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 Posted - 08 Apr 2006 : 02:48:07
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Hi Njuks and Kondorong,
Below is the edited version of your discussion yesterday.
Reply author: njucks
Replied on: 06 Apr 2006 22:47:34
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Originally posted by kondorong
I am suprised that people still believe in the spirits.
i guess anyone who believes in any religion must believe in spirits!.
you will be very surprised, this type of thinking is widespread even amongst educated people. ofcourse in a democracy people have the right to think and believe as well as practice anything they want. but you will notice that, this type of thing has/is always reported in the ' passed tense ' and by third parties ALL THE TIME!!
Every now and then you even see on the local newspapers, sadly, of panic stories like 'genital snatchers' and these silly stories even provotes a response from the Police!! but we never see a victim or are told where next its going to happen.
but other times its due to desperation especially where a family member is sick with terminal diseases like Cancer, or genetic diseases and the local health system doesnt have the resources to diagnose it or do anything. then you often hear people say '' we have tried everything including 'Lopitan ah garabi nikunulle''
when i was younger, and we travelled to the Provinces there was always a village i think its Pakali ba or nding where a great marabout used to cure ' madness'! think his name was Buiba and he was very successful in attracting patients.
perhaps with more education and greater acceptance of science these things will disappear.
i should stop before my hands freeze on the keyboard, for i have touched it
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Reply author: kondorong
Replied on: 06 Apr 2006 23:04:41
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YOU ARE REALLY FUNNY. I have also noticed one thing about witchcraft. Mostly people who are accused of being witches in the neighborhoods are those down trodden poorest of the poor. They usually have no family standing in the community or are extremely poor. I have never heard of a chief or Alkalo who is a witch or some business man.
Can you dilate on this Njucks.
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Reply author: njucks
Replied on: 07 Apr 2006 00:25:56
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i don't understand what you mean but i agree, absolutely, i have also never heard of a chief/alkali or rich/powerful person being associated with witchcraft! who would dare!!
every society blames it problems on the poorest/weakest! its human nature i guess. but the opposite is also true. people who make it in our society are sometimes credited with having 'supernatural powers' in a positive sense!
a good example to answer your question is the Malian tycoon, Babanding Cissoko. during his time in The Gambia mystifying ignorant people he was said to 'lukoss halis' or money doubling etc.
i will tell you another story i read on the observer some years back (always the Daily Observer). this marabout made a ''bullet proof thing'' for this Officer and to guarantee his work, they decided to test it. it didnt WORK, of course. i cant remember who was wounded.
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Reply author: kondorong
Replied on: 07 Apr 2006 00:37:22
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Certainly not the Marabout because he will not try it on himself. A similar thing happended in bansang when someone stabbed himself to see if the knife will penetrate. It did and his intestine came out. I dont think he survived it.
I rememeber babanding the magician. He left with millions of owed bills to the gambia especially the GCAA and GIA. The hotel was also a rip-off and inherited all his problems. People used to sleep out side his hotel to get some money. I have never believed in free lunch because mali needed his help more than Gambia. But not many people saw what was coming. he had an old 747 which had a history of mid air accident in which the cabin door opened and shocked some passengers out. he bought this plane which was a safety concern and sometimes brought in Russian aircraft to bring in passengers from the Hajj. Gambia is a joke and you can easily pull wool over peoples faces.
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Ebra
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Posted - 08 Apr 2006 : 06:02:02
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Originally posted by njucks
when i was younger, and we travelled to the Provinces there was always a village i think its Pakali ba or nding where a great marabout used to cure ' madness'! think his name was Buiba and he was very successful in attracting patients.
Njuks the person you are talking about is Jamanty Touray. He used to live in Buiba and cures insane people. There were many of those insane people who are been cured by him later transfer to Jassong. These people also farm for Jassong Touray as a kind of paying back for job. I have never seen a single person who says that he/she is been charge for the service perfomed by this great Marabout of Buiba. There were over five hundred people living in way or the other through him before his death in 1991 or 1992. He comes from Jassong so lately people call him JASSONG TOURAY. One thing I know about him is that he will never give anybody charms(JUJUS). He usually pray for people. He was basically trying to teach the community about Islam. He had spirit and he was able to utilized it in a positive way. There was nothing like people going there saying that their relative had been curse by a witchcraft. Jassong Touray, during his annual gamo once said that there is nothing like witchcraft. He said that normally people will accuse the person who is poor/has less relatives. He infact said those who called themselves witchcraft doctors let them first drink the herbs they normally give to the accuse and see the outcome. |
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kondorong
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Posted - 10 Apr 2006 : 17:53:34
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| Those herbs have now been proofed by science to contain chemicals that induce hallucinations and anyone who drinks it will behave in the same way. It was far more common in the MAYA and AZTEC cultures in latin America. Some people have exploited their n\knowledge of the properties of some trees to their advanatage to claim power that is infact in the chemical composition of the herbs. Education will free all of us. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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bamba
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Posted - 10 Apr 2006 : 19:05:49
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Jasong Tourays Koranic prayers to his insane patients were his psycho-therapy sessions. His herbs were his prescribed medications. These are the combinations that even today cure mental patients. Modern drugs are mostly processed herbs.
