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lurker
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 Posted - 22 Jun 2008 : 19:52:44
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bbc news now reporting that the the MDC have withdrawn from the zimbabwean re-run of the election, stating that they cannot hold an election where voting could actually cost the voter's life. Mugabe has said friday that god appointed him, that a gun is more powerful than a pen and that no election will stop him from retaining power. so what is the point of having an election in such conditions? asks the MDC..and others.
is this a wrong choice? should people be denied the chance to vote, or is it such a futile farce that there is no longer any point in hoping for democracy to prevail?
Mugabe now wins by default.
Zimbabwe is finished.
or , maybe , this is a clever plan by the mDc to force SADC and the rest of the world to finally do something about this murderous monster.
this image of him as a revered liberator is a bit beyond recalling now. now, he is nothing of the sort. Now he is a monster.now he is a destroyer of people, his own people, and of a once beautiful country.
what can be done, what should be done, what will be done , to give the half of the country who did not support him some hope of a life in the future. They are having their lips cut off, their women raped, their genitals removed, their eyes gouged out and being burned alive. This is indisputable.
How many of you on this bantaba who disagreed with my views on the previous threads "hero or villain" actually still feel that this man is to be revered and to be left to his own devices. How many of you still will go on about a neo-colonialist plot? i am afraid that i feel that this is way beyond any such theories. This is despicable in any language or culture and needs to be stopped.how?
what could be the solution. unity governments, amnesties from trials, graceful exits? is this the only way, as some of today's papers would suggest?
Mbeki , who could remove him, won't.
SADC remain awkwardly placed . cannot forget his deeds , but cannot bring themselves to stop his genocide.
pathetic, really.
i do not want to open another debate about the man himself.
i would ask that people come up with their own feelings about how Zim CAN BE SAVED.
ANY IDEAS?
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kaanibaa
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Jun 2008 : 21:12:17
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| I cry for the poor people who now must by force accept tyranny to prevail.There is a God and surely will come to the aid of his people unless they are damned and I feel sure that they are not.Shame on Mbeki he was not fit to replace Madiba our dear leader Nelson Mandela,the greatest of the great |
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lurker
509 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jun 2008 : 21:35:12
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| mbeki is the weakest man in the history of african leadership-my opinion. |
Edited by - lurker on 23 Jun 2008 07:49:21 |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 23 Jun 2008 : 08:27:32
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Mbeki (and SADC) can pressurize Mugabe, but Mbeki alone cannot really do much. Zimbabwe is a sovereign country. How can Mbeki remove him?
Mugabe will remain a hero for his leadership in ending colonialism in his country. Unfortunatley he will also be remembered as a 'monster' for his recent role destroying the economy and the people of his country. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Mugabe's actions lately, as horrible as they are, cannot justify colonialism. I think his actions and conduct should be fairly weighed against Zimbabwe's current economy and politics rather than against the back drop of its history. But perhaps that is an exercise in futility. Perhaps Zimbabwe is entirely its history.
I am tempted to ask whether Lurker has an economic or political interest in Zimbabwe?
I am also tempted to take seriously whether Mugabe's argument that MDC has an imperialist agenda has substance to it?
These are mere questions, they do not presume anything though. |
Edited by - kayjatta on 23 Jun 2008 08:29:07 |
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lurker
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Posted - 23 Jun 2008 : 09:22:52
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Kay, i have no economic interest in Zim (who is left who does these days?), other than the 800 zim dollars i left there in 1998-now worth less than zip- or political interest other than i used to live there, love the place dearly and cry, like you, for the lovely people i met and worked amongst who are being tortured into submission by a madman.
i do not think that the issue of colonialism can be brought into the mix for the use of violence as he is using it. people can bring it up with regards to the political evolution of th country, sure. it is embedded.
but this is about retention of power by any means, keeping the snout in the trough. tyranny, period. it would be naive to let mugabe persuade anyone that the methods he uses have anything to do with colonial past.that the mdc are going to reinstate the white farmers etc etc. that is irrelevant to the issue of the violence and the blatant prevention of democratic process for fear of being voted out.
this is the man who said " i have a degree in violence". he is a murderer.that's all. |
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mansasulu
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Posted - 23 Jun 2008 : 15:14:10
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| Lurker, you mean you left 800 million zim dollars in Zimbabwe? I wonder how much that was worth in 1998? Wow...that explains a lot of your obsession with Mugabe and Zimbabwe. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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lurker
509 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jun 2008 : 15:44:42
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| lol.! 800, without the million. it was worth 180 pounds then! |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jun 2008 : 18:33:45
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quote:
Originally posted by lurker
lol.! 800, without the million. it was worth 180 pounds then!
Ooops... my bad and my apologies!
I think the MDC's pulling out is more of a case of forcing the international community to do something about Zimbabwe. I know someone's (co worker) brother who used to own a crop dusting business in Zimbabwe. He and his wife have since left since things got messy. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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lurker
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Posted - 23 Jun 2008 : 18:57:38
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| i think you are right. it was partially designed to try and exert pressure on the region imparticular to do something. |
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