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Moe
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 Posted - 06 Jan 2008 : 03:57:08
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When he was busy guarding president Jawara, he was a Gambian, When he joined the army he was a Gambian, When the system was in dire need of change he was amongst the people who sacrificed their lives willing to face whatever the cirsumstances were going to be, yet today he is president and we even dare have the audacity to question his citizenry. Jammeh is more Gambian than most of us................peacequote:
Originally posted by MADIBA
Does that mean that you have withdrawn the untrue statement of aliens voting Jammeh in power? Jammeh was a Gambian before 1994, he remains Gambian until such time that he forsakes that status.
If there is anyone rubbing salt and pepper its you Karamba. Love him , Hate him Jammeh is a Gambian. Gambia's president for now. Whatever his traits he is a Gambian and President of all Gambian. Period.
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I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06 Jan 2008 : 13:38:32
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The pothole slipway that ordinary aliens are able to use going to school and joining the army is not suitable to let go a fat head like that of president. Should Jammeh turn out to be proper Gambian born that is fair enough. Not being Gambian born and staying as president is still up to Gambian balance of tolerance. Of all the politicians known by Gambians one wonders why it is only Yaya Jammeh whose birth place is subject to critical scrutiny. As matter of fact, Bantaba is perhaps the last place to have this matter raised. The talk has been around for long enough and spilling it on this wider Bantaba cyberspace is normal. This is not an issue cracked by Karamba so watch yourselves. There are thousands of concerned Gambians wanting to confirm the true birth place of a man who robbed the constitution he swore to defend and eventually staged a coup. In his history Jammeh stands the tallest of traitors on Gambian soil. As man in the army his job was to defend. He defeated the situation by coup. As president he swore to defend the constitution furthermore. That very constitution is what he now tears into pieces just to accomodate his cruel desire to reserve all the power of political brutality for himself. Let us discuss that and stop bouncing around. Current changes in the constitution have been long conceived by Jammeh in his wild bid to continue robbing the nation's resources and even the legal instruments. That is enough food on the plate of Gambians to consume and digest. This is not about loving or hating a person called Yaya Jammeh. Rational assessment of the situation will enhance a progressive debate and not this childish APRC bogus patriotism. |
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mbay
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jan 2008 : 14:47:23
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Are you implying that in the name of African Brotherhood we need not question who is born where?
From the wider context everyone is a son or daughter in the universal brotherhood of mankind. That is still no reason to make the possession of national passports and other specific IDs redundant. When Jambo picked on this issue, it must be for good reason. It is that reason worth our persistent pursuit.
If Jammeh was behaving civilized enough with this temporal position of president he could have gone unchallenged for long. When his misbehavior creeps to unbearable proportions that is when lot of people realised something wrong. To have any other person doing what Jammeh now does on this very good seat of president that person would be subject to critical sanctioning. Therefore it is not Yaya Jammeh we are about. The whole attention is on the seat of sate. Whoever occupies it will attract the type of attention not by value of his or her own good skin but because of the national position of president. |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jan 2008 : 17:11:31
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Karamba there is no dispute regarding Jammeh's nationality. He is Gambian pure and simple. So eloquently but by Moe, Madiba,and depicted by Mbay. Do you really think Gambian people are really so gullible and fickle enough to entrust the nation with people who will use any card whether it be Tribal,Witch Hunting and anything to garner cheap popularity. Then try to deny their deceit by saying they are interested in "the seat of President and not the person.".( yeah right ) This is a bare face lie! Just look at all the derogatory remarks made about Jammeh. Very few or if any or your threads Karamba have exhibited constructive criticism. When have you debated on policies and shown alternatives? karamba you seemed to be beyond obsessive with your repulsion of Jammeh and his family.
