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njucks
Gambia
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 Posted - 05 Apr 2008 : 13:49:57
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Originally posted by buba
I have never witnessed such interest in an African election on the part of Britain as they are showing towards Zimbabwe's. Britain is using allege human rights abuse as a front to do their dirty tricks. ...........whereby 4000 white farmers occupied 96% of productive agricultural land.
Mugabe is no angel, but Britain is not fighting for an average indigeneous African Zimbabwean, forget it,
Buba, neither have I. its puzzling. In China where there are no election, 100s of people are executed daily, some for offences that even in Zimbabwe would not even invite Police attention. Last week in Tibet, innocent people were gunned down for what can be brought down to Land at a sovereign level.
but ofcourse, Western interest in China is too great to risk for some mere Tibetans!
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buba
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Posted - 05 Apr 2008 : 21:22:01
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The Zimbabwe issue for me is not about defending Mr. Mugabe; i am in favour of term limits - be it a maximum of two four-year term, two five-year term etc. I believe this is the only way forward especially for our part of the world. Infact, when Gambians were being consulted way back in the '90s, i opted for a maximum of two five-year term, but unfortunately, this never happened.
For me personally, i get crossed with the hypocrisy of the British government. As njucks rightly mentioned, what did the British government do when innocent Tibetans were gunned down, or when the yanks do their rituals in Iraq - drop bombs on civilian areas, or the continuous killings of Palestinians, or the more than five years detention and torture of quantanamo detainees in camp delta in Cuba, or the refusal by successive British governments to return citizens who were forcefully removed from Diego Garcia to make way for Yank military base eventhough the high court ruled it illegal and called for their immediate return? But i tell you what, when the Zimbabwean police clashed with the MDC politicians and Mr. Morgan Tvangarai sustained head injury, all hell broke loose! I had to keep my remote control in my hand to be constantly switching channels because from BBC, ITV,SKY NEWS, FIVE,CHANNEL FOUR, etc were all on full-scale war as if some kind of aliens have invaded our planet!
May be they want to be seen as moral leaders of this world. But even there, i wonder if they can be looked up to. This is the same country that had wanted to dispose Gambia to France...you see Lurker, sometimes is better to keep quite about certain things. The water had been muddied for a very long time.
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lurker
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Posted - 05 Apr 2008 : 21:51:43
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you are entitled to your opinion about britain's role in the world. i doubt i would argue very much with some of what you say.
but i will not keep quiet about my views on a murderous thug who shames his country and the rest of your continentand in fact, the human race.
i asked if he is a hero or a villain, not why britain is involved with (or not) other world problems.
you can start your own thread on that one, seeing that you are so angry about it.
you might be less proud of this man in a few weeks time when more of his own people have been tortured and killed in his efforts to retain power and keep his snout in the trough.he is what he is, irrespective of the political history of that country.
he would be the same in charge of any country. megalomaniac, psychopath, murderous, power-crazed.
who said power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely?
he is the proof.
while all the african leaders stand back and applaud him for standing up to the european (white) forces, perhaps it would behove you, as an african member of society, to ask how you would feel if it was your brothers and sisters he was oppressing, and what kind of example this man sets to your up and coming generation and how you see Africa ever improving whilst you allow men like this to rule your countries for a lifetime?
africa's future is very bleak while it condones the outrageous behaviour of a tired old dinosaur who will kill his brothers and sisters to retain power. your boy Jammeh could be the next one - and you will not be so happy when he sets the troops on your families- mind you, he already did that a while back, didn't he?
these kind of "leaders" need to be stopped.wherever they are.
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buba
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Posted - 05 Apr 2008 : 22:36:27
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I deviated from the topic because i can read between the lines. Moreover, you cannot put forward a topic for discussion only for you to condemn people who take opposing views - for example people who think Mugabe is a hero and not a villain are told to be ashamed of themselves. I think it is better to be specific about your position, then invite people to debate it with you.
Meanwhile, i have already explained my position with regards to term limits. I have never liked leaders who stay too long in power. But again, if it is through legal means (i.e. no term limits as per constitution - written or unwritten, as in Britain), then who can complain?
I give you the last word if you will take it, thanks. |
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lurker
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Posted - 05 Apr 2008 : 23:03:46
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| i think i have made my postion as specific as is possible. as have you. history will judge him. |
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 06 Apr 2008 : 15:28:39
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Originally posted by buba
I deviated from the topic because i can read between the lines.
Buba the most dangerous people on Earth are the Tony Blairs, Rumflelds, Dick chenney and George Bush. these are not people found in some remote part of Africa but Europe/USA. Leaders who openly lie about other countries. Leaders who leave their families in peace and take War to other people's countries and destroy families.
Zimbabwe will be on its feet before Iraq! Thats a fact, look at the pictures of Bagdad and Harare. Almost every family in Irag is affected by the war. you can't even buy potatos without being blown up into pieces. But ofcourse this violence has nothing to do with the US/UK presence there. linking the two would be a deviation from the ''Real'' subject. the Olympic topic running through London has nothing to do with human rights in Tibet??. You shouldnt link issues, we are told.
