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Momodou
Denmark
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 Posted - 29 Apr 2008 : 22:36:18
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Muslims fight for pigs' rights
Danish imam Abdul Wahid Petersen and several other Muslims have started a group, 'Muslims for Danish pigs' rights', to show that Muslims have a lot more on their minds than headscarves, reports public broadcaster DR.
'As Muslims, we think about a lot more things than we're normally associated with,' he told DR.
He explained that Muslims believed they had a religious obligation to the world they were a part of. And since
pigs were part of the world, they were there to look after them.
Courtesy of Copenhagen Post
Published 25.04.08
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A clear conscience fears no accusation - proverb from Sierra Leone |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 29 Apr 2008 : 22:59:44
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Wonders never cease. Pigs rights? |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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mbay
Germany
1007 Posts |
Posted - 02 May 2008 : 17:59:05
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| Pigs right ? |
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toubab1020
12314 Posts |
Posted - 02 May 2008 : 18:09:10
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quote:
Originally posted by mbay
Pigs right ?
Yep.......... pigs!! |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Momodou
Denmark
11828 Posts |
Posted - 02 May 2008 : 19:02:51
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Yes pigs
Today the animal rights law allows that pigs, as the only animal, can be castrated without being anaesthetized first.
Currently 13 million male-pigs are castrated yearly in Denmark.
The reasons for the castration is said to avoid the risk of developing an unpleasant boar smell and – taste in the meat.
Piglets ought not to be exposed to painful castrations without anesthesia according to people who are against this kind of treatment.
23-25 million pigs are produced (slaughtered) annually in Denmark.
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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
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Posted - 03 May 2008 : 14:55:01
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| IT will be sheep's right next in December(TOBASKI). |
There is no god but Allah |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 05 May 2008 : 18:24:23
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Lemontime,
I met a muuslim who is even questioning why we kill animals for sacrifice like Tobaski or naming ceremonies.
Wonders never cease. Lets see, you are right, the next thing will be the righst of sheep not to be slaughtered for TOBASKI.
Personally, religion is a private matter but i believe the animal rights are winning the cause.
My only problem is i like to hunt Guniea Fowls. I hope they will let me do that. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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black orchid
United Kingdom
74 Posts |
Posted - 05 May 2008 : 19:19:15
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"A good deed done to an animal is as meritorious as a good deed done to a human being, while an act of cruelty to an animal is a bad as an act of cruelty to a human being.”—Prophet Mohammed
“There is not an animal on the earth, nor a flying creature on two wings, but they are people like unto you.”—Islam. Qur’an
I found these quotes on the internet, as I am not a Muslim, can anyone verify that the prophet Mohammed actually said this. Thanx |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05 May 2008 : 20:10:38
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I am a semi vegetarian. I eat NO meat or meat products, but I do eat fish.
ALL animals have the right to be humanely kept and slaughtered.
I don't agree with ANY killing of animals for SPORT.  
I am not a Buddhist, but like alot of their teachings. I am going to hear the Dalai Lama speak in Nottingham at the end of the month and I will report back on this to the bantaba. |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 05 May 2008 : 20:44:30
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Originally posted by black orchid
"A good deed done to an animal is as meritorious as a good deed done to a human being, while an act of cruelty to an animal is a bad as an act of cruelty to a human being.”—Prophet Mohammed
“There is not an animal on the earth, nor a flying creature on two wings, but they are people like unto you.”—Islam. Qur’an
I found these quotes on the internet, as I am not a Muslim, can anyone verify that the prophet Mohammed actually said this. Thanx
I do not contradict those verses above.
But its a matter of setting priorities right. I think the community is feeling a political pressure in the wake of the attacks on the cartoons and it looks like they are looking for some political capital to spend.
May be they could do well by educating the society regarding the basic of the religion. Yes pigs rights are important especially with cruelty to animals, but i believe far more societal issues should be looked at firsts.
But like they say in mandinka " Its the bird who knows whether its legs or wings which is more important" |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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Momodou
Denmark
11828 Posts |
Posted - 05 May 2008 : 21:42:04
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quote:
Originally posted by black orchid
1. "A good deed done to an animal is as meritorious as a good deed done to a human being, while an act of cruelty to an animal is a bad as an act of cruelty to a human being.”—Prophet Mohammed
2. “There is not an animal on the earth, nor a flying creature on two wings, but they are people like unto you.”—Islam. Qur’an
I found these quotes on the internet, as I am not a Muslim, can anyone verify that the prophet Mohammed actually said this. Thanx
Black orchid, the first quote is from the Hadith and the second quote is from the Quran 6:38.
"people like unto you..." can be translated as: "communities lik you.."
