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Santanfara
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 Posted - 03 Mar 2008 : 07:40:02
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http://www.senegambianews.com/article.cfm?articleID=2181
i welcome any ctitism. it is a humble effort of mine to express my feelings about some our social issues.
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Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Edited by - Santanfara on 03 Mar 2008 08:04:16 |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 03 Mar 2008 : 10:48:53
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What a thought provoking poem,I have a little trouble in understanding it appears that the poem puts all the "blame" on the man,I find that it is a bit unfair it has to be borne in mind that as women get older they get harder and more controlling,the young woman on the other hand has had no chance of being pampered and looked after because she has never had any money one cannot blame her for taking her chances with "the old man"
(This is one for you Sister Omega, Anna, MeMe,Gambiabev !) |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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kayjatta
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Posted - 03 Mar 2008 : 11:06:17
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Great poem Santafara. It touched the heart of Traditional Gambian society, a great piece for the "Old Wives' Club". Many of us, man and children of Gambia can testify to the issues raised in the poem.
The poem could however do with fewer words, more precise language and imagery...
Thanks for the piece. |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 03 Mar 2008 : 11:08:06
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| well then toubab, all the blame is on the man. he is the one who betrays the one true bound. he is the one who pretend not to know. he mus take the blame. kay will agree it is the man's faults. this ugly phenominum is rampant in the gambia.the men must stop it now. some times it is not old men alone who do it.even young fourty year old do it as well. i challenge brother karamba to dispute the facts. he is a man of wisdom .he will not dispute that i know. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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anna
Netherlands
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Posted - 03 Mar 2008 : 11:10:02
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Haha, of course it is you, Toubab, who is doing the provoking here (and i jump to the bait). I suppose you meant to say that 'as a woman gets older she gets wiser and she is less inclined to see her husband of old as her lord and master whose wish is her command'. Wasn't that what was really on your mind?
Santanfara, my compliments for your empathy. I am afraid there are not too many men who could imagine the sorrow of the older woman who will see herself pushed out of the centre of her husband's mind and heart. A husband she has been with since she and he were young, and she probably had a great influence on him becoming the kind of person he is in his middle age when he decides it is time for 'something younger' in his bed. |
When an old African dies, it is as if a whole library has burnt down.
Amadou Hampate Ba (Mali) |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 03 Mar 2008 : 11:10:18
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| thanks kay. i knew you will be in support. i am a started in the poem arena. i will read your poems any time |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 03 Mar 2008 : 11:13:08
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| precisely anna. many gambians can narrate such uncaring aspect of some gambian big brothers and dadi's. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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anna
Netherlands
730 Posts |
Posted - 03 Mar 2008 : 11:23:11
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| Not only Gambians, unfortunately. I am sure you know that also in the West, middle aged men leave their wives and start a family with their secretary or a younger colleague or whoever. The only difference (and a significant one, i would say) is that the 'first' wife doesn't have to stay put in the same compound and see it all happening before her sad eyes. She can start a new life herself! |
When an old African dies, it is as if a whole library has burnt down.
Amadou Hampate Ba (Mali) |
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kaanibaa
United Kingdom
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Posted - 03 Mar 2008 : 19:30:10
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| Yes, there are tyrannical men in all age brackets ;its true.It is very sad that certain women have to endure such heartless brutalities against them just because they are women.I also point to certain females who also exploit the malaise endemic in such institutions by monopolizing the weak men in their lives and as the favorite wife dominate the husband who then forgoes his responsibilities to the other wife or wives and their children.The lot of a polygamous man is not generally a happy one there are more losers than winners. The players are from both sexes. mainly the worst off would be the offspring who if unlucky would find themselves deprived of such vital needs which could send them to destitution .Santa your poem is indeed thought provoking ,keep it up.The essence of any poem is sending of a message ;which I think was clear in your poem. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 03 Mar 2008 : 22:18:39
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ANNA,
I knew you could not restrain yourself from a comment ,lets see how it develops, and yes, as ALWAYS the woman is ALWAYS right, and the man wrong,thats life isn't it!
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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anna
Netherlands
730 Posts |
Posted - 04 Mar 2008 : 00:03:48
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When an old African dies, it is as if a whole library has burnt down.
Amadou Hampate Ba (Mali) |
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mbay
Germany
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Posted - 04 Mar 2008 : 07:34:00
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Thanks bro. you indeed turned some stones in sugar-daddy's world.
True has no limit, I think what you reckoning are probably the reason why most of the first children from that hart breaking old ladies are taking a distance from the father?, which is unusual in our societies.
What makes the whole thing much worry is the effect among the kinds from the same father because every one is going to listing his/her mother.
I understand your point T1020. but if sugar-daddy is fair among the sweety and old Mummy, then no need all this tearing. (just suggestion)have it not to do with the showoff at the BANTABA among sugar daddy's, who has the best newcomer?.
(God forgive me if i went too far)
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MeMe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04 Mar 2008 : 12:30:33
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Originally posted by toubab1020
What a thought provoking poem,I have a little trouble in understanding it appears that the poem puts all the "blame" on the man,I find that it is a bit unfair it has to be borne in mind that as women get older they get harder and more controlling,the young woman on the other hand has had no chance of being pampered and looked after because she has never had any money one cannot blame her for taking her chances with "the old man"
(This is one for you Sister Omega, Anna, MeMe,Gambiabev !)
Yes, the wooden spoon has been busy again 
Word to the wise here .... loyalty can't be bought and everyone gets older, even the 'sweet' young women you talk of! If women do get "harder" the older they get I would venture to say it would be due to the daily juggle we have to make sure there's food on the table, clean clothes to wear, children to be brought up and often a day's work to be done - it's called survival! |
It is better to die standing than to live on your knees - Ernesto Guevara de la Serna |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 04 Mar 2008 : 12:55:33
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| Mbay, I read your words although my understanding of what you wish them to mean is limited,one thing that I am happy about is that posters are getting involved in a discussion that so far has remained on track and not moved on to other subjects. I am sure that God will forgive you, if you feel that you have done, or implied that you have done something that was not right,or you have percieved may have been taken as an insult by someone.As I said my understanding of the content of this particular posting of yours is very limited,sorry. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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toubab1020
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Posted - 04 Mar 2008 : 13:02:12
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Originally posted by MeMe
Yes, the wooden spoon has been busy again
Word to the wise here .... loyalty can't be bought and everyone gets older, even the 'sweet' young women you talk of! If women do get "harder" the older they get I would venture to say it would be due to the daily juggle we have to make sure there's food on the table, clean clothes to wear, children to be brought up and often a day's work to be done - it's called survival!
OK I have been Bad ,and using my spoon a little,but if it makes things a little more interesting, the world and Gambia have so many problems that a little lightning of the discussion cannot be all bad,can it? It is very clear that no one wants to talk about local problems and issues on Bantaba anyway.(i.e. topics like,no toilets at Tipper garage, salt water at womens gardens etc. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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kayjatta
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Posted - 05 Mar 2008 : 03:06:16
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May be if the Gambia have child support and spousal support laws, many gambians (men) will seriously consider the implications of taking multiple wives and alienating the first wife.
Many women in the Gambia end up trapped in a polygamous marriage without the option of a divorce not only because of cultural pressure but also economic pressure. The man (husband) becomes and maybe has been her destiny. Child and spousal support laws can be important tools in empowering women in a marital relatioship... |
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