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dbaldeh
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 Posted - 16 Jul 2008 : 10:19:50
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The arrest warrant issued by the Prosecutor in Hague to arrest the Sundanese sitting President certainly signals an interesting turn of events for African leaders.
Is it justified to arrest such brutal leaders for masterminding or atleast overseeing genocide committed under their watch?
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/07/11/africa/sudan.php
Is this a new dawn for the world body the UN to combat senseless killings of innocent civilians by brutal leaders?
Can Afican leaders argue to the contrary that if they are subject to such arrest, why not subject people like George Bush who mastermind the Iraq war which resulted in killings of thousands? Where do we draw the line?
From a personal view, it is long overdue for the world body to put in place policies to defend the defenseless especially the poor in Africa. African leaders cannot not and must not be allowed to supress their people forever and ever without an end is sight.
As a matter of fact, such policies are long overdue to combat not only political supression but also to cover economic crimes. The world is too integrated to let dictators like Omar Al Basier lead their nation to ruins.
What is your take???
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Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
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kayjatta
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Posted - 16 Jul 2008 : 10:52:56
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| I have personally been very excited about the issuing of an arrest warrant for El Bashir. It is long over due... |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 Jul 2008 : 11:04:46
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| Another warrant should also be issued for George Bush, Tony Blair,Ehud Olmert, Yoweri Museveni , Mwai Kibaki |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 16 Jul 2008 : 12:30:31
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| Bush and Blair should not be arrested. The war on terror is a just war... |
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MeMe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 Jul 2008 : 12:35:08
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Originally posted by MADIBA
Another warrant should also be issued for George Bush, Tony Blair,Ehud Olmert, Yoweri Museveni , Mwai Kibaki
Quel surprise!      |
It is better to die standing than to live on your knees - Ernesto Guevara de la Serna |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jul 2008 : 13:24:22
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Originally posted by MeMe
Quel surprise!
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jul 2008 : 15:30:47
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| Oh, I see...we can hold the likes of Al Bashir accountable, but not the likes of Bush and Blair. How hypocritical...This warrant is not only laughable, but a complete waste of time and an insult to the people of Sudan. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 Jul 2008 : 15:56:41
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Originally posted by kayjatta
Bush and Blair should not be arrested. The war on terror is a just war...
Kay are you that much assimilated? |
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MeMe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 Jul 2008 : 16:03:43
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Originally posted by mansasulu
Oh, I see...we can hold the likes of Al Bashir accountable, but not the likes of Bush and Blair. How hypocritical...This warrant is not only laughable, but a complete waste of time and an insult to the people of Sudan.
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MeMe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 Jul 2008 : 16:05:06
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| Madiba are you that BORED? |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 16 Jul 2008 : 16:22:42
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An arrest warrant, great,by the time anyone gets around to actually arresting this person and bringing him before a fully convened court many more thousands of people will die and the world will shrug its shoulders and say we have issued an arrest warrant what else do you want us to do?
As usual its all talk and no action.
Mansasulu you will be a witness for the defence I assume.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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MeMe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 Jul 2008 : 16:42:45
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Oh, (s)he will be too busy having tea with Madiba and Robert Mugabe   (tin hat time again methinks  maybe we should buy another one?) |
It is better to die standing than to live on your knees - Ernesto Guevara de la Serna |
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lurker
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Posted - 16 Jul 2008 : 16:58:12
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same old, same old,.
apologist africans defending tryrant africans because the west get involved and they hate the west.nothing about the fact that this b-=stard sends his troops in to kill hundreds of thousands of their own black african brothers. i suppose this is another heinous effect of the west's existence as well. it is pathetic. some people are so absorbed with hatred and loathing that they forget that mothers , fathers and children, just like their own, are being slaughtered by one of their own - and for what? or maybe they just like to hate AND DO NOT KNOW HOW TO LOVE!!!!!
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jambo
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Posted - 16 Jul 2008 : 17:39:25
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the people of sudan deserve a better future then the one that is on offer someone has to be held accountable for the coutry situation, it starts at the top. Arrest bush/blair if you want, we can at lease walk free and have freedom of press.
Take a hard look at sudan and admit it is time for change, how long has he been in pwer. |
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mansasulu
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Posted - 16 Jul 2008 : 17:43:08
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| Lurker, the point is many more warrants should be issued. What I see here is a case of selective enforcement...some consistency please...People all over deserve better leaders and futures, not just Sudan. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
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lurker
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Posted - 16 Jul 2008 : 18:01:31
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jambo - spot on!
manasa- lots of criminals are running countries.like zimbabwe, sudan, n. korea, etc etc.
there is a difference between engaging in an unpopular war or ethnically cleansing your own countrymen - or do you think not?
of course there has to be consistency, i agree. that is a hard thing in this world of ours. but one also has to differentiate between different levels of tyranny. Someone has to stasrt somewhere, at the rank and base bottom, and clean out the filth.
When the other tyrants realise that there will be blood, but this time there own, they will fall in line and control their own versions of tyranny, at whatever leave they exist.
I do not believe that bush/blair can be accused of operating at the same level against their own countrymen as sudan/zim/etc.(my own opinion). you may choose to loathe their foreign policy. the world is crap, alas.
but these debates often start with a complaint against an african nation, which then gets defended by people like you by having a go at the rest of the world- and you may or may not be right.
but you have not dealt with the issue raised, just deflected it onto someone else.
Dbaldeh has twice asked about action against african dictators and twice he gets africans changing the subject and having ago at everybody except the people he has mentioned.
why can you not say.." there are other bad people, yes, but this is the acknowledged truth about this african dictator and this is what we should do." this is what the questioner asks. not..how many naughty people are there in the world, to justify the acceptance of one of your own being a tyrant.please stop defending one ****** by naming as many others as you can think of.it solves nothing, no matter if you are right or wrong.
do you think an arrest warrant for this particular man is justified?
well....? do you?
and why is it an insult to the people of sudan? how else do you suggest you start to save the lives of those remaining black african sudanese?
an arrest warrant may be a paper tiger, but if you don't think it is serious, what is the way to save their lives.
i see njucks raging on about darfur in almost every post. where is his/her constructive solution? all we get is anti-west polemic. it solves nothing and is a broken old record by now.
can somebody in africa please wake up and look forwards and make plans instead of backwards and sulking.
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