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Santanfara
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 Posted - 26 Oct 2007 : 18:35:58
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| now that you made yourself clear brikama ,what cause of action do you want us to take ? |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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brikama
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Posted - 27 Oct 2007 : 02:29:30
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Santanfara,
The cause of action for anyone to take will depend on that person's understanding of issues affecting the Gambia. Some people think that any means to remove the current regime from power is desirable while some disagree with that notion. Instead, they cite democratic means of power transfer as desirable. However, majority of Gambian people want to see this government gone and never to return.
I believe that democracy is the most ideal form of government and should always be given chance over others. True democracy must be based on the wishes and aspirations of the people by creating a government by the people and for the people, where leaders serve as representatives to ensure that those whishes and aspirations are attainable. True democracy must ensure a system of checks and balances between the organs of the government—executive, legislature, and judiciary—to promote the wishes and aspirations of the people. True democracy must promote rule of law, freedom of speech, free press and other universal human rights. True democracy does not allow indiscriminate abduction of citizens and subjecting them to illegal detention, torture, and senseless killing. True democracy encourages people to standup for their rights without fear of unnecessary retributions.
Therefore, I will never support a move that would undemocratically remove a democratically constituted government. However, one many wonder what type of government we have in the Gambia, is it a democracy? We all know that the last three presidential elections were not free and fair. We know that several innocent Gambian citizens have been illegally harassed, jailed, tortured, maimed, and killed by the government. We know that the government does not serve the wishes and aspirations of the people, instead it serve the interest of those running it. We know that the country is ran by one man, who claimed to possess supernatural powers and specifically predestined to rule the Gambia any how he sees fit.
I don’t think we have a democracy in the Gambia. What we have is a dictatorship. Throughout history dictators or privileged class have never voluntarily given up freedom, it must be demanded by the oppressed. Living condition of average Gambians have plummeted during the past thirteen years. All the gains we made are being gradually erased. The best educated and patriotic Gambians are running away from the country seeking better living and freedom in other countries. Many young Gambian are venturing into the deep blue seas with its wild winds, risking their very lives in order to run away from poverty and injustice at home. Majority of Gambians lives on less than a dollar a day. Most Gambians lack access to clean water, sanitary disposal systems and many other basic human needs, while the leaders of our governments own many farms, zoos with exotic animals, airplanes, masons, Swiss banks accounts. It is like the leadership is working for themselves and they own the Gambia together with the people and resources.
Conditions similar to the above led to change of government and manner of governance. So what are we going to do about it? Do we sit passively and wait for the regime’s demise or do we stand up and claim ownership of ourselves and our country? If we agree that the current status quo is undesirable, what would be the cause of action? I think this is where good leadership comes into play. We need to look for a leader who possesses the charisma and the records required to lead such a fight. We need a leader who would not only talk but also walk the walk. Then we would device a strategy which will spell out the specific causes of action.
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Santanfara
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Posted - 27 Oct 2007 : 10:50:46
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brikama ,not to dilute the topic which is about kanyiba ,i would like to point out that the cause of action you just express require a collective action.that is one thing which will be hard to achieve.affirmative action also needs strong financial backing.someone ,somewhere must be willing to give both moral and material support to aid the change of power.the current leader can easily be dislodge if the logistics are properly put in place.
but i always argue here that ,a leader must be given 100% support and we gambians are good at abandoning each other.we have a big problem.i will start a topic to that effect ,as i said earlier not to dilute the plight of our brother kanyiba kanyi .may God strenghten him.amen. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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Posted - 27 Oct 2007 : 17:36:41
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Brikama Gidda Falcurf, I get your point now. You are asking for seditious acitivities against the regime. I think it is best you either appoint yourself to lead that such illegal activity or you find another leader. Mr Darboe is a leader of a constitutionally constituted and responsible party whose aim [among others] is to restore democracy and rule of law in the Gambia. He is also one of the cream of our legal community. It is not and has never been his belief that the aims and objectives of his party could be achieved through illegal means or by flouting the basic tenets of the values they want to restore in the country. They will never attempt to usurp power. Instead, they will continue to seek the mandate of the people since that is a pre-requisite for the realisation of their goals. Therefore, the solution here is not to engage in criminality but to vote massively against the APRC anytime the choice is given again. Failure to do so will tantamount to legitimising the very issues you have raised here. So the problem is not Jammeh and his cohorts, I belief. It is the Gambian people ourselves. This is the bed we laid down for ourselves. We now have to lie on it until at such time when we shall make a sober choice as to who we want to lead our great country. The people will always get a government they deserve.