Everyday innocent people are killed. but we are told ''INSURGENTS'' have been killed. when the entire population has been slaughttered then someone might just ask what happened to the civilians in iraq or Afganistan?
In Suadi Arabia, again where there are no elections, merely writing a blog or a woman driving a Car can land you in jail. ofcourse persuit of oil should not be linked to human rights. We can't criticise the Saudis, they buy our fighter jets for billions. they keep our maral pockets full.
i think Mugabe should demand immediate elections in the UK since the British ppeople were denied their right to vote when the baton was passed onto Brown. whilst at it, he should also call upon the british govt. to step up its reforms against institutional racism by some instruments of the State like the now trigger happy Met Police.
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kayjatta
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Posted - 10 Apr 2008 : 10:50:44
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lurker
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Posted - 10 Apr 2008 : 11:34:14
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update. seven election officials arrested by mugabe for allegedly doing him out of votes, even though he appointed them. my friends in zim tell me that the so-called war vets are ivading white-owned homes as well as farms now.
the times reported that the pres results were made available to zanu-pf. they read tsvangirai 57%, mugabe about 28% and makoni the rest.
mugabe flipped and ordered the results to be changed to 53% mugabe, 5% makoni and 42% tsvangirai.
his cohorts refused, saying that sucha big change would be too obvious! and suggested a gentle massage into a re-run.
mbeki wants mugabe out but hates tsvangirai, so he told them to organise a re-run result , hoping that mugabe would quit and then ordered zanu pf to vote en bloc for makoni. this would leave zanu in charge, mugabe gone and makoni as a new, youngblood pres he could deal with.
mugabe ruined even this outrageous plan by refusing to quit, so we aree where we are.
the whole election may now be meaningless as mugabe thugs his way to an easy victory in the re-run.
question...
how can the judges allow a recount of 5 constituencies where mugabe feels he was cheated when,
a) the law says no recounts after 2 days
b) no-one knows the results??? officially.
what a rigged business this is.
no surprise though.
SADc convened emergency meeting for saturday in zambia and mugabe wants to attend.
jacob zuma said this delay is unacceptable.
have you ever ever heard of a presidential electoral result not being released nearly 2 weeks after the vote?
only one posible reason, if you ask me.
most food processing companies closed and are still waiting the result til they decide what to do. therefore, the supplies of food int he shops is likely to be exhausted by the weekend.
i really fear the worst. i think big big violence is coming.
i used to treat nicholas goche in the 90's.
his result was posted at the polling station as 4000 odd votes , but the official one recorded him getting 10000 something.
it is a big shame. the result we get to hear will never be the real one, whichever way it went.
oh, and call me biased, but i am , of course.
peace, rant over for the day.
p.s. rumour has it that a senior "diplomat" said that mugabe was packed and ready to flee late last week, under pressure from his family, but that the military and his underlings persudaed him to fught back with every trick to regain power. a "de facto" coup. |
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 10 Apr 2008 : 17:21:05
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Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 16 Apr 2008 : 08:56:53
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| Zimbabwe turns out to be a disaster for democracy. Mbecki as well as SADEC hasn't done enough... |
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 16 Apr 2008 : 10:31:50
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Originally posted by kayjatta
Zimbabwe turns out to be a disaster for democracy. Mbecki as well as SADEC hasn't done enough...
Kayjatta
today the BBC wrote an excellent article about Zimbabwe, infact writing exactly some of the text i wrote before in my earlier posting starting with how things turned around when UK stopped funding the purchase of Land from white farmers by Clare Short. its a balanced article looking at Western interference in Africa, regional solidarity against neo-colonialism, poverty in Zimbabwe.
the thing is whenever Africans approach their own problems they always solve it. It was Nyerere who removed Ida Amin in a purely Africa Affair, no western hands. but look at the DR Congo where there are over 15,000 UN/European Troops. More people have been killed there, girls are being raped by peacekeepers in various sex scandals is that's not a crisis?
the real crisis is Darfur, where no Western nation is willing to push the govertment the same way they're pushing Mugabe.
in the last five years 500,000 people have being killed in Darfur, the people of Darfur have being evicted from their land by the ''Janjaweed'' and killed on a scale larger that the farm invasion in Zimbabwe.if its about words is think GENOCIDE is stronger than CRISIS!
where is Brown or Bush and their passion for human rights, their over concentration on Zimbabwe has even shadowed the real CRISIS in Darfur. but ofcourse there are no white farmers in Darfur.
the results will be released, whenever that comes, but the UK funded MDC, who keep changing their mind about the second round, now even setting conditions, should boycott and see who will be legitimated elected.
yesterday they called a strike and people didnt listen, the truth they didint get the 50% they claim. no one did.
their biggest mistake was to declare themsleves winner, trying to repeat a Kenya. Zimbawbean are no fools, they know where they came from.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7349166.stm |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 16 Apr 2008 : 11:01:37
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