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jambo
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 Posted - 04 Jan 2008 : 12:23:28
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i just read on another posting that Mr president is not Gambian, is this true
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mansasulu
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Posted - 04 Jan 2008 : 15:05:44
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| Well that is academic, isn't it? He is President now... |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
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jambo
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Posted - 04 Jan 2008 : 16:59:34
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| very academic, , so does it mean any foreigner can be president of gambia |
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mbay
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Posted - 04 Jan 2008 : 17:34:42
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He is a very Gambian!his father was very closed friend of the young brother of my wife's grand Pa (Alhagie Sanku )and yahya has spend a lots of his childhood in their compound playing with his children.
one of his son can remembers very well by having wrestling with yahya which, as he said since from then had never thought to trys yahya again |
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akem0
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04 Jan 2008 : 19:05:51
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quote:
Originally posted by jambo
very academic, , so does it mean any foreigner can be president of gambia
quote:
Originally posted by jambo
very academic, , so does it mean any foreigner can be president of gambia
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jambo
3300 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jan 2008 : 09:11:25
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back at you  |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jan 2008 : 15:14:27
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quote:
Originally posted by mbay
He is a very Gambian!his father was very closed friend of the young brother of my wife's grand Pa (Alhagie Sanku )and yahya has spend a lots of his childhood in their compound playing with his children.
one of his son can remembers very well by having wrestling with yahya which, as he said since from then had never thought to trys yahya again
Mbay you are right. As far as i know his mother is clearly Gambian.
Its a shame at this time of our civilization when Africans are calling for the unity of our continent others are bickering about trivial issues such as nationality and tribalism. Rwanda, Liberia and Sierra leone(tribalism) and Ivory Coast(nationality) should open up our eyes to what these issues can lead us to.
There are many senior security and civil officers who are defending the Gambian constitution, who going strictly by what is in the constitution , they themselves are not Gambian. There was once a senior Gambian immigration officer whose parents were immigrants from a neighbouring country. When i saw this guy on TV talking abt who is a Gambian and whos is not, i smiled to myself and told those that were watching with me , that the guy himself doesn't probably know he's also an alien going by the constitution.
Jammeh's nationality is academic now as the other brother said. Jammeh like many Gambians whose parents may have immigrated to The Gambia, know ONLY The Gambia as home.
In all fairness i think we should tackle Jammeh on his performance as head of state and nothingless. Besides some of us residing in the west, UK or US would like our children to be granted a British or US nationality as a birth right.
In the interest of an African Union let us drop these dangerous issues of tribe and nationality.
Late ivorian president had an open door policy which many many Burkinabes, Senegalese etc as dual citizens of their countries of origin and the Ivory Coast. He had an ambassador who was born in senegal.
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05 Jan 2008 : 15:44:10
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Many reasons combine why it is VERY IMPORTANT to trace Jammeh's birth place reality. He hates Gambia so much he refuses to have two of his only children born of a non Gambian mother to deliver in Gambia. His only interest on Gambia is to insult and exploit. Jammeh is certainly one person who hates Gambia and Gambians. In any fair court of law, there are people who will stand to testify this with sufficient beef of evidence. We all know and care about African Unity and the fraternity of mankind. That must not limit our appreciation of facts. Jammeh hates Gambia so much.
More evidence about his bias against Gambians. Being aware of his own birth place disputes Jammeh prefers to treat non Gambians with better facilities and jobs like he freely does with his native Cassamance settlers in Gambia. He was in fact voted by native Cassamance illegal voters. People with remote Gambian background have more chances in Gambia today than the typical natives. All these and many more fit together to condition Gambians verify Jammeh's true birth place and allegiance. To become president by the accidental occasion of a coup does not cleanse him of his alien reality. |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05 Jan 2008 : 16:29:22
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| What say you of Kukoi? I have my beefs with Jammeh as per his governance not where he decides to have his childen born or who he weds. How many Gambians (man , woman) are wedded to non-Gambians. How can jammeh hate the place he calls home like you and I? Where his family call home? com'on Karamba,Jammeh could be a despot but what he decides to do with his family is of little signifance to the rest of mankind as far as am concerned. Karamba i have told you in the past that your ranting are more to do with Jammeh as a person and not his Office. Your situation is similar to the burning issue ala SAM SARR Vs Dr.M SK manneh |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05 Jan 2008 : 16:43:16
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| Karamba, decption is no longer possible! Wake up from you oblivious slumber. This old tale of Cassamance people voting Jammeh is the most ridiculous thing i have heard in recent times. Come off it and face the reality as Sister Omega would have told you. Think of something better to sell us. To put it mildly Karamba that issue is CRAP! |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05 Jan 2008 : 17:35:06
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Madiba
No blend of salt and pepper dust will cause clear viewers close their eyes. Say or write it thousand times. Anyone who does the way Jammeh does is simply a hater of the country he does what he does. There is no sweeter way of explaining the ugly conducts of Yaya Jammeh. Call me by any name if that is OK for you. |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05 Jan 2008 : 18:15:34
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Does that mean that you have withdrawn the untrue statement of aliens voting Jammeh in power? Jammeh was a Gambian before 1994, he remains Gambian until such time that he forsakes that status.
