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Karamba
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 29 Jan 2008 : 21:04:13
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Does anyone hold facts and figures regarding how many persons Yahal Jammyi killed since his July 1994 coup? This includes non Gambians killed at Brufut and elsewhere unknown to the public. There is time to compile the figures to make it easier for compensation of victims. Even when this illegal regime is toppled or dies out those victims still deserve compensation. Does anyone know if the family of Ousman Koro Sise and the student victims have been compensated for their loss of life? Do you also know any victim of state brutality that has been compensated? What we know is that even those who suffered long periods of detention end up seeking freedom without compensation. They only wish the door of their cage opens so they breath fresh air. Let us get facts and figures and demand compensation for helpless victims.
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29 Jan 2008 : 21:15:42
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Many many Gambians are detained without trial, tortured, starved etc....then a few days or weeks later released without any charge ever being bought to book.
This is intimidation and a police/army state.
Sadly it is normal life, especially at the coast for the young men.
I don't know of figures for how many die in custody?
MOst never complain. They have no one to trust who will listen. Nothing is done about it.
Recently a Gambian guide I know was arrested as part of a group accusation of theft.
He has been badly treated, having to report to the police very reguarly. He has missed tourist trade because of this. Quite often the court didnt sit when it was supposed to: postponed for a variety of weak reasons. I sent my guide to be witness to what went on.
Finally my friend was released without any charge to answer..not guilty.
It was a waste of everyones time and money.
He had no apology or compensation.
Rough justice....just grateful to still be alive. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jan 2008 : 21:42:32
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Bev
You have firmly gripped the issue. It is not just enough that a person is arrested and detained long enough only to be released. The way this regime plays around it is by making victims appear like culprits. They discharge victims and make that appear as by itself is a compensation or relief. Because nobody challenges them as they continue lining up more victims it goes on and on. There must be a stop to that. A whole government machinery playing criminal brutality on citizens is chaos. It is time that the population of Gambia rises against state brutality and all forms of criminal maltreatment meted out to decent citizens. The case of your good friend is just one of many. A sorry state of affairs. |
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Dalton1
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Posted - 29 Jan 2008 : 23:52:37
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Bro Karamba...Does anyone know if the family of Ousman Koro Sise and the student victims have been compensated for their loss of life? Do you also know any victim of state brutality that has been compensated?
This by far would make a good read of an article.
The closest I am privy to was what is called in christianity "Confession" -where any wrongful doer admits to his deed, in the case of the late Koro Ceesay (RIP!).
With the student matrys (RIP!), after the coroners' report, it was decided of a 'reconciliation-spirit' so the case has been burried. I had an interview one time with Omar Joof. It looks like he was still echoing justice for those students. Among others, Alieu Khan, a former GAMSU pillar, a good friend has always believed for these students rights for justice...i mean their families. Alagi Nyabally, another GAMSU hero fled to spain (If information at hand is to go by), was a constant victim for constantly calling for justice yearly during april 10th & 11th. There are lot of them around, I am sure.
So the answer is no. There is no compensation yet. There is no justice seen yet. Foroyaa in the past argued that justice must not only be done but must be seen to be done.
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"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jan 2008 : 00:05:38
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Brother Dalton
That is a whole episode of a matter. We can't stand aside looking at a bunch of criminals harming our lot. This is a call for national protest against state crime and utter injustice. When a president is himself chief of criminals you only expect them to feed on crime. Yahal Jamm yi does not command the powers he boasts off. We all know that in the absence of those lethal weapons the bad fellow is nothing. Let us rise up to storm the criminal order. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jan 2008 : 01:16:22
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Brother Dalton
There are various options for salvation. Military or mass uprising may not be ready commodities for upright buying. There are lot of ways we as a nation can lead ourselves out of this long winding tunnel. A good signal is already beaming the atmosphere. That thing you call voter apathy is a good tool to measure disapproval. Next you will find a whole lot of people unwilling and unprepared to participate in other public functions. Slowly, slowly, all the lie and deception will fail the test of time. People become more and more sensitised and sophisticated to be taken for a wild ride with cat and bull stories as political tranquiliser of the masses; something the current regime is best known for. We cannot rule out that the opposition is similarly guilty of demagogy though they do not have the instruments at hand to rob us the way some of them wish. On a final note, it takes people to refuse being ruled the way political bandits impose on a whole population. When we get to that position when an overwhelming number of people hate to be deceived and taken for a ride that is another turn of events in this episode. For now it appears like there are good people out there ready to be taken for granted. If that number lowers, the better. Where it stagnates, then we are still there. |
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Dalton1
3485 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jan 2008 : 01:45:18
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http://www.thepoint.gm/Editorial440.htm
"It's time to think again."
