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jambo
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 Posted - 22 Oct 2007 : 10:29:22
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soul is atmospheric, as opposed to being in a shape that you can touch, sometimes you feel "Vibe"/ sense of something. But scientists and yourself  , need hard facts, well can't give them to you. TURK   |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Oct 2007 : 14:11:40
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Originally posted by kayjatta
Turk can't you read? I have said that the concept of "soul" is archaic (out of use) in science partly because it does not comply with the scientific method.
many earlier philosophers and scientists believed the soul to be something akin to invisible "energy" filling the "inner body" of living things. If the soul departs the body , then that body is not alive anymore, and this is exactly what was believed to happen at death. This concept is perhaps important to explain and justify resurrection.
However, the concept of "soul", much like the concept of "ether" in cosmology has been pretty much dropped in modern science.
One can safely say that as far as science is concerned, there is nothing like the "soul". That is why when Kondorong said he is referring to the soul in a religious sense (and not in a scientific sense) I left him alone.
I hope this clarifies everything for you, if it doesn't I am afraid talk to Santafara or Mbay please.
Kay! In my own words; I do understand SCIENCE as adavancement of HYPOTHETICAL THEORIES,, LOGICAL REASONING/THINKING, PHILOSOPHYCAL & TESTS OF INTELLIGENCE used to sustain, expand or advance mankind's knowledge! The scientific methods involve collate data & information, decode / analyse them logically /intelligently for some facts or results and any form of useful informataion that can be used productively and depending on your own needs. Experiments and use of certain gadgets, tools & intruments also aid with fact finding and results that are required. Science involves both the physical and logical information. Having said that science is not exclusively what you see but also about what you get or understand more intelligently. It covers all aspects of mankind and has advanced overtime as our modern technology age.
I believe that we would also be wrong accepting veracity in terms of 'WHAT IS SOUL IN SCIENCE?' if we try to equate it with other organs or a living organisms physical existence, physical production , where is the product and seeing in believing etc. I mean PHYSICAL EXISTENCE OR LOGICAL EXISTENCE. There must be an answer and understanding by SCIENCE AND SCIENTIST of these terms; SOUL, NATURE, NATURAL, NATURAL CREATIONS BECAUSE OTHER NATURAL PROCESSES FOR EXAMPLE REPRODUCTION CYCLE, PHOTOSYNTHESIS, HYBERNATION, GENETICS & 'PLAYING GOD!' HAVE BEEN CRACKED BY SCIENCE!
BE AND IT BECAME! |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02 Nov 2007 : 03:15:11
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Originally posted by kayjatta
Turk can't you read? I have said that the concept of "soul" is archaic (out of use) in science partly because it does not comply with the scientific method.
many earlier philosophers and scientists believed the soul to be something akin to invisible "energy" filling the "inner body" of living things. If the soul departs the body , then that body is not alive anymore, and this is exactly what was believed to happen at death. This concept is perhaps important to explain and justify resurrection.
However, the concept of "soul", much like the concept of "ether" in cosmology has been pretty much dropped in modern science.
One can safely say that as far as science is concerned, there is nothing like the "soul". That is why when Kondorong said he is referring to the soul in a religious sense (and not in a scientific sense) I left him alone.
I hope this clarifies everything for you, if it doesn't I am afraid talk to Santafara or Mbay please.
Oh erudite Kay with knowledge of politics, law, physiology & science! COSMOS and BIG BANG CONCEPTS (they call to our mind) are Allah's territory and its good mankind to continue everlasting seek of knowledge as he cannot conquer Allah's abundance & wisdom. More on reflections of CREATIONS, NATURE, THE CONCEPT OF SOUL ("SPIRIT"), LIFE & DEATH from intepretations and ADVANCE SCIENTIFIC FACTS, LOGICS & WISDOM of the AMAZING, WONDERFUL, COMPLETE & GLORIOUS HOLY QURAN as reproduced below:-
"Sura" (Chapter) 30.19 translation reads:
It is He Who brings out
The living from the dead, And brings out the dead
From the living, and Who
Gives life to the earth
After it is dead;
And thus shall ye be
Brought out (from the dead)
Interpretation above "sura" (chapter)reads:
"From the death matter Allah's creative act produces life and living matter, and even science has not yet been able to explain the mystery of life. Life and living matter again seem to reach maturity and again die, as we see every day. No material thing seems to have perpetual life. But again we see the creative process of Allah constantly at work, and the cycle of life and death seems to go on.