If there is anyone rubbing salt and pepper its you Karamba. Love him , Hate him Jammeh is a Gambian. Gambia's president for now. Whatever his traits he is a Gambian and President of all Gambian. Period. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05 Jan 2008 : 18:23:50
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Madiba
Reserve some energy for the bigger issue. Let the whole wide world now believe that Jammeh is Gambian by all his several generations. He cheats, kills, steals and plays wicked on Gambians. Any word on that? Now that the whole world stays on your side that he is by all accounts Gambian and president too, tell the world about his robbing, killing, and all that others know about him. Tell the world you don't agree he steals and kills. Not for me to agree or disagree. |
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Dalton1
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Posted - 05 Jan 2008 : 22:51:01
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Bro. Madis,
Just for the records in this forum, there were some alleged illegal registrations of voters observed in Talinding during last presidential elections headed by Aziz Tamba, now incarcerated because of possession of unlicensed arms and soliciting funds using Jammeh’s name. The encounter in Sareh-Pateh is still fresh in memory. Now the obvious truth remains, we don’t know the level or magnitude at which these alleged registrations were done, but all indications are there that it happened. At the material time, I spoke with a respected political figure who I know have no reason to tell me otherwise and he confirmed these confined registration places operated illegally. Whether done at a small scale or big scale, it is still important that it matter to us. It should because it is a crime. It will be only criminal to support it too.
On the issue with Jammeh’s Gambian citizenship, it has been a talk for a long time. One person who was so into it was Shyngle Nyassi of the UDP who happens to be from Bwiam, the same neighborhood with Jammeh. Another one was Waa Juwara, UDP's former propaganda Secretary, now NDAM Secretary General. It was alleged then that Jammeh was born in “Kaamundai.” That’s a village in Cassamance. It is true we are Africans. Further, Gambians. But there are laws governing any country and that is called the rule of law. That law is what honest people should be after. If Jammeh is a citizen, so be him, like any of us. If it is true like alleged by many, then it creates a red flag. It is also a related story about how Essa Ceesay then NIA director questioned about Jammeh’s citizenship during his entry into the Gambian force. May be someone can confirm this here.
Being from the area, I know how these neighboring villages from Cassamance have migrated to the Gambian places now. You are from Njoro-Jattaba, and you are familiar with it too, very well, I assume. The fact is there is no strict observation over how they acquire their Gambian residency or citizenship. That I can openly bet and be a victor. Colonut cost is all you give out to an Alkalo or Seefor to get an attestation, from where you proceed to get an ID, voters card and eventually passport. In fact, the many from the neighboring cassamnce who schooled with us in primary school, before or after us, most of whom acquired english education are working in Government places. I know some of them. In fact, I know of a top prominent officer who falls a trap. It is a culture of "maslaya." It is culture of fitting one and another. True, we are all Sene-Gambians. Further, Africans. But is it supported by the Gambian constitution, the law under which we all salute as a nation, despite its flaws intentionally entered to surpress people.
On the tribal lining, I have always disagreed that Jammeh or the Jolas of Foni are tribalists. I reserve my argument on this till I see anyone trying to justify it here. The Jolas of Foni like any other Gambian tribe are just loyal to a man of their favorite. May be because of tribal pride. May be because of association. The degree at which it can be termed “tribalism” is negligible. The truth though remains Jammeh is a criminal ruler under whose reign, a lot of mayhem is observed. These are linked to his administration. Now the onus to clarify things lie on his head. It is the hope by every truthful person that justice will be done on earth and the hereafter.