Read it with caution//
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"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jan 2008 : 18:58:59
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Brother Dalton1
Above the dark clouds hanging over Gambia's sunny country there is still light somewhere. Lack of interest on the side of the population not voting is a show of disapproval by itself. Translating that into co-ordinated efforts is the next level to advance the course of things. It has to take people with no personal political ambition to mobilise broader support inducing the public more and more. There is ample evidence that the current government will never reconcile their illegality. Opposition parties are failing because they are doing NOTHING about regularising the political environment and yet they choose to take over for another man ride. The new force to succeed is one that is not seeking political office but restoring political order. That is the best interest of all. In the present state of affairs politics is all about position seeking and status boosting. It is the entire political order that is choas and needing a refix and proper fit. Once the population recognises that, we are closer to gaining pace. Criminals prefer disorder to enable them loot, rape, and kill. Such criminal atmosphere of politics is what the opposition and ruling party in Gambia feed on. Any party or group that is out to venture in the prevailing political atmosphere without first rectifying the order is only helping to strengthen the scheme of things much further. Or Dalton1, do you still think we go ahead entertaining the game being played? Who thinks different? |
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tapalapa
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30 Jan 2008 : 20:17:26
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BEV, You asked how many die in custody - It is 10 per month -I have experienced this first hand - I have visited someone in Mile two - they killed him two days after, then another friend died three days later (both of them unknown to each other) I have spoken to someone who did 14 years in this regime and survived - he told me everything. I can tell you many things but not on this website - It doesnt feel safe.
Report what you know to Amnesty International - I did - they said they do not take on indivisual cases but put my report on file.
All this happened in 2006 and I have still not got over whatI witnessed !
I you want to know more - mail me privately
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jan 2008 : 20:24:20
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jan 2008 : 01:18:43
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Tapalapa
What you have just hinted is a good beef of hidden information that is sure to crack up some fine day. Like yourself there are many out somewhere who know so much and will one day spill the beans. These killings and tortures can't be kept in dead silence for good. No amount of criminal conspiracy is adequate enough to keep these ugly acts under mask forever. You are one of the very good persons that will be useful. It is just enough for one person to speak out and what follows is a matter of time. Even when the whole camp of bandits disappear in the wild bushes the victims will have to be compensated. Though a criminal regime, they still call themselves a government. When they are gone the succeeding government will acquire the liability and pay compensation as fit. |
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tapalapa
United Kingdom
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Posted - 31 Jan 2008 : 15:11:54
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Karamba, thank you for your wise words - yes one day the truth will out !
I will patiently wait a while for Human Rights to be acknowledged and not just written about.
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jan 2008 : 18:31:28
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Good point there Tapalapa.
There is real difference between words and actions. In Gambia today what we have is a matter of words. Something written as rule is never put in practice. While the regime says citizens are free, the mere exercise of that freedom is what turns bitter for anyone who does so. Certainly all the victims deserve compensation and that is why we need to know more details about them and circumstances in which they have been victimised.
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bread man
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Posted - 01 Feb 2008 : 22:01:53
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| Brother karamba, I really admire your energy and your determination to tarnish the name of the H.E. However, you will only find out about your ability to improve The gambia if you re-direct your hostility and turn it into actions that can bear fruits now. So again I say stop wasting your time on the bogus accusations towards jammeh and come and join us in building the nation. Jammeh does not own the Gambia and your obssession to him is making me believe that you have made Jammeh to own all of us. Brotherman, we can all prosper in our own way and in your case, I think for you to help us prosper, you have to release your tensions on Jammeh and direct it to the Gambia. |
It is the mark of intelligence to entertain an idea without accepting it. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 01 Feb 2008 : 23:02:37
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Tapalapa Wrote:
"BEV, You asked how many die in custody - It is 10 per month -I have experienced this first hand - I have visited someone in Mile two - they killed him two days after, then another friend died three days later (both of them unknown to each other) I have spoken to someone who did 14 years in this regime and survived - he told me everything. I can tell you many things but not on this website - It doesnt feel safe.
Report what you know to Amnesty International - I did - they said they do not take on indivisual cases but put my report on file.
All this happened in 2006 and I have still not got over whatI witnessed !
I you want to know more - mail me privately
Tapa"
Bread Man
Not one of those words came from me. The thread is directed at Gambia's criminal regime and the person posing as ring leader preferring the title president is none other than someone named Yaya Jammeh. Personally I care nothing about this person. My concern is about the criminal state of affairs in our dear country. As matter of fact the whole government machinery is turned into a criminal cohort of people. If you disagree with that tell Gambians not me. I am prepared to stand by the 1.5 million brothers and sisters of the nation to ensure that all those killed get compensated and their perpetrators to pay the price. How many criminals do we know in history who once posed as people's leaders only to be exposed? Believe it or not lot of information is already compiled and archived for better use at the right time. Stay away from this narrow notion of seeing people as haters of a person named Jammeh, Peter and Paul. People behind these investigations are not toy fellows. The reason for getting to the bottom of these crimes are far from meeting personal goals. The people behind these efforts do not have any of their friends and family affected. But it is wrong to stay watching until a friend or family member is affected. Again, and again, this is about crime against humanity that needs to be arrested and the criminals dealt with no matter what titles they prefer calling themselves. Why will the criminals not respond? They certainly know themselves by name and by personal actions. This is no small affair. If you try to scale it down you may not bear the results of your choice. Those who died in the hands of these wicked criminals had life too. Tell me you don't care about that and I will understand where you belong. |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 02 Feb 2008 : 18:19:37
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| karamba,stay focus.bread man doesn't believe that his emperor yahya is responsible for the missing and death gambains. for all he see in yahya's world is the quotation '' i am a dictator of development''. development whilst cheif ebrima manneh is still missing, whilst scores are burried in yumdum barracks. he is not interested in the other side of yahya's legacy. so sad for us. |
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