Also, I do not belief the Gambian situation have reached the levels of cases you have described above. You have gone a great length to make your case but am sorry, you have awfully failed.
Inatakununleyla Imangjangkulong |
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Edited by - Nyarikangbanna on 27 Oct 2007 19:36:56 |
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brikama
USA
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Posted - 28 Oct 2007 : 06:47:48
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Nyarikangbanna,
You wrote: “Brikama Gidda Falcurf, I get your point now. You are asking for seditious acitivities against the regime. I think it is best you either appoint yourself to lead that such illegal activity or you find another leader.”
Please, for the sake of Lawyer Darboe, I want to know how you arrive at the above conclusion. Where in my writing have I advocated for a “seditious activities” against the government? Be kind to the readers and writers by explaining how you arrived that you conclusion. I know for certain that you will not attempt to answer these questions; instead you will venture into name calling and outright lies.
During my short membership in this forum, I have witnessed many of your irresponsible comments about decent Gambians who just appear to disagree with your dangerous misguided ideas about reality. I read your immature response to dbaldeh, where you called him a liar and went further to insult his family. You must be a very angry man who constantly lives in darkness but pretend to be the most enlightened one by spreading lies about people.
Do you lack the faculties of reasoning? You behavior is a non-Gambian behavior. Gambians are known for their tolerance and mutual understanding. Gambians are respectful. I wonder where you learned your irresponsible, immature, outright stupid mannerism. I am sure your parents and the larger Gambian society did not teach you to be rude and immature in your reactions. We expect you to respect our rights to freely speak our minds without an ignorant vagabond insults us.
Why can’t we debate the issues that unit us and promote our common interest—a better Gambia for all—and forget about petty talks that divide us and empower our common enemy? If you cannot debate the issues, then you don’t have a place in this forum. We are determined to challenge anyone who tries to peddle lies and hatred.
Why can’t you defend you position with facts and ideas, rather than resort to personal attacks? Why can’t you defend the policies of your chosen party, UDP with facts and trends to convince your readers? Why can’t you talk about the issues affecting our dear mother land?
I don’t know about you, but I don’t want my grandchildren to seek asylum in the USA, UK, or anywhere else. I want them to fall in love with the Gambia as they come to further our dreams and aspirations in a free Gambia. In this Gambia, freedom and advancement would rule the diverse ways of life.
This dream can only come to pass if people like you would mature, see the world as it is, and apply Kant’s “categorical imperative” as a guiding force in your interaction with others. Only a fool starts a war he is certain not to win. Won’t someone be totally crazy to think that he can win an insulting competition on a forum like this? You sit behind the keyboard and write your insults and name calling without thinking that those you insult have the same tools and can also insult in return. I think your anger has turn into craziness which needs urgent attention before you start throwing your pants to the dogs.
Please, answer my questions, my article is still online for everyone to see your ignorance and misguided manners. You need to grow because we will not bore down to you or anyone else for that matter.
Brikama.
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
1382 Posts |
Posted - 30 Oct 2007 : 21:53:46
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Originally posted by brikama
Nyarikangbanna,
You wrote: “Brikama Gidda Falcurf, I get your point now. You are asking for seditious acitivities against the regime. I think it is best you either appoint yourself to lead that such illegal activity or you find another leader.”
Please, for the sake of Lawyer Darboe, I want to know how you arrive at the above conclusion. Where in my writing have I advocated for a “seditious activities” against the government? Be kind to the readers and writers by explaining how you arrived that you conclusion. I know for certain that you will not attempt to answer these questions; instead you will venture into name calling and outright lies.
Sedition is defined as any publication with intent to bring into hatred or contempt or excite hostility towards the state, government, parliament and administration of justice or with the aim of inducing reform by unlawful means or of promoting class warfare. You have argued for demonstration without permit or even to seek one. That is unlawful under the Public Order Act. Connect this to the second limb of the definition above, you end up with a seditious charge and possible conviction. Period. You now realise that your case has been diluted. I am out of it in perpetuity.