I thought I could add to your debate with Karamba. I would suggest that you guys run a smooth debate before it gets to a level of name-calling where it will be monotonous and uncontrollable. FOR OR AGAINST!!
Thanks to both of you for the debate. I will add more lines as time permits me.
Regards,
Dalton. |
"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05 Jan 2008 : 23:30:57
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Thanks my brother Yero. My point with the Karamba is his inference that Jammeh was voted in by the casamancais. I am not surprised that you saw the loop hole in his argument, MAGNITUDE! How many illegal people voted ? In whose favour? Lets assume in the incumbent's Jammeh. I dnt have the figures with me, but by what margin did Jammeh defeat his opponents? Tallinding is a Jola hotspot, Jolas frm Foni-Gambia and Foni-Casamance. These people most of whom are economic migrants have ties with people in The Gambia esp Tallinding.Most settle down and start families like in Africa of old. To get access to the services they go in search of National identity card to afcilitate their stay. Sometimes politicians exploit the situation for their own selfish needs. Whatever, those spots of voter irregularity could not have made Jammeh President.
Since Jawara's time voter irregularity has been the case. I hate to call names, but maybe its Jammeh who is on the hotseat now. There are many non-Gambians who parade Gambian identity docs before 1994 and after. Many Fulas from Guinea, locally called POLFUTAS, Manjagos, Balantas, serrers from seenegal and Bissau hold these Gambian docs. What are we going to do abt them? Seize them? Send them back to their countries of origin? with the Gambian born children? What happens to the child born to Guinean parents, goes to school in The Gambia, does brilliantly wants to travel to UK or US to study, after studies return to The Gambia to serve The Gambia? Deny him a Gambian Passport? Lets use our heads and not heart just for one individual's sake. Yahya Jammeh being bad isnt enough reason to shut the door on innocent children.
Do you remember when immigration wanted to deport Baba Galleh Jallow and Alhai Yero Jallow of the independent? Yero's brother was a senior police officer then. If Yero is alien certainly his police commissioner brother too is alien.
Lets stop this witch-hunting lest we end up in an Ivory Coast situation. For those who dnt know, Alassane Outtara a former Vie President of the Ivory Coast was blcoked by the current President becos to him and other extremist Ivorians was not a PURE IVORIAN. Why? Becos his parents came across the border from Upper Volta , now BUrkina Faso. yet Outtara has served Ivory as Vice-President for many yrs. In addition Outtara is a from a minority tribe who are also Muslim. There are many Outtaras in The Gambia.
Foroyaa once wrote a piece of this flaw in our constitution, but the authroitoreis seem not to bother. I hope they take notice and take action now, before its too late.
Coming back to Foni and Kiang, many villages like your own Sintet has received families across the border from casamance , some are Mandinka speakers and Jolas. Go to Farafenni and the neigbouring vilages, Kaur etc, etc.
For the records both my parents are Gambian born so am not in that situation. I had friends who were non-fulas, they used to tease me and my fula friends that,DIBBA of NCP said he would send us all back to Guinea if he won and becomes President. Not knowing that some Fulas are as old as any other group in The Gambia. Though Fulas are of different dialects. Amongst us were some whose parents came from guinea. If you meet us going you wouldnt know who was who. We had half-Mandinkas and no wollofs amongst us but most of the time we spoke Wolof or Mandinka as the situation dictated. Once in our homes we spoke our own languages with our families.Or if we are by accident all Fula boys on our own we speak Fula.
My wife is not Fula. So my kids are half-cast.
So let Peace and sanity reign in our hearts to help us bring a better Gambia back after Jammeh and his cohorts are gone. Wa-Salaam. |
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Dalton1
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Posted - 05 Jan 2008 : 23:36:05
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Thanks bro. Madis,
I like your swings sometimes. I followed the said piece on Foroyaa then. I saw Baba Galleh thread on it in the other forum.
Very true a piece. It is Jolas, mandinkas, fulas Wollofs, Manjagos, et cetera....people of all tribes. That's the truth.
Regards,
Dalton. |
"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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Edited by - Dalton1 on 05 Jan 2008 23:38:16 |
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