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Janyanfara
Tanzania
1350 Posts |
 Posted - 17 Mar 2006 : 23:20:27
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Hi fellas,
I keep hearing FGM FGM FGM always but I keep woundering Why not men genetal mutilation?Are we not all exposed to the same kind of thing?
If there are any risks, why woun't I be exposed to it when they go 4 circumcission?
PLEASE I APPEAL TO ALL WHO WANT TO CONTRIBUTE TO TRY AND EDUCATE RATHER THAN USE FAUL LANGUAGES.i WOULD LIKE TRADITIONAL THINKING MEN and WOMEN TO COMMENT TO THIS TOPIC AS IT IS SO DEEP ROOTED THAT SINCE PROPHET ABRAHAM,
This practice had been in progress.But I wounder why now FGM and not MGM as well?
Thank you all
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sab
United Kingdom
912 Posts |
Posted - 18 Mar 2006 : 01:16:08
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Greetings, I see it is under Culture Forum Humour, well maybe it could bring tears to your eyes!
Men mutilate the genitals of other men; usually women mutilate the genitals of other women, except where the procedure is carried out by a male professional. In England a doctor will be struck off the medical register if it is found that he has carried out a female circumcision of any kind. He will NOT be struck off for splitting a penis down the middle so that its owner can insert rings in it fore and aft for the gratification of himself and partners. He will not be struck off but rather encouraged to ‘tidy up’ the ambiguous genitalia of intersexual newborns, usually by removing the inadequate penis and creating an opening that will pass for a vagina, so that the child becomes a girl, regardless of actual chromosomal make-up. And he may massively mutilate both men and women seeking gender reassignment. But he may not carry out any form of female circumcision at the request of a patient or her parents. Human beings have always modified the external appearance of their bodies in one-way or another; one man’s beautification is another man’s mutilation. Looked at in its full context the criminalization of FGM can be seen as an attack on cultural identity. Any suggestion that male genital mutilation should be outlawed would be understood to be a frontal attack on the cultural identity of Muslims & Jews. Notwithstanding, the opinion that male circumcision might be bad for babies, bad for sex and bad for men is steadily gaining ground. As we know female genital mutilation has been condemned as a violation of human rights by various organisations including the United Nations Family Planning Authority. No UN agency has uttered a protocol condemning the widespread practice of male genital mutilation, which will not be challenged until doctors start to be sued in large numbers by men they mutilated as infants. Silence on the question of male circumcision is evidence of the political power both of the communities where a circumcised penis is considered an essential identifying mark and of the practitioners who continue to do it for no good reason. Silence about male mutilation in our own countries combines nicely with noisiness on female mutilation in other countries to reinforce our notions of cultural superiority. Male genital mutilation is considered trivial; female genital mutilation is considered devastating even if it involves nothing more than nicking to provoke ritual bleeding. FGM takes so many forms that is is doubtful whether it represents a single phenomenon with a single cultural significance.
It is part of a posting from myself/The Old Forum beginning of last year. Best I could do this time around! Have a great weekend...Freedom & peace.
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
1350 Posts |
Posted - 04 Apr 2006 : 01:52:08
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sab,MGM is a very delicate issue and I think more men should join in to doscuss it.
Peace. |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 05 Apr 2006 : 01:37:18
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dONT YOU TKNOW THAT KONDORONG IS AROUND AND ALWAYS READY TO INITIATE. MGM CERTAINLY IS ALONG SHOT FROM BEING RECOGNISED. EVEN IN WORK PLACES, IT IS DIFFICULT FOR MEN TO COMPLAIN OF SEXUAL HARASSMENT FROM FEMALE CLLEAGUES AS PEOPLE TEND TO LAUGH AT THEM. SOCIETY HAS KIND OF AGREED THAT MEN WILL ALWAYS WELCOME ADVANCES FROM WOMEN AND HENCE LITTLE RECOGNITION IS GIVEN TO THEIR COMPLAINT.
SECONDLY, MEN ARE KIND OF CONSIDERED AS BEING SYNONYMOUS TO TAKING RISK AND PAIN AND AS SUCH IT LOOKS "NORMAL" AND LESS SYPATHETIC. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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Formby
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05 Apr 2006 : 13:31:06
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 05 Apr 2006 : 17:36:35
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Also it causes problems in childbirth...... Dont think this is an issue for men?
Why would a man want his wife to have a lack of sexual feeling? I dont get it! Is it so she wont bother straying coz its no fun?!
Like most issues between men and women it seems to be to be about power and control.
Women need to be empowered to stand firm and say they wont let it happen to their daughters......not easy.......but this is how change will come. |
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Formby
United Kingdom
246 Posts |
Posted - 05 Apr 2006 : 17:40:25
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GambiaBev, that's exactly why it is. Someone on here once opined that it made for 'happy families'. Yeah, like it's usually the woman who puts it about!
Anyway, did you have a good holiday? |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 05 Apr 2006 : 17:44:26
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| My trip was fantastic. When I write my journal I will try to post it so you can read it.....could be a while yet! |
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 05 Apr 2006 : 19:51:45
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I read that FGM can even cause infertility, and this, together with all other problems caused by FGM, makes it not in the least comparable with MGM.
You are right, kondorong, little attention is paid to male victims of sexual harassment. You write "...AS PEOPLE TEND TO LAUGH AT THEM", but you should better say "...as other men tend to laugh at them". Men still set the rules, and I strongly believe it is the fear of losing his face before other men what makes a man keep quiet about harassment. If men were able to give up the false concept of dominance, many things would be easier... |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 05 Apr 2006 : 21:29:59
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That is right. Men would laugh at other men for talking about harassment from a femal co-worker. It is as though men will always throw themselves forward. In Islam at least, the way i was taught, FGM is not compulsory.