President Jammeh is a Gambian and so his children as they were both born in the US of a Diplomatic parents. Karamba for along time you have been peddling unsubstantiated gossip on bantabaa always going over the same ground. Now it doesn't take a genius to figure out you dislike for Jammeh, neither does it take one to see that your very bitter about some experience or another. However what puzzles me is how come you can devote so much time and energy expressing so much negativity and still find time to go to work? Or if by any chance you're a jobseeker I doubt if there have any jobs available in the UK for would-be cookoo-land President's in waiting for The Gambia. If I came across one I'll be one of the first to let you know
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Dalton1
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Posted - 06 Jan 2008 : 17:22:07
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Brother Karamba,
I will suggest that you move on to another topic because you've made your points loud and clear. As far as it concerns, it truly matters that such people are scrutinized, especially for the fact that he is a renowned criminal in the open. I know for a fact, the talk about his citizenship is not done out of respect. It is a manifestion of his evil. At the end of the day, it is truth that will triump.
I thank you for moving on to something more valuable.
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"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06 Jan 2008 : 17:36:04
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Santanfara
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Posted - 06 Jan 2008 : 17:37:44
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the topic is relevant and important.even though we talk in broader african context ,it is important that we assertain the alligiance of our leader.this is not only for jammeh but for any one who happens to wish to occupy the presidency. if say the gambia and senegal happends to get into conflict due to the casamance crisis because the gambian government supply weaponds to casamace rebels ,then reasonable people are bound to question the birth place of the leader. where does his heart belong?
one can count leaders who happen to be from another country different from where they are head of state. sakorzy of france is link to poland.that is where is father came from.swarza****** of califonia came from austrain parents etc. people are still worried about the president betraying the country he leads .the cold war atest to some of those facts. scientist selling secrets.chinise passing information from u.s to main land china etc. jammeh has imprison and kill at will ,some may want to know whether he seriously love the gambia at all.there as been reports of yahya housing casamance rebel leaders .why? |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06 Jan 2008 : 18:03:37
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Sister Omega and Madiba
What kind of backgrounds do you hail that induces you to spill personal insults? That is not how I was brought up. In million years I will not insult even your dogs.
Sister Omega I am not president of Gambia and not looking to be one. What I do or do not do is my business. If you think your wild speculative remarks will have bearing on me you have a heavy burden. Why not let Jammeh respond? Who are you to be so furious about people in the exercise of our basic rights of citizenship? Was it me who raised this topic? Jambo who did it must have his reasons. Jambo can confirm that I had no influence in sending that signal in his free mind. How many people are asking this same question? What is wrong with you? Go to Gambia and mount the APRC platform to sell your agenda. You cannot stop me.
If you have skull to accomodate facts get this one properly housed. This childish deceptive propaganda you are all about Jammeh is not holding. He is a deadly criminal. He knows it. Let him crack his shells and the world will see. Will you tell the world that Yaya Jammeh is not a criminal? Stop this childish temperamental jive!!
What is more criminal than breaking the laws of a nation to rob political power in broad day light? Still more criminal is the extent to which our laws are being flawed and our constitution stolen day by day by the same person. That is an issue for all Gambians and no amount of your type of fury will obstruct this challenge against Jammeh's criminality. I am happy that you are furious. Since we know this hurts, the chemical composition will be even more concentrated. |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06 Jan 2008 : 18:08:51
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Originally posted by Santanfara
the topic is relevant and important.even though we talk in broader african context ,it is important that we assertain the alligiance of our leader.this is not only for jammeh but for any one who happens to wish to occupy the presidency. if say the gambia and senegal happends to get into conflict due to the casamance crisis because the gambian government supply weaponds to casamace rebels ,then reasonable people are bound to question the birth place of the leader. where does his heart belong?
one can count leaders who happen to be from another country different from where they are head of state. sakorzy of france is link to poland.that is where is father came from.swarza****** of califonia came from austrain parents etc. people are still worried about the president betraying the country he leads .the cold war atest to some of those facts. scientist selling secrets.chinise passing information from u.s to main land china etc. jammeh has imprison and kill at will ,some may want to know whether he seriously love the gambia at all.there as been reports of yahya housing casamance rebel leaders .why?