Inaata Kununleyla Imang Jankulung |
I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
Edited by - Nyarikangbanna on 30 Oct 2007 23:34:17 |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 31 Oct 2007 : 17:25:46
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Latest developments from the Point Newspaper about U.D.P leadership; UDP’s Femi Peters Speaks Out
Reflecting on Ousman Rambo Jatta’s Ordeal under http://www.thepoint.gm/headlines2440.htm |
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
1350 Posts |
Posted - 02 Nov 2007 : 18:50:03
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| I URGE THE OPPOSITION BODY EXPACIALLY THE UDP IN THE GAMBIA TO BOYCOTT THE COMMING AREA COUNCIL AND ANY FUTURE ELECTION IN RETALIATION TO THE GOVERNMENT OF YAYA JAMMEH'S FAILURE TO RESPECT THE LAW AND THE COURTS OF THE GAMBIA BY FAILING TO RELEASE KANYIBA KANYI FROM UNLAWFUL DETENTION. |
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brikama
USA
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Posted - 02 Nov 2007 : 22:53:03
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Janyanfara,
I agree with you,the opposition camp should boycott all elections until the rule of law, human rights and democray are fully respected in the Gambia.
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
1350 Posts |
Posted - 08 Nov 2007 : 23:49:00
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You see Brikama and Nyari,
please come together for we have to join with one voice if we are serious about weeding out the thurn Jammeh has become to Gambians.
We must see the Gambia and put away individual concerns.The common concern should surpass all and that is the concern of THE GAMBIA ,MOTHER GAMBIA, FATHER GAMBIA, SON GAMBIA, DAUGHTER GAMBIA, and VERYTHING GAMBIA.
YERO SIMEY BAKONO NYA WOO NYANG, ABUCA KEE NO BAMBOOTI
(How ever long a log has spent in water, it can't turn into a crocodile)
We shall remain foreigners in a foreign land no matter whether we possesed their citizenship papers.
One woman asked me one day where do you come from?
I answered ...Am a citizen here
and she re asked 'I mean oreginally where you come from'?
then she continued I know you come from Africa but I mean where your parents or ancestors oreginates?
This shows we are still termed as not belonging there.
Am sure no one would ask me in the Gambia wheither I oreginally come from Europe or USA despite my light skin
So fellow citizens lets all stop swearing at each other and confront the poisonous pyton.If not I fear repressal after Jammeh.Now is the time so that we could deal with the healing process as soon as possible.Gambians are very much intermarried now that we are all one when you investigate well.Thats why I cried when I learnt that one of the killers of my cousin married my wife's sister.Now how can I hate that brutal killer's family when his and mine are first cousins? |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
1382 Posts |
Posted - 10 Nov 2007 : 17:28:36
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What UDP actually did to end the detentions of Rambo and Kanyiba. It is now clear that it was not Amnesty International which first identify Rambo's place of detention but UDP. See below Senegambianews.com
Mr. Darboe it’s good news that your party militant and councilor for Bakau, Mr. Ousman Jatta (Rambo) has been released from illegal detention. People are asking this question: has the United Democratic Party, the UDP done anything to secure his release?
Darboe;- I really don’t know what type of statement that’s meant to be. Obviously when both Kanyiba Kanyi and Rambo were arrested in September, last year, it was the UDP that championed their cause, the UDP that secured the services of lawyers in the person of Mrs. Chongan to file an application in the High Court for their release on bail and she secured a Court Order on the 17th of October, 2006 directing the Inspector General of Police to have Rambo released unconditionally. And, another Order directed to the Director General of the National Intelligence Agency (NIA), who had and still has custody of Kanyiba Kanyi to have him released immediately. Both agencies claimed that they did not have custody of the men. But we made it quite clear to the presiding Judge that Rambo was arrested and taken to Gunjur Police station and from there he was moved to Sibanor, then Kanlagi and latterly to Fatoto. I had always maintained that Kanyiba was being kept at the headquarters of the NIA in Banjul.