Islam has always made allowance where health is concerned. For exmple, you do not need water abolution if that will cause your illness to worsen, eat pork if that is the only option to survive, stop fasting if unhealthy etc.
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“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 05 Apr 2006 : 22:13:15
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i agree Islam has no gaps. when men convert into islam it is a requirement to have them circumcised to complete the convertion. when women convert for example this is not a requirement! i think the problem with FGM or whatever u want to call it is that those who advocate for it through Islam give only one reference which is not binding and is disputed by most scholars, hence it is not practised in the majority of islamic countries including old states like S. Arabia. i guess FGM has been discussed extensively in the Bantaba
MGM I dont really understand as i think there is a lot of personal choice there, and its voluntary. a man who goes for a piercing is doing it to himself by his own free will. |
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
1350 Posts |
Posted - 03 Jun 2006 : 01:05:20
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Anyway,
As I keep saying FGM is a female issue and women must take the first step to stop it if it is really so harmful to them,One thing I am sure of is this two mutilations have been going on for thousands of years since the Days of the Father of prophets Abraham.I don't understand why he would then circumcised his daughter and sons if it is such harmful thing to do after all I heard he was inspired by God as a convenant between him and God.Can some one enlighten me on this?Women who have been circumcised do have childreen from one to as many as eleven or even more so I don't understand where the infertility lies whether in the man or woman?
Sory if I offend anyone I just want to learn as such things features in my book and no one knows everything.
Peace
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Janky
United Kingdom
92 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jun 2006 : 16:26:03
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FGM/MGM is something which has been happening for generations BUT does that mean it is the right thing to do? Maybe it is because we are making more progress in medine now, that it has been noted of the problems that IT does cause especially for women. Men tend to have MGM more nowadays beacuse of medical problems especially in the UK, I am not sure of any other westernised country enlighten me please.
My personel opinion is that if there is any chance that FGMMGM will cause ANY problems to a women/man, wether it is their culture or not it should NOT be done.
I am not 100% certain of the reasons behind this procedure but I would cetainly like to know and try to understand. All I know is that what I have been told about it I dont agree with as I find it difficult to understand why any parent would like to put their children through this unneccesary pain and risk. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jun 2006 : 02:01:16
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Originally posted by sab
Greetings, I see it is under Culture Forum Humour, well maybe it could bring tears to your eyes!
Men mutilate the genitals of other men; usually women mutilate the genitals of other women, except where the procedure is carried out by a male professional. In England a doctor will be struck off the medical register if it is found that he has carried out a female circumcision of any kind. He will NOT be struck off for splitting a penis down the middle so that its owner can insert rings in it fore and aft for the gratification of himself and partners. He will not be struck off but rather encouraged to ‘tidy up’ the ambiguous genitalia of intersexual newborns, usually by removing the inadequate penis and creating an opening that will pass for a vagina, so that the child becomes a girl, regardless of actual chromosomal make-up. And he may massively mutilate both men and women seeking gender reassignment. But he may not carry out any form of female circumcision at the request of a patient or her parents. Human beings have always modified the external appearance of their bodies in one-way or another; one man’s beautification is another man’s mutilation. Looked at in its full context the criminalization of FGM can be seen as an attack on cultural identity. Any suggestion that male genital mutilation should be outlawed would be understood to be a frontal attack on the cultural identity of Muslims & Jews. Notwithstanding, the opinion that male circumcision might be bad for babies, bad for sex and bad for men is steadily gaining ground. As we know female genital mutilation has been condemned as a violation of human rights by various organisations including the United Nations Family Planning Authority. No UN agency has uttered a protocol condemning the widespread practice of male genital mutilation, which will not be challenged until doctors start to be sued in large numbers by men they mutilated as infants. Silence on the question of male circumcision is evidence of the political power both of the communities where a circumcised penis is considered an essential identifying mark and of the practitioners who continue to do it for no good reason. Silence about male mutilation in our own countries combines nicely with noisiness on female mutilation in other countries to reinforce our notions of cultural superiority. Male genital mutilation is considered trivial; female genital mutilation is considered devastating even if it involves nothing more than nicking to provoke ritual bleeding. FGM takes so many forms that is is doubtful whether it represents a single phenomenon with a single cultural significance.
It is part of a posting from myself/The Old Forum beginning of last year. Best I could do this time around! Have a great weekend...Freedom & peace.
I searched for days this topic to expressed my compliments on this article. Sab "lets call a spade a spade", you really know your stuff! Gambia needs you at home. |
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Newfy
Western Samoa
462 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jun 2006 : 06:07:10
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Hiya all -- heres some more evidence about the real effects of FSM on women. i think Sister Omega mentioned infant mortality, a result of FSM, well, here's the scoops.. pls read below.
"Female genital mutilation increases babies' mortality"
http://www.afrol.com/articles/19637
from Afrol news.
afrol News, 2 June - A new study published today documents that women who have had Female Genital Mutilation (FGM) are "significantly more likely" to experience difficulties during childbirth and their babies are more likely to die as a result of the traditional yet gruesome practice. The study involved 28,393 women at 28 obstetric centres in six countries, where FGM is common - Burkina Faso, Ghana, Kenya, Nigeria, Senegal and Sudan.
The study was released today by the UN's World Health Organisation (WHO), which used the occasion to repeat its calls for a total abolition of the practice, which currently affects 100 million people worldwide. FGM, which is often referred to as 'female circumcision', however is most prevalent in Africa.
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ABRAHAM
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