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jambo
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 Posted - 15 Jan 2008 : 12:39:00
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| can i ask why do the locals not fill in the holes that are newar the homes. I am not being stupid but they let the hole get bigger if they stop it at the beginning it would not be as bad. I make this suggestion because I asked this in another area, fill the small hole in with sand, it would at least stop the dent, they thought i was mad, but a pothole left like this will be a death trap soon. |
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Sibo
Denmark
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Posted - 15 Jan 2008 : 13:44:38
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| I dont know about other places, but in brufut they do fill the holes, but the more Right now in brufut they fill the holes with sand, but then when yu are driving on the it get so dusty, and all that dust is not healthy either,. I was sick the first week I was there because of the dust, and I know I´m not the only who was affected b the dust. I believe the people in these villages and towns are doing what they can to help the situation of the roads, but the main resposebility is in the hands of the government. I´ve seen the roads that are builded in the Gambia, they are good. The road to baddibu for instance is really in a good shape, it took me an hour to drive from barra to salikene. But there are still many busy roads that are in a very bad shape. |
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AbeCham
United Kingdom
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Posted - 15 Jan 2008 : 18:51:50
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| Only God knows what planet MOE's from? What r u rambling about? this' a discussion forum! people r entitled to voice their views and incase u don't know its a free world and we all make our choices and contributions in different ways! you really need to do ur homework and at least try and understand a little bit of the workings of this planet and have a little humility SON! and a little respect 4 others |
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AbeCham
United Kingdom
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Posted - 15 Jan 2008 : 18:59:53
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| A lot of the roads in the Gambia are very bad. But I think the point the original posting was trying to put across was the strategic importance of the sukuta-serekunda road, and the need for GOVT action for economic and social reasons not only for people living in those areas but for the entire nation. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 15 Jan 2008 : 21:41:03
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The posting was about Sukuta Serekunda Road I agree, but the roads of the entire nation that you outline in your last couple of lines should be brought up to scratch,this is the 21st centray and not the middle ages,so an expansion of this topic is understandable.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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shaka
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Posted - 16 Jan 2008 : 01:39:37
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Brother Moe i like your last analysis very much and i also believe that we should not oppose Jammeh just for the sake of it. Credit and complement deserved to be given where it is due. Even though i have to admit that i have been taken aback by your sudden transformation from a vehement anti-APRC to near liberal on APRC policies, i could understand where you are coming from after visiting mighty Gambia. But mi brethren i also think that you are viewing the whole issue of Gambia's development from the surface of things rather a deep critical examination of it.
My first impression when i first visited the city of Dakar some fifteen years ago was "corr blimey we must be living in the cave man's time in the Gambia". The stunning buildings and architecture, the well planned wide boulevards and avenues, the public squares and gardens, the neon lights that call your attention from the twenthieth floors of the tall buildings, the traffic lights, the range of well organised businesses, the gracefull movement of the elite and middle class Dakarois up the lovely streets and behind the wheels of beautiful cars was simply bewitching for the urban boy who have never venture outside the Gambia. Behold paradise!! I asked myself then, what the heck are all those Senegalese doing hustling up and down the tired steets of Banjul and Serekunda when they have the "Garden of Eden" right here? What could possibly be missing from this great place? After finishing my business in the city i headed towards the outskirts to catch my NJAGGA NJIE(the commercial vehicles that ply the roads from the garages of Coloban and Pompier to the vicinity of Dakar) back to my relatives' huse in Pikine Niari Talli. The stench, the poverty, the human suffering, the hustling and bustling of the MODOU MODOUs, the wailing voice of poor beggars and BAYE FAALs from behind their loudspeakers offering prayers and blessings from Senegalese saints and prophets in return for a few cents, the mad dash to get into the next avilable vehicle, the poor women selling food stuff carefully balance on their heads, the rotten vegetable and food left overs on the floor was a complete contrast that made me gasp " hold on, i have just been to REWUUM TAH five minutes ago, am i hallucinating?". I nearly got mugged for the clothes i was wearing with usual jibes of "hana cow nga joge". Then it dawned on me that things are not what they seem to be. I got chatting to one of the passenger on the way to Pikine and quipped "what a lovely city you have got back there". She roled her eyes back up her head, looked at me with disinterest and barked "we don't eat CONCRETE and GODORON, we eat CHEB"
Brother Moe do not allow the Jammeh dictatorship to hide behind CONCRETE and GODORON. Remember the the money was borrowed in your name and your children and their children will pay for it without yielding much benefit. The money was never invested to generate income, wealth and job opportunity for a better future for your children rather it was wasted on visible "white elephants". I am not one of those people that believed Jammeh focused attention on these "white elephants" to deliberately deceive the masses but rather it done without a clear vision, poor advice and planning as well as bad judgement and "drop of the hat decision making". A classic example is what you mentioned above, that foreingners are taking over the country. Rightly so. But not because Gambians are not willing to partake in the ventures owned by foreiners but because we are denied those opportunities by the regime we elected to govern our country.