What interests has Yahya got in Casamance so important that he could swap his Gambian citizenship for a citizenship of the new found Republic of Casamance? If there are 350,000 Senegalese resident in The Gambia as at 2003. How many of those Senegalese have got kids in The Gambia? How do those children see themselves? How many of such people are in the Army, Police, Imigration, Parliment, Central gov't etc? If Gambia and Senegal should go to war (May Allah Forbid), thats not a warrant to question his nationality. However his foreign policy should be question and in addition his integrity.
Did i hear you say people are worried in this century whether the president will betray them? which president Sarkozy? For Governor Arnold is sees himself America and the people who voted him see him as American. That's one of the few good things about America, it a melting-pot.
Jammeh like any future President of The Gambia is accountable to the people. People have gone missing, died, killed during Jammeh reigns and we want to get to truth abt those things. sooner or later the day of reckoning would come. Thats a different kettle of fish altoghter.
What am saying is to avoid the delirium of who is Gambian or not Gambian becos of one individual Jammeh. If Jammeh is not a citizen,there are almost half a million Gambians today in his situation. Whether it will be in my live time or not, the day some fool tries to defuse that timebomb of nationlity we will find ourselves in an Ivory Coast situation. Its the business of gov't of the day to correct anomaly in the constitution, or precisely the NA, to avert such a looming catastrophe. For some of us who saw brutality in the wake of the Kukoi coup of 1981, i know what anger can do. |
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mbay
Germany
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Posted - 06 Jan 2008 : 18:36:13
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He was a guardian of our beloved? president as one can see it here and is not any instant case: http://picasaweb.google.de/basse6112/Yaya/photo?authkey=SbVoXT0EZv4#5152349364812007314.
am asking if DKJ didn't knows it?
I believes we should judge his activity instantly than his nationality.
Yes a huge of people are interested of his background as a leader but what a pen will we have from it by now?. And i assumed jambo is in line of what yaya is right now, good / bad ?.
but a profile that is coming up is helpless jiffy.
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06 Jan 2008 : 20:29:11
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Mbay
It is the bad conduct that provoked all the critical queries. Before 22 July 1994 it was uncommon to hear about people murdered or disappearing without trace in Gambia. That has since been a different picture. People are murdered and get disappeared during this regime. Does it not make sense to question everything about that including and not limiting to the affairs of a man heading a whole government operation? Two things are possible. Our president of the is behind these killings or he is behind the people who kill. Being president is not like being taxi driver. This is a much longer journey and the driver requires better scrutiny. You don't want to ask a taxi driver too many questions but a person driving your nation must be ready for questions about what belongs to us all. What is wrong with that at all? |
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Dalton1
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Posted - 06 Jan 2008 : 20:44:01
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Bro Karamba,
Matter of fact, you have a very strong and consistent voice. Ask me why Syngle Nyassi never enjoys peace since Jammeh came to power.
It's a mandinka proverb that says "nyii yaaa moi hum, wotoh feng neh ka' sung kang." It means if you see people covering their nostrils and uttering "huuuuuuum", then something smells bad in the neighborhood.
The fact that Jammeh's citizenship was put on the campaign trail by political wingers like Juwara and shyngle Nyassi means there is something questionable about it. I am yet to draw a conclusion. I yearn for more answers and brighter days. it's not far.
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06 Jan 2008 : 21:42:39
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Karamba you're asking all these questions but not to the person you should be addressing. Why not ask those questions directly to the President? If we are to take any of your ramblings seriously. Otherwise all you are doing is complaining, blaming and going around in ever decreasing circles. Which is completely the opposite from what those you are trying to scrutinize are doing.How on earth is anyone supposed to take you seriously.
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06 Jan 2008 : 21:56:24
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Omega
Yaya or his agents are reading. All the questions are calculated to land on them as a bunch. |
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