The earth itself, seemingly so inert, produces vegetable life at once from a single shower of rain, and in various ways sustain life. Normally it seems to die in the winter in northern climates, and in drought evrywhere, and the spring revives its glory. Metaphorically many movements, institutions, organisations, seem to die and then to live again, all under the wonderful dsipensation of Allah. So will our personality be revived when we die on this earth, in order to reap the fruuit of this probationary life.
In apite of the lowly origin of man's body, Allah has given him a mind and soul by which he can almost compass the farthest reaches of Time and Space. Is this not enough for a miracle or Sign? From a physical point of view, see how man, a creature of dust, scatters himself over the farthest corners of the earth!
Another Sura (Chapter) 30.25, 26,27 translation reads:
25: And among His Signs is this,
That heaven and earth
Stand by His Command,
Then when He calls you,
By a single call, from the earth,
Behold, ye (straightaway) come forth.
26: To Him belongs every being
That is in the heavens
And on earth; all are
Devoutlt obedient to Him.
27: It is He Who begins
The creation,
Then repeats it, and
For Him it is most easy.
To Him belongs the loftiest
Similitude (we can think of)
In the heavens and the earth;
For He is most Exhalt in might.
Full of wisdom.
Interpretation above sura chapters reads:
"In the physical world, the sky and the earth, as we see them, stand unsupported, by the artistry of Allah. They bear witness to Allah, and in-that our physical life depends on them-the earth for its produce and the sky for rain, the heat of the sun, and other phenomena of nature-they call to our mind our relation to Allah Who made them and us. How can we then be so dense as not to realise that our highest Future-Our Ma'ad-is bound up with the call and the mercy of Allah?
All nature in Creation not only obeys Allah, but devoutly obeys Him, i.e. glories in its privilege of service and obedience. Why should we not do otherwise? It is part of our original unspoilt nature, and we must respond to it, as all beings do, by thheir very nature.
Where the same phrase began the argument about the beginning and end of all things being with Allah. This has been illustrated by refrence to various Signs of creation, and now the argument is rounded off with the same phrase.
Allah's glory and Allah's attributes are above any names we can give to them. Human lanquage is not adequate to express them. We can only form some idea of them at our present stage by means of Similitudes and Parables. But even so, the highest we can think of falls short of the true Reality. For Allah is higher and wiser than the highest and wisest we can think of." |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 02 Nov 2007 : 05:26:25
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You see way back in 1980's when I was in high school, I tried to discuss the nine planets with a childhood friend of mine. His argument was this: "If science believe that there are nine worlds, then they should tell us who the prophets of those worlds are since our prophet in this world is Muhammad".
I, with all due respect, would not be dragged into such unintelligent argument.
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turk
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Posted - 02 Nov 2007 : 05:39:45
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 02 Nov 2007 : 05:49:37
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| Don't you have any intelligent idea in your head to express besides insults, Turk ? Are you really okay...? |
Edited by - kayjatta on 02 Nov 2007 05:51:07 |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 02 Nov 2007 : 06:22:29
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| It is not insult. It is diagnosis. I mean whenever you open your mouth, it is always about islam. You have this paranoia that everthing about islam is bad. Also, you have Illusions that some terrorist/fundamentalist constantly chasing you. I am really concerned about your health. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 02 Nov 2007 : 06:35:38
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Please, do not worry about me , I'm just cool. You can do me a favor though; just contribute your ideas because I may benefit from those better than if you attack me personally. I consider myself above personal attacks, so if you do not 'tuck your tail' I may ignore you as irrelevant.
