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Janko
Gambia
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 Posted - 03 Jun 2008 : 19:16:14
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I was told, (as a child) that on the “day of judgement” the only language that would be spoken is Arabic. I could not understand then nor do I understand now; that my language is inferior.
Therefore, I kindly ask our Islamic connoisseurs to enlighten us on the issue of language pertaining to the “day of judgement”.
Let those who know please tell us who don’t know.
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Edited by - Janko on 03 Jun 2008 19:19:08 |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 03 Jun 2008 : 20:25:47
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| janko, interesting. that was a common saying back then. knowledge as we know evolve and our early gambian preachers have some limited understanding of issues pertaining to islam. the last thing that a human being should worry about is his mode of communicating with God or his angels. whatever language one speaks, the angels can understand it. what is of paramount important is the verse in the quran that explicitly state that " we are created into races and tribes'' into nations. we are also of different colour and different manners and attitudes. the central believe is that of our difference,this is for us to understand the power of God's creation. and that we are not superior to one another ,that is why the common saying that "the best among you men/women is those who possess good character and God conciousness. this can be a mandinka,fula,arab,pasian,turk,english,german etc. in paradise, it stated that we will leave in communities,people will have the choice of any thing they desire. if you wish to speak in mandinka ,there you have it. the choices are unlimited. arabic is emphasise for muslims because it is the language that the Quran is written in. it is the language we use to offer the five daily salah or prayer. but other supplications can be offered in your mother tongue. like asking God for favour etc. understanding what is called quranic arabic is important. all translation aren't perfect so if one undertstand the quran in arabic, it is more useful then. but janko, paradise have no equivalent. no sadness, no more death, joy and pleasure forever. also ,the power of God is greater than leting you worry about not being able to speak in the language of choice in paradise. you can be inspired with the click of a finger. just like you don't hear your blood moving in you. you don't labour in breathing when in perfect health. similarly, if arabic should be the labguage of the day, it will be made easy, if it is spanish or french same. but concentrate on the unlimited choices you will have.thanks . |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 03 Jun 2008 : 20:58:46
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Santanfara, thanks
For not only the dynamics but also an insightful elaboration.
My coranic-teacher, in Secondary High told me that one can pray in ones language; therefore GOD Mightiest of the mighty is the Creator of all…everything, every single one, every bit, the entirety?
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kayjatta
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Posted - 03 Jun 2008 : 22:58:00
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I do not see why one cannot pray in one's own language if the translation is available. The reason the Quran is in Arabic is because Muhammed's (pbum) medium of communication to his people was arabic, but what was 'revealed' to him may not have been in arabic or in any language form. It might have just been inspired.Furthermore, those who subsequently compiled the Holy book could have only done so in arabic since that was their medium of communication.
Therefore, as part of our much-talked-about cultural liberation, we might want to create our indigenous language versions of the Quran. Until then Islamization appears to go hand-in-hand with arabization... |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 03 Jun 2008 : 23:47:38
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Janko,
Thanks for raising a pertinent issue.
All i will do is to be brief and come back to it in much detail with the help of Allah.
There were some half-baked oustasses all over the places, who misled many by their hardline approach. Allah is too great not to understand any language on this planet. Some of these oustasses mixed facts and opinions to give the false impression that they learned. They exaggerrated in a nutshell.
When doing ones salah(Prayers) it is ayahs(verses) that must be recited. These are arabic texts. It is desired to recited them in arabic, but surely Allah understands all languages. One outass used to explain that point jokingly, saying when the worst happens, one could just say SAMBA KNOWS ALLAH AND ALLAH KNOWS SAMBA .
It is not abt arabization of the muslims.
Kay,
The Quran came in Arabic. Allah testifies this fact in the early chapters of the quran, where He says "surely We sent down the Quran in the Arabic language".
Time permitting i will come back to this in much detail. |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 04 Jun 2008 : 18:51:59
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This is a critaical topic.
I was also told the same. That prayer has to be and must be in Arabic. I wondered how long it will take one to learn new language and then be able to pray.
Anyway, i think better educated ones should help us. I dont want to thread on sacred grounds. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 04 Jun 2008 : 21:55:03
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Very good points indeed. The following verse in the Quran below is very much relevant to this topic. In Quran Chapter 41:44 Allah Says:
And if We had sent this as a Qur'ân in a foreign language (other than Arabic), they would have said: "Why are not its Verses explained in detail (in our language)? What! (A Book) not in Arabic and (the Messenger) an Arab?" Say: "It is for those who believe, a guide and a healing. And as for those who disbelieve, there is heaviness (deafness) in their ears, and it (the Qur'ân) is blindness for them. They are those who are called from a place far away (so they neither listen nor understand). |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 05 Jun 2008 : 20:05:42
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Thanks, mansasulu for the passage
Please put the passage in plain words for us with limitation in the field.
It is for those who believe, (They are those who are called from a place far away (so they neither listen nor understand.)
Those who are (called from a place)far away from (unable to speak) the Arabic language would not understand it and therefore has no reason to listen, does that make them disbelievers.
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mansasulu
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Posted - 05 Jun 2008 : 21:11:51
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I think it is very much self explanatory if you read it in its entirety, instead of cutting and mixing. It is only one verse.
"They are those who are called from a place far away (so they neither listen nor understand)." is a similitude of those who disbelieve in the ayat of Allah not those who dont speak arabic or from a distant place.