Take a look at the sale of Gamtel and Gamcel. What we have is a bunch of Lebanese crooks posing as wealthy Arab businessmen came down to visit our gullible leader offering to buy and effectively manage the national tele-communication company. Do you know What a national tele-communication entails Moe? It does not just provide tele-communication services but also deals with the lucratives business of selling of licences to both domestic and international tele-communication opperatives. You just can't go wrong owning a national tele-communication company. Lets take a closer look at these "rich Arab" businessmen. Do you really believe that they have all that money they claim to have? No Moe they got **** all!!! They came in fake balance sheets and behind ghost multi-million dollar corporation you have never heard about in Switzerland, Germany or some other western counries. You are a smart young man Moe and you should know that a company with huge capital, enough to buy half of Gamtel and Gamcel, should be listed some where in their country of origin(in this case Switzerland). How come it is almost impossible to find this phantom company anywhere in switzerland? This is how these international crooks operate; as soon as they got the offer to purchase from our gullible government they would then go to to any country outside the Gambia and borrow the necessary loan using the guarantee freely offered to them by the goverment of the Republic of the Gambia. Any fool with a little understanding of international business knows that any bank in the world would jump at the chance to finance such a loan backed by a guarantee of the Gambia goverment. Like i said before you just can't go wrong owning a national telecom company like Gamtel. It is a far cry from having to buy a licence from Gamtel to set up your own telecom business. Get this Moe, these foreigners own 50% of the rights to sell licences till infinity. You are rigt Moe our children will grow up with their children in tomorrow's Gambia and thier children will be running our national heritage. Isn't that scary my brother? How would your children and their chilren after them judge Jammeh. Why should he deny Gambians the right to buy half of a national heritage like the right to Gamtel's licence by putting it to tender as dictated by the constitution of the Republic of the Gambia. Any way i getting tirednow, i will talk to you about other issues later. |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 Jan 2008 : 02:16:04
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Shaka not a bad piece especailly the bit on Gamtel sale. News coming from town has it that many senior and experinced professional are resigning from Gamtel and taking up appointments elsewhere. Others are also lined up to jump before Gamtel finally sinks. Its scary bro. These fake lebanese breeze in and out of town most of the time. I heard that they promised the staff alot but it was mere bull****. They have not seen anything concrete yet.
Jammeh should learn to use the brains and eyes of those who know and can see clearly rather than playing the Guru that he is not. Gamtel may end up like GPMB ;as someone predicted here when Gamtel went down to the hunters of fortunes of Lebanese. Their shady deals have earned them the unofficial label of international crooks especially in Africa.
Jammeh should salvage Gamtel from these vultures before it reaches crisis. Jammeh should refrain from thinking that the state is Jammeh and Jammeh is the state. |
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Moe
USA
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Posted - 16 Jan 2008 : 03:19:33
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Shaka you know your piece is out of this world and any sane person who tries to dispute the facts will just be wasting their time. The sale of Gamtel and gamcel are a total failure and if you ask me government should have taken their hands out of the cookie jar and Bakary njie should have stayed as manager for he ran the place like a champ. There is a big difference between a good manager and a politician, he should have never taken the appointment as secretary of state.
I felt the same about Dakar when i first visited, i really thought this had to be Africa's babylon but i found out different when lunch, and dinner time came. Dakar is a huge city and i think they are just forging the middle class status but the middle class is non existent. Either you are rich or just poor.
Believe me Shaka when i tell you Gambia of yesterday is completely a different ball game nowadays which you tend to agree with. Not only Gamtel and gamcell but remember our good friend Tarik is also back to wreak more havoc in a corrupt society.
My only problem is we have failed at addressing the important issues such as policies and laws passed instead everyone is busy being a journalist. I remember your warnings of the dangers posed by half baked journalist online like the "ENQUIRER" freedom newspaper and it's effects on society in the long run 2 years ago. I for one thought you were crazy but one can only learn from wise guys. Today they have turned into rumour mills and witch hunting, thinking they are being patriotic.
