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toubab1020
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 Posted - 11 Aug 2008 : 23:52:34
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Originally posted by Hiz Princess
Toubab1020 im confused,where in the article does it mention rewards
Yes I can agree the youths setting the bush alight (because they can!!) do go unpunished is this a reward?
Many women and men find 'love' in the arms of a Gambian some are genuine and some aren't and yes the con men/woman do get some form of monetary reward but many may sacrifice a great deal.
I don't think society is rewarding these people.
There's no quick fix who would want one - just to paper over the cracks but there are answers its whether communities take these on board and tackle them head on.
Unfortunately most communities will have one or two pro active members, that is why there's no progression.
When I talked of rewards I was thinking about CRIMINALS "going on a break" to Africa or West Indies,arranged through Social services in the UK (I dont know if it still goes on )just to see how other folks live,whereas the normal youths would never have a chance to travel to me that was a reward.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Hiz Princess
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12 Aug 2008 : 00:07:18
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Toubab1020 im sorry but I really cant honestly say whether it happens now, but I know people that work within the social services and none have all expenses paid trips to anywhere so probably not.
Africa boy (what the tabloids named him) was a bit more complex from what I remember and this was more of a social experiment from what I recall was linked to a very big research organisation , but let us not digress
We are talking about Gambia and the youth there not the problems in the UK which strangely keep creaping into this thread. |
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turk
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Posted - 12 Aug 2008 : 00:46:37
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Originally posted by Hiz Princess
Turk in what way must they be different?
Gambia is poor. West is rich. Gambia can't afford monetary solutions i.e. training programs, education etc. For example, they can focus on little more harsh strict rules on youth, the role of islam can be very useful. I can see there is a negative co-relation between religion and youth crime in Gambia. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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MeMe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12 Aug 2008 : 10:58:17
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Originally posted by Hiz Princess
We are talking about Gambia and the youth there not the problems in the UK which strangely keep creaping into this thread.
So, lessons learned, similar issues tackled/not tackled here in the UK or anywhere else in the world shouldn't be brought into discussions regarding the Gambia ... how short-sighted. But that's 'royalty' for you, eh hahahaha   |
It is better to die standing than to live on your knees - Ernesto Guevara de la Serna |
Edited by - MeMe on 12 Aug 2008 10:59:14 |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 12 Aug 2008 : 12:57:10
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Originally posted by Hiz Princess
Toubab1020 im sorry but I really cant honestly say whether it happens now, but I know people that work within the social services and none have all expenses paid trips to anywhere so probably not.
Africa boy (what the tabloids named him) was a bit more complex from what I remember and this was more of a social experiment from what I recall was linked to a very big research organisation, but let us not digress
We are talking about Gambia and the youth there not the problems in the UK which strangely keep creaping into this thread.
Thanks for reminding me that I was going off topic a little, I was trying to highlight stupid schemes that have been tried in the west with no good result I have never been involved in "youth work" in Gambia,(or elswhere)so consequently I should keep my mouth tightly shut,but "experts have developed no answer,even Turk who is normally vocal about what can be done has run out of constructive ideas.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
USA
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Posted - 12 Aug 2008 : 15:22:11
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whiteman
You are absolutely right. I am pessimistic about the isseu. I don't have much answer to it. It is very difficult problem. Gambia is not rich, can't fight against so called 'globalism' and 'pop culture impact'. Youth seem to interested in 'mobile','dress','jersey','sneakers'. The only tool they can use, their culture/religion to fight off, that is all i believe. I would have many constructive ideas such as training programs, education blah blah, but gambia ain't got any benjamins. I think, more strickt rules may be the answer. Democracy and liberalism may be good idea but it requires wealth to work.
I would even go further and suggest radikal measures. For example, curfew, mobile restriction without parents permission those who are under 19.
Gambia should have mentality to provide some thougher measure for the sake of everyone. For example, I hate the crowd of market when there are cars in it. If I was the government, I would forbid any vehicle in the market between 9 to 16.