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"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jun 2008 : 22:24:29
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quote:
Originally posted by mansasulu
I think it is very much self explanatory if you read it in its entirety, instead of cutting and mixing. It is only one verse.
"They are those who are called from a place far away (so they neither listen nor understand)." is a similitude of those who disbelieve in the ayat of Allah not those who dont speak arabic or from a distant place.
I must have misunderstood, am just trying to get the point you are making with the passage in this context. Does language matter in understanding ones religion? |
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mbay
Germany
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Posted - 05 Jun 2008 : 23:01:47
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Needle on the head? No should not be ,Quran is not a language of mankind.
Allah knows the best, Don't one understand that Allah has proofs this language for its basic? .
HE says. If you means receptively by Praying to me, If that be from your hart / mind or tongue I will answer to it. Which means in any language of this world for Him belongs to everything.
There is many reason why we have pray in this Nobel language (Quran).
He says. If you put a singly letter of holy book on one side of a balance and the universe on the other will not move it even in size of eyebrow.
We have two praying. One that belong to Allah (which MOST to be in His Noble language ) and one for our own personal propose which most not be in His language but in any. whether that be just in thinking /action or through the hart He Welcome every prays.
What is the head reason of the lingua (communications)?
What we knows today about a English as world language then what Has Allah means with the Quran- language?
What we needs at the migration of hereafter is not a language but good visa. That is the language of mankind and that is what we all will speak, if that be a colloquial/grammatical or slang will be clear on that day.
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jun 2008 : 10:36:18
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quote:
Originally posted by mbay
Needle on the head? No should not be ,Quran is not a language of mankind.
HE says. If you means receptively by Praying to me, If that be from your hart / mind or tongue I will answer to it. Which means in any language of this world for Him belongs to everything.
There is many reason why we have pray in this Nobel language (Quran).
We have two praying. One that belong to Allah (which MOST to be in His Noble language ) and one for our own personal propose which most not be in His language but in any. whether that be just in thinking /action or through the hart He Welcome every prays.
What makes one language noble and an other inferior? |
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mbay
Germany
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Posted - 06 Jun 2008 : 16:08:27
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Janko. language inferior?
Since colour doesnt matter to Him i think there will be the same with language. But as He says: And do not follow (blindly) any information of which you have no (direct) knowledge. (Using your faculties of perception and conception, you must verify it for yourself. (In the Court of your Lord,) you will be held accountable for your hearing, sight, and the faculty of reasoning."[17:36]
Am not talking about Normal Arabic language/manlikeh or Serraxouleh, There is no subordinate for me between them but i will disagree between the languages of Quranic and others, I speak normal Arabic and I don't care about it.
But alone that it is the language of Allah, As Muslim i took it as noble and higher than any.
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jun 2008 : 16:18:21
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Being able to speak/understand a language (in this case, ARABIC)is no doubt important in fully understanding one's religion, but it is not a requirement to follow the most basic principles and the minimunm requirements of Islam. However, it is highly encouraged for muslims to make a concerted effort to learn Arabic, just as we all saw it important to learn the english language, french etc. In order to fully comprehend the message Allah sent to mankind, arguably the most important letter sent to mankind, we should make it a priority.
Arabic is a noble language because Allah choose to communicate with his prophet with it. So too is Aramaic, Hebrew, and any language Allah choose to communicate with his messengers in the past. Now, that does not mean Serer, Mandinka, Jola, Creole, Igbo, Yoruba, Zulu etc are inferior languages.
The reason we have to pray in Arabic is that, it is the language of the messenger who was charged with conveying that message. It is just obvious that those who follow the message are expected to keep it as it was brought to them and pass it along. We all know how a message can change when multiple conveyors are involved even if they all speak the same language.
Being able to speak Arabic alone does not mean that one understands the Quran. In otherwords, there are people who speak Arabic and dont understand the Quran. The most important thing that is required in understanding the Quran is the firm understanding of the historical context in which the verses of the Quran were revealed. Remember, the Quran was revealed in piece meal (as situations warrant). Today the Quran is translated in many languages (I know a brother who is working on a mandinka translation).
The translation of the Quran in English that most of rely on today, is a mere translation of the Quran, not the Quran per say, so actual meanings are bound to be lost in the process. There are many times that we read the translation of the Quran in English and we fail to understand what we are reading, so an undesrstanding of the historical context is a prequisite of understanding the Quran. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
Edited by - mansasulu on 06 Jun 2008 16:27:48 |
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jun 2008 : 17:54:34
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Thanks; Mbay, mansasulu, for your greatly appreciated efforts to enlighten laymen, like me.
I observe comparing Arabic with English and French does not do justice to our languages which is the basis of the discursion. Secondly the function of English and French are different from the function of Arabic.
Would you kindly elaborate on the relationship between Aramaic, Arabic and Hebrew and the relationship between the religions they represent?
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mansasulu
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Posted - 06 Jun 2008 : 18:36:10
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I believe they are all part of the semetic languages group that traces it origins to the beginnings of humanity. Isa's [Jesus](AS) language was Aramaic, Musa's [Moses](AS) hebrew and Muhammad (SAW)was arabic. All three are semitic languages, and all three messengers brought monotheistic religions, and all three messengers' lineage is traced back to Ibrahim [Abraham](AS)
I hope our brothers and sisters will a greater knowledge of languages will shed more light on these languages. From what I read, the number of people speaking aramaic today is dwindling. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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