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lurker
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 Posted - 30 Mar 2008 : 23:54:24
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it is11 pm and the zimbabwean government witholds the results of their election well past what would be a reasnable time in which to collate the outcome.
this might go one of three ways.
1) mugabe defies what we all know and declares himself the outright winner - cue, riots, death and turmoil
2)he declars no -one has the 5% needed to take absolute contrl- this gives him 3 weeks until the run-off re-election in which hehas to decide to stay and lose or fight or o scarper before te event. he would need this time to pack his cases full of the stolen dollars and to find mate who will have him
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3)this is my own thought , what happens if he just gets up and says" yep, ok. i lost fair and square. you can hve "my" country and i am gong to a peaceful retirement!"!!!!
the ultimate trick. he then goes down as a man of integrity, dignity and honesty ion the face of defeat. he keeps his millions. no-one will kill him or prosecute him and his murderous, tyrannic regime goes unpunished forever. the history books will leave hm in print as a liberating hero and forget the 30000 ndebeles he murdered, the destruction of his country and people and the trail of misery he left in his wake for his people.
i wonder what will happen in the next 24 hours.
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jambo
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Posted - 01 Apr 2008 : 10:31:11
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oKAY LURKER ARE YOU a betting person , do we think Mr Pres is playing for time.
I watched a program last night about the situation it was a joke, they have the result but are scared to release them.
the power is with the military  (how surprising for an african country).
The rumours/gossip/whatevers/theorists believe that the people behind mugabe are making plans to leave but cannot decide on a withdrawal strategy.
the bbc are not allowed into the country, but other media are, it is not a 50/50 situation. BUT THE PUPPETS ARE CONTROLLING THE MASTERS.
If this lasts a week without bloodshed the country will be okay. Look at what happened to Kenya.
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01 Apr 2008 : 11:14:34
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The results need to be announced and power handed over. The people have voted with courage and need to be listened to.
The world is standing by, holding it's breath and waiting.
The outcome of this election and the way it is handled sends a message to all other dictators across the world.
Lets hope it is a victory for the opposition and a peaceful transfer can take place. |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01 Apr 2008 : 12:49:29
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| Bravo gambiabev! well said -, though I doubt the international powers would intervene as they've done in Iraq, after-all, as far as I know, there is no oil in Zimbabwe. The African Union should get in there an take this man out. That is my view on the subject. |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
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jambo
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Posted - 01 Apr 2008 : 13:25:26
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the international bodies will not intervene, they are waiting, me i think they are looking for a way out. They also have seen how the elections went in Kenya, out and out bloodshed.
I think the international bodies should force Zimbabwe to declare a winner and then act on the result.
Right now everyone is waiting, but a bomb will go off soon. |
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lurker
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Posted - 01 Apr 2008 : 13:33:03
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i think they will announce a run-off. if the people do not riot when they hear this, then the zanu pf will totally fix the run-off in 3 weeks time. disgraceful.
but, who knows what will actually happen. i thinkl the normally peaceful zim people are so fed up and so hungry and so poor that they will riot if their man does not win the 50% he supposedly got (plus the rest) |
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sab
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01 Apr 2008 : 14:26:01
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Lurker, I think your correct. Sadly, I believe we have known all along that this will end up a very bloody election.
http://www.blog.talkzimbabwe.com/
http://www.talkzimbabwe.com/news/117/
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The world would be a poorer place if it was peopled by children whose parents risked nothing in the cause of social justice, for fear of personal loss. (Joe Slovo - African revolutionary) |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01 Apr 2008 : 15:01:48
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| Sab, I hope not for the sake of all the poor, hunger, ordinary decent people of the country. But sometimes it takes bloodshed to bring about change and for the outside world to listen. Very sad. |
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lurker
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Posted - 01 Apr 2008 : 15:33:00
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it looks like he is engineering a run -off. then the expats who came home to vote will not be able to afford to come a second time. the electoral observers will prob not come back. the final fix will be easier than ever. meantime , they can claim what a good system they hav ewhich allowed the oppo to get "such a high proportion", and bad luck that they just did not quite make it etc etc. they can then nail the coffin in three weeks time.
HOWEVER.. i relly think there will be street riots in any circumstance other than a clear win for MDC.
Then Mugabe's fate lies in the hands of the Army. they repel the riots and Mugabe survived. They drop their weapons and refuse to shoot their brothers on the streets, and Mugabe is dead man walking.
and how the hell can they be drip-feeding the parliamentary results like this and claim not to be able to release the presidential results til later.
