeing any sort of the London bombing happening in The Gambia.
My worry today is the bad governance presently reigning. |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 28 Aug 2008 : 17:44:04
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Madiba
Its becoming very difficult for male nurses to attend to patients in the delivery room. You cannot but notice the turbans at the Hospital in Banjul with the short-trout like pants stopping just before the ankles.
Nowhere have this impact been most felt than the School of Nursing in Banjul. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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