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turk
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 Posted - 10 Aug 2008 : 00:17:02
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| how about religious focus. Islam. Can't help? |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Hiz Princess
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10 Aug 2008 : 00:44:58
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It was on the thread main ports in cocaine trade towards the end.
By instilling preventive measures you are not rewarding anyone 'Prevention is always better than cure'
We must start from the young I'm talking under 5 by the time you reach adolescents the mind set has already set in. Yet time and time again this seems to be the case.
Parents now need to be shown how to parent, what a sorry state of affairs!!! Early intervention on all levels needs to be put in place.
Ive nothing against conscription into the armed forces and not just in the western world. Ive young family members serving now and yes I'm very proud of them, whether I agree with the war is irrelevant they're paid to do a job and they're doing it bloody well before you ask neither are graduates they left that to their elders.
I don't consider myself a namby pamby participant in society but I have worked on grass root projects in the UK Canada the US and South America as well as western Africa and do believe in what preach (for want of a better word).
There will be good and bad people in every society no matter how much intervention or preventive measures you put in place.
Punishment is not a deterrent for those hell bent on criminal activities if that was the case the prisons would not be full of re offenders, but neither should it be dismissed, of course there has to be a consequence.
I also feel the glorification of some activities is also part of the problem whether its in the multi media or on the streets of Kololi and this also need to be addressed but this is not cause more a condition of the problem.
In the 90s worked in an inner city school where the local government had declared that competition during sports day was to be stopped and these were now to be fun days where games and teamwork where to be emphasised. My personal view is that there will always be someone more successful/faster/prettier etc than you but, is it right to measure your self worth on someone else's success . |
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snuggels
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Posted - 10 Aug 2008 : 09:40:14
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The softly softly approach over the last 15 to 20 years has lead I believe to where we are today. As a child yes I was taught and as a teenager I new right from wrong.
But one of the things that kept me on the straight and narrow was the fear of the consequences of my actions if I did do wrong.
To day there is no respect and no fear. We in the UK have had 27 young people killed by knife attacks so far this year. And you hear the same old things said by the do gooders and Politians which has achieved and will not achieve anything.
What should have been said by the government after the uproar after the last killing was any one found carrying a knife on the streets with out a legitimate reason would lead to an automatic 5 years in jail Put the fear back into the young thugs and yobs who rule our streets.
I know our prisons are over crowed but that’s not the point
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toubab1020
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Posted - 10 Aug 2008 : 12:06:12
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Originally posted by turk
how about religious focus. Islam. Can't help?
Thanks Turk Santa was going to do a piece on Kabila which he hasn't posted yet. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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toubab1020
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Posted - 10 Aug 2008 : 12:13:45
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[quote]Originally posted by Hiz Princess
It was on the thread main ports in cocaine trade towards the end.
By instilling preventive measures you are not rewarding anyone 'Prevention is always better than cure'
We must start from the young I'm talking under 5 by the time you reach adolescents the mind set has already set in. Yet time and time again this seems to be the case.
Parents now need to be shown how to parent, what a sorry state of affairs!!! Early intervention on all levels needs to be put in place.
What you say in this posting is worthy of note and I dont disagree at all, you have had first hand experience of political interference in games and you found that stupid,perhaps I misunderstood what you were trying to convey in your previous posting,One thing is for certain instill in very young children creditable values in life and that initial hard work will repay everyone once the child grows up. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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toubab1020
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Posted - 10 Aug 2008 : 12:19:04
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Originally posted by snuggels
The softly softly approach over the last 15 to 20 years has lead I believe to where we are today. As a child yes I was taught and as a teenager I new right from wrong.
But one of the things that kept me on the straight and narrow was the fear of the consequences of my actions if I did do wrong.
To day there is no respect and no fear. We in the UK have had 27 young people killed by knife attacks so far this year. And you hear the same old things said by the do gooders and Politians which has achieved and will not achieve anything.
What should have been said by the government after the uproar after the last killing was any one found carrying a knife on the streets with out a legitimate reason would lead to an automatic 5 years in jail Put the fear back into the young thugs and yobs who rule our streets.
I know our prisons are over crowed but that’s not the point
Snuggles,you are not alone in your concern, that is felt by the vast majority of ordinary people,but we are governed by those who we have elected to represent us,who appear not to know what to do,so as its about politics,the rule there is Do nothing,until election time then you can promise anything. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Santanfara
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Posted - 10 Aug 2008 : 12:58:32
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toubab, thanks for reminding me of an old social norms in my region. i posted the community law enforcement technique on my blog. have a read. it may be very unconventional but atleast it worked. i am not sure if the young granny of meme would fall in this catagory though.
thanks for your intriguing topics.
http://suntoumana.blogspot.com/2008/08/kabilo-clan-law-enforcement.html |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
Edited by - Santanfara on 10 Aug 2008 13:08:09 |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 10 Aug 2008 : 13:17:12
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Everyone do have a read of Santa's Blog its very interesting and quite a unique concept, I feel that it needs developing to be effective nationwide.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Hiz Princess
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10 Aug 2008 : 23:37:25
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Snuggles our prisons have become crime academies. Our young offenders Institutes are full of boys that have a low reading age if they have one at all. This is instrumental in adolescent criminality but we are not talking about the decline in the UK but in Gambia and yet the situation is the same.