IT IS SUCH A FARCE!!!!!!!!! |
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BornAfrican
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01 Apr 2008 : 17:26:15
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i have been following the ranting all across the globe over Zimbabwe. why Zimbabwe? when has an African country become of so much concern to the West, especially Britain? is it not these western countries who sponsored and continue to sponsor wars in Africa, from Sierra Leon (through blood diamonds), Liberia, Angola and DRC?
do you people truly believe that Britain(the most noise making country over Zimbabwe) really care about the well being of Zimbabweans.
the west wants the land in zimbabwe. can't you see Iraq? they want the oil, not the Iraqis.
what happened in Kenya recently? is it not in there the government messed up election results in broad day light? i am not justifying election rigging should it happens in Zimbabwe, but wot i saw in Kenya was western governments mediating for a power sharing government. wot has happened to us Africans? can't we see?
i know there are leaders in Africa worse than Mugabe, but no one talks about them. you know why? they don't have resources like Zimbabwe or they have resources that the West is getting the way they want it.
all that Britain wants is Zimbabwe's land, and then 90% of Zimbabwe's land will end up in the hands of british farmers when native Zibabaweans will die for the remaining 10%.
this is pathetic!!!!! |
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mansasulu
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Posted - 01 Apr 2008 : 17:39:02
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| Amen to that BornAfrican!! For some everyone around the world seemed to have an epiphany at once to cure Zimbabwe's problems. There is clearly more to this obsession and I think you summed it up nicely. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01 Apr 2008 : 18:03:25
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I have no designs on any land in any African country. I have a concern for democracy and for the peoples' voice to be heard. Not everyone speaks from self interest. It would be a very sad world if that were the case.  |
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lurker
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Posted - 01 Apr 2008 : 18:16:44
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this thread is not about the british desires for landetc etc, true or not.. this is about an african nation being destroyed by an african leader while other african nations sit and watch. the question of european motives regarding the outcome is another issue. the thread here is about an african nation disintegrating. who is worse than mugabe, BornAfrican?
are you proud of him? he has destroyed most of the desirable resources, or stolen them, or used them as collateral for china and libya to get a foothold in the country. what is the motivation of china and libya, in his so-called "look-east" policy? they are in it for what they can get, but i do not hear anyone grumbling about them, cos they did not invade iraq or afghanistan for oil or whatever.there is no more wheat as there are no more farmers. there is no wildlife, so ther is no tourism. the minerals and ores are already sold to the east. the land is fallow and rotting. what exactly is left. hey? do you think tsvangirai is going to reverse the land distribution that mugabe gave to his cronies?do you think he is going to invite the british to have what they had? that whole rationale is specious, but it is not relevant to this thread, either way.
the problem here is that people deflect away from the tyranny of this man and drag everyone and the kitchen sink inot this debate.
fact - mugabe is a killer
fact - mugabe rigs elections
fact- mugabe destroyed zimbabwe
fact-mugabe does not care for his people
fact - mugabe is one of the richest men in the world
fact- he murdered 30000 ndebeles
fact - he is corrupt
fact- all african nations have fiddled while zimbabwe burned and their people, also africans, died like flies.
so when will other african nations finally condemn this man, once their hero, and now their own nemesis?
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BornAfrican
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01 Apr 2008 : 18:27:41
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gambiabev,
no offense to you, and i'm sorry if you take my posting personal. i know your concerns about Africans from your previous postings and i appreciate that.
the fact is that, governments around the world unfortunately would do anything to get what they want and this is what exactly Britain is doing in Zimbabwe. infact the equation applied to Zimbabwe's situation happens to be the same applied to Iraq, but unfortunately, they couldn't hurt Iraq to the extent that they hurted Zimbabwe (if i am correct). the west wanted to use the people to rise against Saddam so that he is seen to be overthrown by his own people but not the West. when the west realised that Saddam was staying put despite all the sanctions, they used force.
the same trick as i said is applied in Zimbabwe. Sanction the country, and when the people suffer, they will rise against the leader we the Western governments don't want.
mugabe was in Zimbabwe for 28 years. Britain knew what he was up to then, but he was torturing only the black zimbabweans, so they din't give a damn. but once he turned against the white farmers, whoops, he's messed up big time. i'm sorry Bev, don't take this personal, but thats the way it is. If you touch a Western intrest in any part of the world today, you suffer.
Britain, wants to send her farmers back to the lands of Zimbabwe again, and i'm sure when that Morgan wins in Zimbabwe, you will see this. all sanctions will be eased up, and even if the new president turns to become a flesh eating head of state, as long as he eats only black zimbabweans' flesh and doesn't harass the white farmers, he won't have any problems with Britain.
unfortunately, this is the reality. you Bev and i at our personal level want change for the people, and a good change for that matter, but thats not how the great powers of the world want it. for them, some parts of the world need to be stable to get their interest and at the same time, some places have to be destabilised to realise their intrests.
Bev, the world is an economic playground where you dribble past your oponents to score goals. in some cases, you will even have to break their legs just to get that one goal in the net. |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01 Apr 2008 : 18:56:08
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Born African I agree that whilst many ordinary people are idealistic and want to make the world a better place for their fellow humans regardless of colour, culture or religion; sadly governments operate with a different mindset....economics.
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01 Apr 2008 : 18:58:35
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Looks like my idealism is back!
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