Neither the koran nor the Bible can cure any sick person. Both books were used to usurp black minds. If there is paradise after death, the Koran or the Bible will not be on its library shelves. |
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salimina
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Posted - 10 Apr 2006 : 19:11:22
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| Bamba, i dont want to subscribe to this topic but i think i need to help you people.Knowledge is a verse area. There are a lot of cowboys in this trade but there are exceptional few who can do wonders. I have seen it with my eyes. Is no magic. |
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bamba
Sweden
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Posted - 10 Apr 2006 : 19:27:25
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| Salimina,humans have varying degrees of mental power and some can do wonders. The "cowboys" in the trade are experts in cheating others thru scam schemes. There are people who can captivate other peoples minds. Usually, minds under cativation can be easily moulded. |
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salimina
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Posted - 10 Apr 2006 : 19:33:57
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| You are talking about jason toure but i dont know much about him.But in late 70`s i had witnessed some one who can cure mental health patients within a week. Is no story, i have seen it.But the old man died now. |
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bamba
Sweden
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Posted - 10 Apr 2006 : 19:38:04
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| Sometimes, on the way to my house doctor am half cured. Do u get the psychology behind? |
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salimina
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Posted - 10 Apr 2006 : 19:50:28
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| Bamba, definitely i dont believe in this things as well.I have been out of it for quite a long time.But the one am telling you is a real real story.This old man is a genius.He was so good with the agressive ones.Some of the patients comes with ropes on there hands ands legs. Ver very dangerous ones indeed.The old man will just get up and walk towards the car advice them to untied them.And he will recite certain verses and call the patient with his name to follow him in his house.I mean patients whom no one has the gut to get close to.However dangerous the patient is within a week he/she will be cured. |
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serenata
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Posted - 10 Apr 2006 : 20:20:18
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I agree with Bamba (isn't that too nice of me  ?). Traditional healing methods should not be disposed, they excel in combination with scientific methods. Many 'brujos' (traditional healers) in South America are practising this successfully.
Hubert Fichte wrote very interesting books on traditional (psychiatric) healing in Africa, one of them is 'Psyche'; I hope it is available in English. Fichte points out that traditional African healers even invented something like psychoanalysis, long before Sigmund Freud had the slightest idea of it. |
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bamba
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Posted - 10 Apr 2006 : 20:25:15
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| Mental patients have lucid intervals, maybe that's the time the old man comes in to win their confidence. I told u some can perfom miracles, didnt I? |
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taalibeh
Gambia
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Posted - 10 Apr 2006 : 22:58:44
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Ebra, you are right about this marabout in Buiba. Even in North Bank people heard about him. Is'nt it great that people like this are helping people with what has been gifted to them by THE ALMIGHTY ALLAH without asking for payment.
Even if a payment is to be sought, it should be modest. But what other marabouts are charging now is unbelievable. You will hear people saying some marabouts will ask up to £1,000. This is funny. I will rather send the money to my Dad. No question about that.
This is a lucretive business and this is how most people perceived it to be. Get out of job today and then turn into a marabout. They make business cards now. LAUGHTER!!! |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 10 Apr 2006 : 23:02:24
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| AND DRIVE THE MOST FLASHY CARS. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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Sitasungo
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Posted - 11 Apr 2006 : 00:24:23
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Hay my brothers stop making foolish noises about the powers of some people.If you have faith in what ever religion,that faith's God so do give certain powers to certain peoples.Look at your fingers and if they are equal, then people can be equal.
how many of you have seen at the circumcision arena the circumciser counting the peope to be circumcised and bringing the same number of small oranges.when he cuts one orange, one boy will be circumcised.Do you call that also magic?If any of you A. brothers want to be westernised, be westernised.We will always be Africans and our beliefs will continue to be strong.
Though I can agree with you about some Marabouts, but belief it or not, some of them are gifted by God.
If muslims believed that Muhammad went on the mirrage up in the sky to receive God's commandments,and the Christians belief that Jesus walked on water,then why can't you belief that God can bless some with powers to cure madness?
Come-on wake up if you are sleeping.You might have stayed too long in Europe or America come home now.(laughs) |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 11 Apr 2006 : 00:49:56
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Sitasungo
The types being discussed here are far different from the likes of Jasong. Those traditional healers lived very modest lives. The ones on the throne now are business men with business cards and going on marketing campaigns. It has become a company for some people and Bun Jeng advised against it. peole have to work and earn a living rather than pulling wool over our faces.
If someone wants to make you President, may be he should do it for himself first of his daughter or son. yet, we are fooled to believe that this is possible. Effort is what counts. Drinking the magic water will never make you president. Infact the marabout did not even know that there was a coup in the making. It shows how some have played on our ignorance and weaknesses. If wishes were horses, beggars would ride. ' SU KOBO AMON GALAJ TAKA SI NDIGGA |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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Sitasungo
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Posted - 11 Apr 2006 : 00:58:36
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Oh kondorong,
You are perfectly right about marabouts as I said earlier on I agree with that aspectof it I very well know a marabout cannot make anybody president or unmake any one though some of them can make you suffer and bless you.But I belief if they have power to make presidents,their families will rule forever.This is true with morney doublers,if they can make someone a millionnier,they will be trillioniers themselves first then their families then their neighbours, then maybe you but not you first. |
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