Now, when the government did not comply with the Order for their (Rambo and Kanyiba) unconditional release, I, personally filed habeas corpus application on their behalf. And during the course of the proceeding, I made it known to the Judge that Kanyiba was at the NIA headquarters in Banjul and that Rambo was in police custody at Sare Ngai, although these were matters that authorities denied. They claimed that they never had them in their custody. But, I produced to the Court minutes of the IEC (Independent Electoral Commission) meeting, where the former Secretary of State for Interior, Lt. Colonel Babucarr Jatta acknowledged that he ordered the arrest of both gentlemen. So, I cannot understand when people ask about what UDP has done. The UDP secured the services of lawyers, including myself to have both men released and this is what we have always done in the past. Whenever any of our militants is arrested because of his or her political activities we stand by him or her – we don’t just make statements in the press but we also challenge authorities to have our people released. That has always been our strategy and position since 1996.
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
1382 Posts |
Posted - 10 Nov 2007 : 17:55:51
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Originally posted by Janyanfara
You see Brikama and Nyari,
please come together for we have to join with one voice if we are serious about weeding out the thurn Jammeh has become to Gambians..........
Janyanfara, thanks for your comments. I agree that we should come together to fight a common enemy but I also happen to believe that such unity must be based on a just and parri passau form of equitable premise, Mr Darboe have just spoken to Senegambianews.com on this subject and I entirely agree and support every word and sentence he has spoken therein. It is therefore up to the other side to reform themselves for the purpose of achieving unity. If they don't, Please be assured that Mr Darboe and the UDP will not go dowm on their knees to beg them. They will leave it to the people of the Gambia [as they have done before] to decide whether to back a UDP led coalition and get rid of APRC or do otherwise and remain stuck with Jammeh and all the consequences connected thereto. That choice is for the Gambian people to make, not UDP or Mr Darboe. See below senegambianews.com.
The formation of NADD (National Alliance for Democracy and Development), Mr. Darboe. NADD came up before the last General Elections as a result of a merger of opposition political parties to remove this government. Gambians had hope in NADD, many people. I can attest to that here in the United States you had a lot of support and people were really hopeful that change was within sight. But all of a sudden there was a split in NADD. Would there be another NAAD? Another coalition to remove Jammeh?
Darboe;- I certainly do not rule out the possibilities of a coalition. There can be another coalition but I will never abandon the UDP for any other party and, if anyone thinks I, ousainou Darboe will leave UDP for any other party, you must be living in a dream world. If you recall the treatment that was meted out to Shingle Nyassi, Yusupha Cham, Wassa Janneh…and just recently, Rambo. What has happened to Rambo was not because he belongs to some other opposition political party but because he belongs to the UDP. That was why they have been exposed to such enormous, inhuman treatment… so my conscience doesn’t allow me to abandon that party to join another party . There has to be very compelling reasons for me to do that, very compelling reasons for me to do so. I know there was a great deal of ‘support’ for NADD in the United states. But I am not sure whether some of those people who were really supporting NADD from the United States were really genuine in their support. Because when you support a cause, one should do so realistically. Personally, I believe the people in the United States did a lot… I was aware of the increase in Atlanta, the Midwest and other parts of the US… we know what the Gambians want; they want to be liberated and certainly they know what type of leadership they need. There is a possibilty of having a united front and what that united front is going to be I cannot tell you. I do not know what political consecration it will take.
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brikama
USA
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Posted - 11 Nov 2007 : 08:33:44
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The following are quotes of Mr. Darboe as he answered the question “has the United Democratic Party, done enough to secure the release of Rambo and Kanyiba?”
1. The UDP secured the services of lawyers in the person of Mrs. Chongan to file an application in the High Court for their release on bail and she secured a Court Order on the 17th of October, 2006 directing the Inspector General of Police to have Rambo released unconditionally and the NIA to have Kanyiba released unconditionally.
2. Now, when the government did not comply with the Order for their (Rambo and Kanyiba) unconditional release, I, personally filed habeas corpus application on their behalf. And during the course of the proceeding, I made it known to the Judge that Kanyiba was at the NIA headquarters in Banjul and that Rambo was in police custody at Sare Ngai, although these were matters that authorities denied.
3. But, I produced to the Court minutes of the IEC (Independent Electoral Commission) meeting, where the former Secretary of State for Interior, Lt. Colonel Babucarr Jatta acknowledged that he ordered the arrest of both gentlemen.
4. So, I cannot understand when people ask about what UDP has done. The UDP secured the services of lawyers, including myself to have both men released and this is what we have always done in the past. Whenever any of our militants is arrested because of his or her political activities we stand by him or her – we don’t just make statements in the press but we also challenge authorities to have our people released.