I really respect sister Omega for she seems to know all the implications involved from day one regardless of how we all see things sometimes, overall she has proven to be genuine and overtly right about national development and good governance.What i am saying today, kicking and sreaming about she knew 5 years ago.
The only way to tackle Jammeh and demand changes in gambia is to have a viable opposition and we all know how UDP/NRP betrayed the trust of Gambians because of greed and monopoly.
No matter how we see or view Jammehs policies the politicans have failed our nation by runing away from it and so called boycotts letting policies and laws be passed with impunity.
Jammeh is partiallly responsible for the failures of certain institutions yet life is a ball game "trial and error" is what we live by.
Jammeh being the little engine that no one thought could proved everyone wrong and has learnt to consolidate power. The problem now is how can he be unseated when he is now the man of the people.
I feel we can address the issues at hand and laws being passed but cyberspace will not return to castigating people and used as a propaganda machine........................................Peace bro |
I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
Edited by - Moe on 16 Jan 2008 03:28:08 |
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Moe
USA
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Posted - 16 Jan 2008 : 03:29:26
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I am E.T. from planet Moe...............................Peacequote:
Originally posted by AbeCham
Only God knows what planet MOE's from? What r u rambling about? this' a discussion forum! people r entitled to voice their views and incase u don't know its a free world and we all make our choices and contributions in different ways! you really need to do ur homework and at least try and understand a little bit of the workings of this planet and have a little humility SON! and a little respect 4 others
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I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 Jan 2008 : 09:10:42
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Moe its interesting what you say about either rich or poor and no middle class.
It seems to me that the gambia middle class are the people on this forum that left the Gambia and went to other countries.
As long as this brain drain continues it will be difficult for the country to develop a middle class. These people are the very people needed for the country to progress. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 16 Jan 2008 : 13:46:19
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Originally posted by Moe
I am E.T. from planet Moe...............................Peace
Ah yes E.T.,the planet Moe..........thats where everyone eats politics for breakfast lunch and supper isnt it? |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Moe
USA
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Posted - 16 Jan 2008 : 17:47:56
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Gambia bev am glad you noticed that there is a whole generation between the ages of 25 - 45 missing in our society. The reason the migration halted is because of the new requirements and laws which makes it harder for younger Gambians to leave.
It is estimated that over 500 thousand if am right with my figures live in the diaspora. Most of them range from the ages of 21 -50 including the new borns. We lack a middle class in Gambia and all the educated elites have left and are making a name for themselves elsewhere. This has been a trend since the early sixties and not bound to change soon.
I definetly commend Jammeh for trying to provide the essentials for a stable society where as you really don't have to leave for europe or America just to pursue higher education.
Jammeh is dealing with older gambians that have everything to loose and the rest are just children so its really not hard to understand why he is the man of the people. Elderly Gambians appreciate everything you do for them and will reciprocate in terms of votes during elections.http://observer.gm/africa/gambia/article/2008/1/16/president-supports-gambian-musician-with-14-million-dalasis
The brain drain is to be blamed for our downfall if you ask me. Imagine a Gambia with 100, 000 educated elites thats when we will see true transformation, meanwhile lets get used to cheap politics and trickery...........................Peace quote:
Originally posted by gambiabev
Moe its interesting what you say about either rich or poor and no middle class.
It seems to me that the gambia middle class are the people on this forum that left the Gambia and went to other countries.
As long as this brain drain continues it will be difficult for the country to develop a middle class. These people are the very people needed for the country to progress.
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I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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Moe
USA
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Posted - 16 Jan 2008 : 17:54:18
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Lol i guess so if thats how you wanna put it. I thought it was only weekends and holidays ,yet i'll take that back i guess its on a daily basis all day every day, even the desert is made of politricks......................Peace quote:
Originally posted by toubab1020
Ah yes E.T.,the planet Moe..........thats where everyone eats politics for breakfast lunch and supper isnt it?
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I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 Jan 2008 : 18:48:28
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The Gambia having its own university is a good start. People should be encouraged to study in their own country and then stay and pay back to their homeland.
For example I trained to teach in the UK and now I work for the UK government as a teacher.I didnt run away to America or Australia.
I can understand completely the individuals wish to better themselves and the fact that this is more likely to happen in other countries. But I think there is also a collective responsibility to help your own society too. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 16 Jan 2008 : 21:37:12
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Originally posted by Moe
Lol i guess so if thats how you wanna put it. I thought it was only weekends and holidays ,yet i'll take that back i guess its on a daily basis all day every day, even the desert is made of politricks......................Peace
POLITRICKS.............I Like it, But hey everything in moderation!
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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