I would declare alcohol/party zone in some areas for example senegambia and forbid anyone under 19 to enter without the parents.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 12 Aug 2008 : 18:04:13
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| gambiaturk,I am very happy to say that I agree totally with you but as i am not a born Gambian I cannot say weather this would work in Gambia I would love to see it come about in the west but too late I am afraid. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Hiz Princess
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12 Aug 2008 : 23:19:34
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Toubab1020 you don't have to work with the youth in order to observe what is happening. Please never feel that your contributions are not valid, no one should ever be made to feel like that.
No One has the answers some have solutions that may, or may not work. My father reminds me frequently that I can only save the world one day at a time.
My comment about the UK/Gambia were a simple observation its easy to bash the west, it detracts from the topic at hand and in some cases hijacks the thread. This serves(in my humble opinion) no purpose.
Attitude is key to Gambia's problems, like I've said countless times blame and shame are no motivation for change .
Many of Gambia's youth are disillusioned frustrated and even angry they want a quick fix and as we know their aspirations downtread so many.
Looking to the West is not the solution,but this is encouraged, almost embraced by so many.
Looking to what we have, not what we have not got, is the solution .
A bad workman blames his tools!
Education equates knowledge and this will set you free.
Attitudes , mind set ,responsibility need to be in the foremost of every educator. What sort of nonsense is it to employ unqualified teachers if your unqualified what have you to offer
How can you expect these people (I refuse to call them teachers) to be taken seriously by parents carers and students, what kind of message is being sent!!!!!
Questions need to be raised but they need to be answered and needs to be demanded don't leave it to the VSO's to do the demanding. It makes me so mad.
A Minster of education who declares that his ECD plan is not focused on education for 6 year olds!! While I agree that a focus of development is important, I also feel education can be integrated within this structure .
To call this whole policy a 'bite off more than you can chew' is farcical. Do these people not realise how ridiculous their lip service is??
But lets continue as we all agree (I'm assuming) that education is key into instilling self worth /respect and that respect and discipline can go hand in hand, lets look further into the education sector.
Waldos famous quote that 'the secret in education lies in respecting the student' has fallen on deaf ears.
I Have attended many classes at the U T G and have been horrified by the amount of phone calls the faculty has taken during seminars!!
I have travelled to many places ,took part in training sessions, seminars and classes I have yet to see this type of disrespectful behaviour in any higher education facility. No wonder students (some, not all) are wandering in and out of classes, what kind of example is this?
Is it any wonder that student now studying here in the UK are some what bemused by the efforts of students and lecturers that study,observe , volunteer and work in the Gambia.
Is this the fault of the west or empathy of its people?
Gambia have you not heard that a child's talent to endure stems from their ignorance of alternatives. Use what resources you have to deliver a concise diverse curriculum give access to all to participate.Invest in training your teachers instead of pageants where the prize money awarded from government funds comes to tens of thousands of dalasi!
Of late I've said Gambia's not ready for change but on reflection here ,maybe this lies deeper in the sense that Gambia/ns are not equipped mentally to enforce change.
In the words of a great woman We may encounter many defeats but we must not be defeated.
Meme With regards to my username...
I am not royalty but I am a princess, if only in Hiz eyes. Im Hiz princess, Hiz Empress ,hiz everything ,something I'm proud to be called, a mere term of endearment nothing more nothing less.
I've see many hard working consciousness princess not afraid to get their hands dirty its not a bad title.
Can the same be said for the 'selfish Gene' a mere mutation associated with yours? |
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mbay
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Posted - 12 Aug 2008 : 23:44:13
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A wind of change.
Phenomenally, too much freedom for the kids or even disrespected parent?.this type of anti social movement from some of the Elders will effect some gently behavior of the kids,No child born with sin.If there an, then they all comes later on the day and this is the mission of elders to prevent.
There is a lot of acute on the education among the community and falling of pluck in the family.No body can be entirely perfect but try the best or ask around ,and just don't believe that your education to your child is always the perfect ways.The world is moving too fast to catch so try some time and ask around.It is common knowledge that Elders are mastermind on the eyes of the kids, it is up to the result that will come out.