My question to Mr. Darboe is what next. Are you going to let Kanyiba rot in detention, knowing fully well that he is detained by the government due to his affiliation with the UDP? Can’t the UDP find a remedy to the government denial of illegally incarcerating its supporters and violating the basic covenant of our law?
I applaud Mr. Darboe and the UDP for taking the cause of legal remedy in the case of Rambo and Kanyiba. But is it sufficient to take legal actions against Jammeh? From Darboe’s interview, it is clear that the government has refused to obey a court order for the unconditional release of the UDP duo. The government even refused to acknowledge keeping them. Darboe must realize that the courts, police force, and most other vital institutions of our democracy are hijacked by Jammeh and cronies and are ran to satisfy their desires at the detriment of Gambians. Are we going to keep on obeying unjust laws for the sake of keeping the peace at our detriment and Jammeh’s benefit?
According to Dr. Martin Luther King, there are two types of laws: just laws and unjust laws. He said that “one has not only a legal but moral responsibility to obey just laws and conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.” According to St. Augustine, “an unjust law is no law at all.” A just law promotes the welfare of all, while an unjust law promotes the welfare of a few.
For example, in the issues of Kanyiba, the government has denied keeping him, while everyone knows that he is being kept by the government. Do we stop at the government’s denial or are there other causes of action to free our brother from torture and other forms inhumane treatments?
I believe very strongly that the UDP can do more to free their comrade who is in great need of help. I am positive that if Darboe threaten the government with demonstrations, including street demonstration for Kanyiba’s release, he would be released. Period. Personally, I don’t think it’s necessary to ask for a permit to correct a blatant violation of rights of Gambian citizens. I believe requiring a permit to perform a civic duty is unjust and need not be obeyed.
Brikama
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 13 Nov 2007 : 13:55:37
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Good news hearing consideration for a UNITED NATIONAL FORNT. However the messages from these quotes (Darboe's interview) appear to be irreconcilable, uncompromising or level of frequencies miles apart; as follows:-
Darboe;- i) "I certainly do not rule out the possibilities of a coalition. There can be another coalition but I will never abandon the UDP for any other party and, if anyone thinks I, ousainou Darboe will leave UDP for any other party, you must be living in a dream world."
ii) "There is a possibilty of having a united front and what that united front is going to be I cannot tell you. I do not know what political consecration it will take." END OF QUOTE.
I never subscribed to a 'Party led coalition' as it is prone to abuse mandate, domination by party stalwarts of major party, a group of executive or elites, manipulation by highly influence lobby groups of major party, hidden agendas, mistrust & supicions, lack of transparency, corruption, blackmail, dictatorship, biased, mafia style of deals and all sorts of weaknesses. Therefore a party led coalition is an UNFAIR & INEQUITABLE PLATFORM FOR OPPOSITION PARTIES.
However we can fix this and bridge the gap with the believe that: "Nothing is impossible as the impossible is possible!". For strategic reasons it may be good to be flexible, make scarifices and compromise at times.
It is my fervent hope that that N.A.D.D is REFORMED AND REFURBISHED THROUGH PROPER NEGOTIATIONS, PURPOSE, NEW DEALS, TERMS & CONDITIONS and for opposition to rally under ONE BANNER & UMBRELLA, UNIFIED MANIFESTO, ONE WELL COORDINATED PARTY STRUCTURE (AND OF COURSE BEING 'UNITED NATIONAL FRONT'),COMBINATION OF RESOURCES & MOBILISED EFFORTS TOGETHER THROUGH A PROPER EXECUTIVE COUNCIL OR AUHTORITY TO LAUNCH (THE COALITION FOR A UNITED NATIONAL FRONT), INAUGURATE LEADERSHIP STRUCTURES, FORMAL COMMUNICATIONS & NETWORKING INODER TO SUPPORT AND DIRECT THE LEADERSHIP GIVEN, A WELL DEFINED MANDATE THROUGH THEIR VISIONS RESPECTIVELY FOR LIBERATION, EMPOWERMENT, DEVELOPMENT, PEACE, PROGRESS, PROPSPERITY & FORWARD THE GAMBIA OUR HOMELAND TOWARDS THE COMMON GOOD .
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