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toubab1020
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 Posted - 07 Aug 2008 : 12:48:18
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I was very interested in this piece from the Point which appears to show that youths have taken over the streets on the North Bank,this is something that would never have happened in the past in Gambia,is Gambia going just like western countries where youths can do what they like, smoke weed and use other drugs, whilst the Police ignore the concerns of the local population? have parents lost control as well? OR have the youths that are out late at night been thrown out of their family compounds because they are just bad? Gambia must never let itself be taken over by those who do not benefit the country,the government must never be infiltrated by politically correct socially aware do gooders who have lead to police being unable to do their job because of politcal pressure.
http://thepoint.gm/africa/gambia/article/2008/8/6/gpf-reacts-to-curfew-story
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Its true that the Imam, Alkalo and elders of Kerewan made a delegation and met the Governor North Bank Region and lodged a complaint that people are being attacked at night and robbed of their properties and youths sitting in the streets smoking cannabis
I have just discover this in The DO perhaps the problem is getting worse and I am not the only one to pick it up.
http://observer.gm/africa/gambia/article/2008/8/5/the-youth-and-crime
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This responsibility rests on all stakeholders in the business – parents, video club owners, entertainment centres, etc. The future of a better Gambia depends on a breed of positive minded, responsible, development oriented, and peace loving youth.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Santanfara
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Posted - 07 Aug 2008 : 13:44:38
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toubab, the elders have lost control a long time ago. it is the chicken's coming home to rust. before, there use to be ccommunual dscipline. i am writing a piece on that. but things start getting belly-up; people start cuddling up to their kids too much. the demarcation between love for one's chid and stricter parenting became blurred.
if you make a mistake and told-off some one's chid, my God, that will be world war 4.
kid's are in control. the mandingos' have this saying, "nin yee hii ndiw kemansa tii, iifolo kanamo joo" (if you make your chid a king, you will be the first to pay your taxes).
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Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
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toubab1020
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Posted - 07 Aug 2008 : 13:49:38
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Santa ,how true, thanks,I look forward to more postings on this topic as youth is the future of the country ,if there are posters who feel that they represent the Politically correct lobby,
"Let them speak now or forever hold their piece"
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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MeMe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07 Aug 2008 : 16:02:58
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Originally posted by Santanfara
the mandingos' have this saying, "nin yee hii ndiw kemansa tii, iifolo kanamo joo" (if you make your chid a king, you will be the first to pay your taxes).
That is a classic saying, Santa! I call my little grandson a prince and yes, even at not quite 2 years old, he can wind me round his little finger .... so, I'll have to keep reminding myself that princes grow up to be kings and even grandmothers have to pay taxes!!    |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 07 Aug 2008 : 18:42:46
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| meme, you are funny.. start baking more cakes then. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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toubab1020
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Posted - 08 Aug 2008 : 00:57:13
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Yes let's all have another piece of cake and forget about the future of Gambia and the young people, nothing is going to happen anyway,there will still be no work for them,who wants progress anyway!
Gambia is quite nice to go back to for a vist.! |
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MeMe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08 Aug 2008 : 13:15:45
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Sorry for lowering the tone on this thread, T1020 . Of course the future of Gambia and the young people there is important. Indeed, on a purely selfish note, I find the future of young people everywhere important (it's the grandmother in me!). Unfortunately, I can't offer a quick fix or even a long-term fix suggestion.
I can only speak of my experience here in the UK and, to my mind, the problem with youths here is lack of respect. Something I think started to go wrong when discipline was taken out of schools. I'm all for freedom of individuality but there needs to be some sort of structure in a young person's life from the get-go. Not that I think it's ok for teachers to physically punish pupils but there is a line that shouldn't be crossed, however, it seems that schools (ie head teachers) worry more about league tables than about good old-fashioned education these days. I have two colleagues who are married to high school teachers and they have some stories to tell about pupils running riot and the lack of support for the teaching staff by the 'management' because the outcome could tarnish the school's reputation. For example, when a pupil who had been acting up all term and actually swore at the teacher in class was asked to apologise or go to see the headmaster - the teacher was told to **** off! The pupil was taken to the headmaster's office, the teacher made a report yet the following week that same pupil was allowed to partake in the end of term outings as if nothing had happened and the report was binned.
There is also a worrying lack of responsibility today - it's always someone else's fault! For that I blame the soaps and other rubbish fed to young people via mainstream TV. They see people weedling their way out of situations by lying, cheating and/or using money (and sometimes violence) and think that's the way forward! In some ways, this could perhaps be the same for young Gambians - UK/US films, music videos, etc all sending the same message.
People laugh at me when I say that I think they should bring back conscription as I'm not the sort of person suited to military life - question too much! - but I could bet you that it would change a generation in one fell swoop!! Could that be the way forward for the Gambia too? Just a suggestion ..... |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 08 Aug 2008 : 13:58:07
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Originally posted by MeMe
[quote]Originally posted by toubab1020
Yes let's all have another piece of cake and forget about the future of Gambia and the young people, nothing is going to happen anyway,there will still be no work for them,who wants progress anyway!
Gambia is quite nice to go back to for a vist.!
Sorry for lowering the tone on this thread, T1020 . Of course the future of Gambia and the young people there is important. Indeed, on a purely selfish note, I find the future of young people everywhere important (it's the grandmother in me!). Unfortunately, I can't offer a quick fix or even a long-term fix suggestion.