No I do not talk about only religion. You probably only read the religion section because that caters for you 'primitive brain'. If you ever have the courage to read other sections (political, general, cultural, scince, etc) you will see plenty of my contributions.
Just yesterday I have had a fruitful exchange of ideas with Sibo in another area. She is very smart and articulate and I truly appreciate such people's conversation, but not a simpleton like you...sorry. |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 02 Nov 2007 : 07:17:41
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02 Nov 2007 : 07:33:18
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Originally posted by kayjatta
You see way back in 1980's when I was in high school, I tried to discuss the nine planets with a childhood friend of mine. His argument was this: "If science believe that there are nine worlds, then they should tell us who the prophets of those worlds are since our prophet in this world is Muhammad".
I, with all due respect, would not be dragged into such unintelligent argument.
Thank you.
Thats your own IQ and not mine! |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 02 Nov 2007 : 07:37:26
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| There you go Kobo, Thank you. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 02 Nov 2007 : 07:43:11
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Originally posted by kayjatta
Please, do not worry about me , I'm just cool. You can do me a favor though; just contribute your ideas because I may benefit from those better than if you attack me personally. I consider myself above personal attacks, so if you do not 'tuck your tail' I may ignore you as irrelevant.
No I do not talk about only religion. You probably only read the religion section because that caters for you 'primitive brain'. If you ever have the courage to read other sections (political, general, cultural, scince, etc) you will see plenty of my contributions.
Just yesterday I have had a fruitful exchange of ideas with Sibo in another area. She is very smart and articulate and I truly appreciate such people's conversation, but not a simpleton like you...sorry.
So Kay we are not smart! ...with 'primitive brain! and am I trying to drag you on unintelligible arguments
Am not on arguments with you but forwarding selected authentic material to appreciate the rationale of nature, creations, matter (both living & non-living things), life & dead from an AUTHORITATIVE SOURCES OF KNOWLEDGE AND THE CORE BOOK OF ISLAM (HOLY QURAN) SO THAT YOU CAN SEE SENSE, DEDUCE BASIC FACTS & LOGIC AND THEN TO APPLY YOUR COMMON SENSE AND INTELLIGENCE TO EXPAND YOUR KNOWLEDGE, EXPERIMENTS & LEARN FURTHER.
Make sure to read and any line thas difficult for you to understand, please refer them back to me to substantiate and clarify the interpretations.
C. u. later on additional summaries concerning this topic! |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 02 Nov 2007 : 07:54:57
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| You see Kobo, I have never been attracted to your writing for the fact that you are too verbose, and you hardly ever express your opinion ( I do not know if you really ever had one). All you ever did, it seems, is throw a stack of references to the readers. Of course it is good to give references, but good writers also develop a point of view and express that clearly... |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 09 Nov 2007 : 22:28:35
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Originally posted by kayjatta
You see way back in 1980's when I was in high school, I tried to discuss the nine planets with a childhood friend of mine. His argument was this: "If science believe that there are nine worlds, then they should tell us who the prophets of those worlds are since our prophet in this world is Muhammad".
I, with all due respect, would not be dragged into such unintelligent argument.
Thank you.
Kay!
1) After I have forwarded translations and interpretations of the Holy quran and you read them, what have you analysed to rate me as in your own words: "You see way back in 1980's when I was in high school, I tried to discuss the nine planets with a childhood friend of mine."
2) Why can't you show some respect to Prophet Muhammad in always trying to discredit him in your weak arguments above; ""If science believe that there are nine worlds, then they should tell us who the prophets of those worlds are since our prophet in this world is Muhammad".
3) Finally I observed that its your trick (by using the power of the pen) with your provocative words and cheap rhetorics (including your previous post addressed to me above); only to divert us on the core focus of this topic to share, understand and learn more about logic and the belief in life & death. Am not interested in any contest of being a good writer or whatever competition but exploiting this website to share our common interests on INFORMATION, interactive, debates, exchange of ideas, learn as much from others, utilised it and develope my insights on a range of ISSUES!
Life and death is about wondering in the wilderness!
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