We may not know but animals communicate and relate to each other like people. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 08 May 2008 : 20:27:24
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For Black Orchid amonsgt other Bantaba members & viewers; useful AUTHENTIC READ FOR KNOWLEDGE, UNDERSTANDING OF QURAN, INTERPRETATION OF 'HADITH' OR WHAT PROPHET TEACHES & PRACTISE (AS ISLAM) under following links:-
i)Islam and animals(courtesy of wikepedia) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_animals
ii) Dogs! Are they dirty prohibited animals?(courtesy of Muslim Voices Against Extremism and Terrorism). Note: VERY USEFUL SOURCE BUT VIRUS ALERT CAME TO US TO LINK UNDER http://pressthat.wordpress.com/2007/10/21/dogs-are-they-dirty-prohibited-animals/
EXTRACTS FROM ABOVE RELEVANT LINK:
"Editor’s Note:
It is traditional among Muslims all over the world to regard the dog as a dirty animal that when touched would void your wudu (ablution) and give you nagasah (dirty impurity!
Sadly, this concept comes from fabricated hadith which claims that the prophet ordered the killing of dogs and gave numerous hadith that prohibit the keeping of dogs except for hunting and guarding, due to their dirty status!
However, by studying the Quran we find no such claims. Nowhere in the Quran are dogs prohibited. Consequently, we must dismiss all these hadith that fabricate lies against the prophet.
1- God tells us in the Quran about the story of the dwellers of the Cave (Surah 18)……in verse 13 God tells us that they were good believers and that God guided them.
In verse 18 God tells us that they had their dog with them.
Now if dogs are prohibited and dirty, would God speak of those dwellers of the Cave (who had a dog) as good believers?
2- In 5:4 God tells us that it is OK to eat what the trained dogs catch (dogs are used in hunting)……….if dogs are dirty would God say that it is OK to eat what they catch with their mouths?
3- There is not ONE verse in the Quran where God says that dogs are dirty or that they are prohibited to keep.
4- Is it logical that God would create an animal to be man’s best friend and serve him in many ways, and then prohibit such an animal?
The following is a well writen article about the subject by Lydia kelley
Dogs : Beyond Traditional Islam
By: Lydia Kelley
Why is it that dogs are looked down upon in the so-called Muslim world ? Why has tradition made it so difficult to keep a dog in your home ? Why would a “Muslims” Taxi driver refuse to allow a blind man and his guide dog into his cab ?
Dogs are wonderful creatures of God. They bond with humans, protect them and serve them and that has been true almost since God placed man on earth. Does it make sense then that Muhammed (or any messenger of God) would place prohibitions on these loving creatures when God does not?
How do we know that Muslims are not forbidden to be around dogs?
We look at God’s word, at the Quran. In the story of the men of the cave in Sura 18, it becomes clear that God sees dogs as part of men’s lives.
18:18 “You would think that they were awake, when they were in fact asleep. We turned them to the right side and the left side, while their dog stretched his arms in their midst.”
Hadith tells us that angels won’t enter a room where there is a dog. That means that for 309 years that the sleepers were in the cave, no angel ever entered. Yet God says “We turned them….” The use of “we” clearly indicates the participation of angels. There is absolutely no reason to mention the dog as part of this story, except to make it clear to future generation that dogs are permitted to live among people, right “in their midst.” And 18:22 clearly shows that the dog was counted right along with the believers.
“Some would say, they were three; their dog being the fourth, while others would say, Five; the sixth being their dog, as they guessed. Others said, seven, and the eighth was their dog. Say, My Lord is the best knower of their number. Therefore, do not argue with them; just go along with them. You need not consult anyone about this.”
There are books of the Bible that don’t make it into all Bibles. They are recognized by some sects but not by others. These are called “apocrypha.” One such book is entitles “Tobit.” It is a wonderful narrative. It reminds me of Luqmaan in the Quran. A faithful man counsels his son to worship God always, to be righteous, to give charity and never begrudge the gift, to be humble and to be fair in all business dealings. In this book of Tobit, the son, Tobias, goes off on a journey to help his father. God sends with him an angel in the form of a man, and chapter 5 verse 16 says;
“So they went out and departed and the young man’s dog was with them.” And as they return home, after all the adventure and good things that happen , in chapter: ” After this Tobias went on his way, praising God because He had made his journey as success….So they went their way, and the dog went along behind them.”
There is no other mention of the dog in the whole narrative. It is just like the people of the cave. There is no reason to mention the dog at all, except to show that it’s a perfectly natural thing to be accompanied by your dog. God certainly does not prohibit it.