I don't believe in physical discipline I have managed successful to raise productive members of society without losing control. How many parents choose to slap, smack their children out of love rather than temper or frustration??
Statistics show that both harsh and erratic discipline is as damaging as none.
Attitudes in the Gambia have to change Gambians owe it to themselves their countrymen and their future (after all that's what our young people are) instead of blaming everyone while while washing their hands of the situation.
Investment in education money and training is desperately needed on all levels including university Change has to be instigated from within in order to take affect.
Santanfara I found your explanation of Kabilo/Kabila very enlightening while the concept is very much how the UK was in the 60s in terms of the extended family everyone taking an active part etc I have obvious issues with it, but I do believe that this concept is only the tip of the ice berg.
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MeMe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11 Aug 2008 : 00:47:23
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Originally posted by Santanfara
toubab, thanks for reminding me of an old social norms in my region. i posted the community law enforcement technique on my blog. have a read. it may be very unconventional but atleast it worked. i am not sure if the young granny of meme would fall in this catagory though.
thanks for your intriguing topics.
http://suntoumana.blogspot.com/2008/08/kabilo-clan-law-enforcement.html
Hi Santa, I read the blog and have to say found it very interesting! It sort of reminded me of days gone by when 'wrongdoers' would be publically humiliated by being put in the stocks in the town square where everyone could see them. I've recently also seen footage of smaller US towns who have for example had young shop-lifters stand in front of the stores they stole from holding a board saying what they did ... again it's the humiliation factor that's hoped to stop them re-offending.
However, I'm not sure if this would be a deterent in the UK today or a 'rite of passage' - (the foolish!!) look how tough I am guys idea?!
Yes, ensuring that small children are brought up properly is the way forward but these bad apples T1020 is talking about are the parents of tomorrow and I hate to think what sort of parents they will be! It's a lack of respect for yourself in the first place, for your elders and your direct surroundings .... zero tolerance on anti-social behaviour, drugs, drinking and under-age (mentally these teens are still 10!)sex would be a start, I suppose.
As HP said, it takes a village - unfortunately, it can be quite dangerous if you decide to call someone out on their bad behaviour. Just the other week I read about a poor woman who was pushed onto the train tracks for having the guts to tell a group of youths off for smoking in the station - she could have died!! I myself recently told two of our neighbour's children off for constantly calling our elderly upstairs neighbour by her first name - they are 6 & 9 and the lady in question is over 70 ... now when I pass them they shout "It's Joan, not Mrs Green" and pull faces at me. I would go to their parents but already know what their reply would be 
I certainly don't want my grandson growing up in a lawless society and dread the day when he'll have to go to school with 'girls' who will look at him as if he's some sort of trophy (mixed race boys are much sought after it would seem!!) and boys who think it's ok to stab someone for looking at them the 'wrong' way. It's too sad to contemplate .....
And sorry, T1020, I've still no quick fix for this issue! But thanks for listening  |
It is better to die standing than to live on your knees - Ernesto Guevara de la Serna |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 11 Aug 2008 : 13:49:18
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toubab, HP and meme, i found your analysis very interesting indeed. meme, your last two paragraphs are enligtening to say the least.
it reminded of of my IT lectures in the 90's. my Egptian teacher in his introduction to the internet started talking about a 'GLOBAL VILLAGE'. me being a villager i started to feel good but how wrong i was. it was not about small villages but global connections and links. see, what Gambians are worrying about today, is the same the Americans and British are worrying about. a global problem. indescipline youths, a major problem for us all. and they can instill fear in grown men and women, they don't value life. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 11 Aug 2008 : 17:00:49
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| No one has an answer at all,hardly surprising as this subject must have been looked at by millions of people all over the world.All that I feel very strongly agains is that Bad people should not be rewarded for being bad. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Hiz Princess
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11 Aug 2008 : 19:34:21
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Toubab1020 im confused,where in the article does it mention rewards
Yes I can agree the youths setting the bush alight (because they can!!) do go unpunished is this a reward?
Many women and men find 'love' in the arms of a Gambian some are genuine and some aren't and yes the con men/woman do get some form of monetary reward but many may sacrifice a great deal.
I don't think society is rewarding these people.
There's no quick fix who would want one - just to paper over the cracks but there are answers its whether communities take these on board and tackle them head on.
Unfortunately most communities will have one or two pro active members, that is why there's no progression. |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 11 Aug 2008 : 20:14:18
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| the problems of youth of gambia and other part of the world may be similar but solutions must be different. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Hiz Princess
United Kingdom
464 Posts |
Posted - 11 Aug 2008 : 23:47:16
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| Turk in what way must they be different? |
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