MeMe.
Thanks for that,I wasn't so concerned about the jokes that were made so don't feel bad,what I do find serious is that the attitude of NOT taking firm action against those who indulge in antisocial behaviour is spreading over the whole world like a cancer,nobody is DOING anything about it,the Westernised countries have lost the plot there is so much leglislation in place that young people know that they can do what they want and the Police,they are the people in the front line after all can do NOTHING about it because of the political pressure that has been brought to bear,your posting highlighted some of the difficulties that teachers have.The social set up in Gambia is different and the Elders are supported by the community this support must be kept and reinforced in order that the community can remain law abiding and tranquil.Very few people have posted on this topic something that I find amazing,maybe its a case of well I am OK I have no problems where I live,North Bank,? miles away nothing happens there anyway.I dont understand why posters are not interested in local topics but prefer to post on things that are happening in other countries.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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MeMe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08 Aug 2008 : 14:42:39
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I'm not sure why nobody else is posting on this either but I don't think it's a case of 'not my problem' though ... I suppose it's often easier to have an opinion on/discussion over a larger issue as you're not then expected to provide a solution? Who knows?
What do you feel about compulsory military service, T1020? Would that change anything do you think? |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 08 Aug 2008 : 14:53:04
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| If the military gave good training in skills ( driving,carpentry,welding,building etc) as well as fighting AND paid those conscrips a fair wage then Yes, I am in favour of that. If you are a poor country without money and correct and good training methods,then I am afraid that although the conscripts would benefit from comradeship,I feel that they become "authorised thugs" along the lines of Mugabeys' men,the problem would then move from one place to another. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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MeMe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08 Aug 2008 : 15:07:14
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That's a fair point, I suppose. Not sure then what it would take for these demoralised youths to wake up - education perhaps, show them that there is more to life than drugs and petty crime? But I suppose you then hit the 'education for what?' wall with that one, eh? What about signing them up for Yaya's farming initiative or would that turn out the same way as being in the army??
It's definitely a tough one to answer for sure ...... |
It is better to die standing than to live on your knees - Ernesto Guevara de la Serna |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 08 Aug 2008 : 15:39:52
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| I think that the question that has to be asked, Wake up for what? demorilised is the absolutly correct word to use,The farming concept might work there is plenty of labour available in the form of the youths I know, but what concerns me would your concept turn out to be just free labour with no pay,"We are teaching you how to farm,we will not pay you of course" People who work for no pay are called what? You know the answer,so thats not right either,yep... big problem like all problems about money.Education I am afraid is another "for what? syndrome.No jobs at the end of it. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Santanfara
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Posted - 08 Aug 2008 : 18:41:59
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| meme and toubab, good postings. i shall post my analysis tommorow. but don't expect to see gambians jumping at socail discussion. we are more active with politics and the likes. mind your business seem to have taken a firm root in our society. my points will be dealing a system of descipline known as kabila. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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toubab1020
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Posted - 08 Aug 2008 : 19:06:26
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Look forward to that Santa,and thanks for the analysis of Gambian thought patterns,that makes things a little bit easier for me to understand at least.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Hiz Princess
United Kingdom
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Posted - 09 Aug 2008 : 23:26:33
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Maybe the despondency over this posting is that the subject has been touched on recently.
Theres an old saying 'it takes a whole village it raise a child ' but it also takes a whole village to educate and nurture a child by demonising the youth you are alienating them.Alienation leads to resentment and distrust.
Anti social Behaviour has been on the increase in Gambia in the past few years up country as much as in town I don't think its productive to repeat my posting from an earlier thread
This subject has been researched over and over again across the 5 continents and still the same solutions are wheeled out to tackle the causes of anti-social behaviour again and again yet still seem unachievable; in lay- mans turns look for preventative measures and diversionary activities. In order to change this behaviour there needs to be a sense of self worth/esteem and confidence.
Investment is the key investment in terms of time and education but not at the adolescent stage but in early years I don't think its the youth that needs 'waking up' .
As for politics isn't the core of politics social and power relations I don't see how this is not the issue here |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 09 Aug 2008 : 23:52:03
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Hiz,touched on recently,OK point me there please,reserched over and over again,yes,but thats all, nothing has been done except,"I know lets give them a social worker or on holiday to Africa or the West Indies that will do the trick" You say Hiz "in lay- mans turns look for preventative measures and diversionary activities. In order to change this behaviour there needs to be a sense of self worth/esteem and confidence."
Why reward those people who have been antisocial absoloute rubbish,In westernised countries let them join the Army,Oh no cannot do that we might infringe their human rights if they don't want to go,anyway, we want graduates in the Army to fire missles,drivers bricklays logistics too expensive get a private contractor to do it.I would agree with you when you say "Investment is the key investment in terms of time and education but not at the adolescent stage but in early years I don't think its the youth that needs 'waking up'"
Because by the time they become adolescents the damage has been done by namby pamby policies
As exemplified by your last sentence "As for politics isn't the core of politics social and power relations I don't see how this is not the issue here"
Bad people are Bad and should not be rewarded for being bad.Youths Men and Women.Yes be punished,there was a time recently where some councils in the UK directed that their schools should not hold races where there was competition,In that case who would win? yes you have got it in their thinking EVERBODY in the "race".
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