God has given dogs qualities that make perfect companions and helpmates for humans. The fact that dogs like to be around people and like to please them makes them easy to breed for specific characteristics and to train for a variety of wonderful jobs. Dogs come in all shapes and sizes from the 5#8243; tall, 6 pound Chihuahua to the Mastiff and St. Bernard which may reach 200 pounds. Some dogs are meant to simple be a companion to man, small enough to carry around and sit on your lap. Scientific studies have shown that just petting a dog can lower a person’s blood pressure. So their simple companionship is a gift from God.
Beyond that, dogs perform a vast array of wonderful skills. Dogs are excellent herders and guards of sheep and cattle. Some dogs have a natural desire to protect. Police and the military frequently make use of this attribute, using German Shepherds , Dobermans and Rottweilers in their work. Dogs are wonderful in search and rescue. This has gone on for hundreds of years, from the famous St. Bernard of Switzerland finding people lost in the snow and laying down with them to keep them warm (they did not carry a keg of brandy) to modern times, finding survivors in the rubble of earthquakes.
Dogs have always participated in the sporting world, as the Quran attests in 5:4
“They consult you concerning what is lawful for them; say, Lawful for you are all good things, including what trained dogs and falcons catch for you. You train them according God’s teachings. You may eat what they catch for you, and mention God’s name thereupon. You shall observe God. God is most efficient in reckoning.”
Yet according to Hadith, anything a dog touches must be washed seven times, the final time in dust. That seems inconsistent with the Quran saying you may eat what they catch for you. The beautiful bird brought back proudly in the Retriever’s mouth would have to be washed seven times, finally in dust. It does not sound very appetizing.
Recently man has come to rely on the dog more for companionship and affection than anything else. And out of that has come the use of dogs as eyes, ears, arms and legs for the disabled. To watch a seeing-eye dog guide a blind person down a busy street or through a crowded mall is a truly inspiring sight. It allows freedom and independence that this person would not otherwise have.
For a deaf person, a hearing-ear dog allows him or her to live alone without fear. The dog can be taught to alert his owner to the doorbell, telephone, alarm clock, and smoke alarm. A deaf couple can respond to their baby crying, for the dog will alert them. The world is not so frightening and they do not feel so alone, with a dog to hear for them.
For someone in a wheelchair, or someone whose arthritis won’t allow them to bend or lift, a dog can provide so much help and comfort. The simple act of picking up a dropped objet is something we take for granted. But to a disabled person, it might mean the humiliation of always having to ask for help. With a service dog by his side, that same person achieve independence and self-esteem. The dog is happy to get the pen or the keys or the pill bottle, even if it rolls under a table.
The positive qualities of the dog-loyalty, dependability, tolerance- have been recognized throughout history. Mark Twain said “If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man.” And Lord Byron’s epitaph for his dog says “[He] possessed beauty without vanity, strength without insolence; courage without ferocity; and all the virtues of man without his vices.”
And of course the most important trait of all, which Byron missed, is complete and total submission to God for all his life. I think we’d be well served to share our lives more with these wonderful creatures, and learn more from them.
“The heavens and the earth are full of proofs for the believers. Also in your creation, and the creation of all the animals, there are proofs for people who are certain.” (45:3-4)
“Among His proofs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the creatures He spreads in them. He is able to summon them, when He wills.” (42:29)
iii) What to Say When Slaughtering the Sacrificial Animal (courtesy of IslamOnline.net) http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?cid=1119503548786&pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar%2FFatwaE%2FFatwaEAskTheScholar
iv) ALL THESE MIS-CONCEPTIONS AND LACK OF IN-DEPTH KNOWLEDGE ARE THAT WE ALWAYS FLOUTED STARTING POINT OF READ ('IGRAA') AS PROCLAIM TO BE THE FIRST DIRECT REVELATION TO THE HOLY PROPHET MUHAMAD (S.A.W)!; Sura Igraa or Al-Alq 96 (courtesy of wikepedia)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Alaq
Therefore it is my fervent belief that Prophet Muhamad (s.a.w) supports ANIMAL RIGHTS ACTIVISM 100% AND TEACHES US WELL HOW TO TREAT ANIMALS.
Please READ & LEARN FROM SCHOLARS WHO DOCUMENT THEM
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black orchid
United Kingdom
74 Posts |
Posted - 09 May 2008 : 09:45:28
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VIRUS ALERT
just to warn everyone PLEASE dont click link "Dogs! Are they dirty prohibited animals?(courtesy of Muslim Voices Against Extremism and Terrorism".......THERE IS A VIRUS ATTACHED TO IT.
But apart from that thanks everyone for responding to my question.
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 09 May 2008 : 12:39:16
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Thanks Balck Orchid for ALERT ON CYBER TERRORISTS
Would try to gather the RELEVANT INFORMATION & UPDATE EARLIER POST LATER! |
Edited by - kobo on 09 May 2008 12:52:58 |
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