When time comes like this as we are now,first priority to be. "I be me & you be you" No love and no sympathy, Misusing drugs which will frankly drive you at the edge of commonalty as well as losing of social integration.
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toubab1020
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Posted - 13 Aug 2008 : 15:31:30
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This topic is turning into something that can be useful with all the posters so far in agreement but no one has any real answers to offer,I would really like others who could join in and give their views on how this very very disturbing worldwide problem can be tackled,who knows maybe we can discover an answer and formulate a simple process that works,I must say that I am out of new thinking at the moment,more input to the topic from others may come like a bolt of lighning and all become clear.
Hiz has said
Of late I've said Gambia's not ready for change but on reflection here ,maybe this lies deeper in the sense that Gambia/ns are not equipped mentally to enforce change.
I posted under a previous topic.
I am beginning to understand a little,Kobo would you(or any other Gambian) please comment on the points below,these came to me in a flash without any deep thought,Am I wrong?
Change is something to be feared,
Change cannot be good we have managed this way for a long time,that is the way things are,we don't want change,
Why should we change?
The tribe is all important
All we want is to be left alone and live our lives as we have always done
There is only one leader
We don't want other people to tell us what to do
We have our own ideas and ways of doing things and they are right
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There was not a single posting in response to my words,could it be that all readers of bantaba agree with them?
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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MeMe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 13 Aug 2008 : 16:48:19
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Originally posted by Hiz Princess
Meme With regards to my username...
I am not royalty but I am a princess, if only in Hiz eyes. Im Hiz princess, Hiz Empress ,hiz everything ,something I'm proud to be called, a mere term of endearment nothing more nothing less.
I've see many hard working consciousness princess not afraid to get their hands dirty its not a bad title.
Can the same be said for the 'selfish Gene' a mere mutation associated with yours?
I'm a princess/empress(with a sense of humour!!)in my OWN eyes and my username is an acronym ......
(Off topic, T1020 - sorry!  ) |
It is better to die standing than to live on your knees - Ernesto Guevara de la Serna |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 13 Aug 2008 : 17:15:21
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| Neve mind sort it out then come back |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Hiz Princess
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14 Aug 2008 : 00:55:30
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Mbay I agree no child is born bad and there's no shame in asking anyone for help or advice unfortunately children dont enter the world with an instruction manual.
Toubab1020 in response to your comment
There was not a single posting in response to my words,could it be that all readers of bantaba agree with them?
agreeing with that posting (as i do) doesn't necessarily mean that the thoughts and beliefs it conveys are right. Hopefully others will comment.
I'm a princess/empress(with a sense of humour!!)in my OWN eyes and my username is an acronym ......
(Off topic, T1020 - sorry! )
Meme never did I doubt it. I knew we didn't share the same reading lists/interests, but its very big of you to apologise to Toubab1220 and now were back on toipc |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 14 Aug 2008 : 18:52:08
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| Thanks Hiz,I didn't imply that my 'flash' was correct in all aspects I invited comments,none came. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Santanfara
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Posted - 15 Aug 2008 : 07:49:16
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toubab, from the angle i am reading from, there have been adquate answers to many of the youth problems. both meme and HP has provided ample way forward here. the ball is in the parents court. spend time with kids and teach them manners. prepared the future for them through respect and hardwork. the society will always be changing but strong foundation and family values should remain. there is no magic answers. so all that HP has lamented here make lots of sense and meme complimented most points also.
the parenhts need to go back to basics. no one can completely tell another parent how to raise his/her kid, just like people can't teach each other how live as a couple. this things comes naturally. the parents know they are not there for the kids, so the kids disobey them knowingly.
whether it is England, Bamako, Dakar or the streets of Banjul. i have visited some of the expensive parts of London and the rich kids tend to behave well and greet with good manners, so why are the poor kids rude and silly? the parents don't spend little time with them. before having kids, one should thnk about the little issues. if mums is busier than Dad, then let Dad spend time with kids. |
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