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Santanfara
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 Posted - 14 Oct 2007 : 12:09:58
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every human being one way or the other is expecting his big day,the unfortunate day he/she will depart from love ones and friends.
he is either crimated or burried.whatever the mode of burrial ,the person just have expired from this world.as sheik Almoravid stated''his world is finished,he has withinessed his dooms day''.we the living keep on worrying ourselves about when the ocean layers will finally colapse,natural desasters will become prevalent,when some alians will invade us .but the dead will never come back.
no scientist can bring back a dead and burried person.
the dead slowly get forgoten by friends ,then love ones,once in a while we remember them fundly .but we cannot be with them.
we the living imagine ,what is like to die ? what happen during that process of the organs giving in to the unseen power or force taking effect on our organs ? we only read medical journals and some sceintific analysis ,but those explanations cannot solve the problem of excaping death .
who is that can avoid death ? i read with keen interest the amount of fortune amassed by people like david rogafela ,nathen rothchilds ,onasis and the many more billoinairs who passed away.
powerful men too die .from flanbouyant heads of state to dictators,they all die ,from strong will leaders like reagan,yaser arafat ,abdul nasser all of them are dead .the hard face dictator like sani abacher is also no more .who do we answer to after all our crime spee whilst living ? do we go just like that unaccount ? what about the leaders with excutive powers who authorise the leveling certain country's infracstures ,do they too just die without any sort of account ? it baffles me.
the key question is WHY DO WE HAVE TO DIE ?.
muslims are told that ''death is a test for them'' a sign of the human limitations .after death the creator takes account of his creation ,the human .
but then the reason we die is very puzzling .for now we cannot excape it .
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Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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mbay
Germany
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Posted - 15 Oct 2007 : 18:09:35
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Brother Santa. this you question is heavy than the load it self.
In a scientific way ,is the organ failure.(am asking my self then what about those dies in accidents)off couse there is also lost of organ but has it not fixed also?
Anyway in Muslims prospectives is that every Human has its fixed date.(NO ESCAPE)and we are here just like some one going to his maize field try to collect the good ones out of bad ones. So the way you take care of your farm the more goods you will get out there.But why we have to die, only the almighty knows. |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 15 Oct 2007 : 21:54:29
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The answer is simple. We have to die so we can be accountable for our deeds.Its because there is another world different from this one, and because we have to transistion to that world, then we must die to reach there.
Death was created before life was, and as such, we are just reacting to a natural law that is inevtable. We die because, like at the end of a day's work, one goes home. Home is not here on earth. This world is like our work places and we surely will return home. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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jambo
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Posted - 16 Oct 2007 : 10:27:45
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IN A practical sense we have to die to make way for the new generation, otherwise there would be serious climate issue, food, space etc if no one died.  |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 16 Oct 2007 : 10:46:17
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Thank you Jambo! Life itself can only be sustained by dying. It appears that the life of living things is propelled by propagation, once that is accomplished the body starts to degenerate (old age) and the dying process begins. In some species, as soon as reproduction is carried out and the DNA is propagated the parent dies right away. In other species longer periods of reproduction and nursing young ones require a longer life span. Some times individuals with genetic defects that are not fit for survival are eliminated from the gene pool by early death before adolescence. Earnest Hemmingway argued that "death is the end of all things". We all come to die sooner or later...
This is just to add a bit of science to the mix. |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 16 Oct 2007 : 18:13:58
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| Well religion tells us that we did not come here to propagate but to worship. Well thats where science and religion dont mix. Although the Bible said " Go Ye and multiply...", it has also entrenched in the " Lord's Prayer", the doctrine of sin and salvation. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 16 Oct 2007 : 21:02:36
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You are absolutely right Kondorong! Islam also encourage its followers to greatly "propagate"(and spread).
I think we can agree that ,unless we want to be "literalists", life is meant to be a little more than worship, hence:"seek this world as if you are never gonna die, but also seek the hereafter as if you are gonna die today". |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 16 Oct 2007 : 21:08:45
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quote:
Originally posted by kayjatta
[br]seek this world as if you are never gonna die, but also seek the hereafter as if you are gonna die today".
That is a Hadith of the Prophet. In other words, its means we should have a balanced life. Dont overdo anything. Worship your Lord, but also enjoy from the bounties that your Lord has provided. That is why, in Islam, there is no specific day put aside as a day off. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 17 Oct 2007 : 17:55:28
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quote:
Originally posted by kayjatta
Thank you Jambo! Life itself can only be sustained by dying. It appears that the life of living things is propelled by propagation, once that is accomplished the body starts to degenerate (old age) and the dying process begins. In some species, as soon as reproduction is carried out and the DNA is propagated the parent dies right away. In other species longer periods of reproduction and nursing young ones require a longer life span. Some times individuals with genetic defects that are not fit for survival are eliminated from the gene pool by early death before adolescence. Earnest Hemmingway argued that "death is the end of all things". We all come to die sooner or later...
This is just to add a bit of science to the mix.
Nice science therapy! What about something describe as the SOUL? Does it exist in life & death? Anything SCIENTIFIC as you can have a perfect body, with genes, blood and all organs MOTIONLESS, in active and without life! |
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jambo
3300 Posts |
Posted - 17 Oct 2007 : 18:06:17
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a soul does not need a physical presence, it can be felt in the air in the environment. the opening sentence was about a human being, this is a physical presence, a soul just is, it is like the air, wind, you can feel it, but not see it.  |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 17 Oct 2007 : 18:35:28
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| A soul is infact what makes us human. The body is a medium for the soul to exert its presence. Thats why the boy rots once the souls leaves the body. So what actually constitues as human cannot be seen. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 19 Oct 2007 : 10:19:54
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Konds. do you mean that other creatures do not have a soul, or that human soul is unique to make us human? But the concept of soul is kind of archaic. Ancient philosopers like Socrates, Plato, Arsitotle and others used it a lot, but modern science hardly use it . Its existence is doubtful. Is it the equivalent of the "mind" (the Freudian mind of ego superego and id)? What is it ?
Jambo did you say you can feel the soul? Hmm... |
Edited by - kayjatta on 19 Oct 2007 10:39:55 |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 19 Oct 2007 : 19:24:26
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| I am talking about soul in a religious sense not scientifically. I dont think science believes in a soul. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 19 Oct 2007 : 22:34:59
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| My question is how does science explain soul? Over to you mr. yankee. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 20 Oct 2007 : 18:58:38
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Turk can't you read? I have said that the concept of "soul" is archaic (out of use) in science partly because it does not comply with the scientific method.
many earlier philosophers and scientists believed the soul to be something akin to invisible "energy" filling the "inner body" of living things. If the soul departs the body , then that body is not alive anymore, and this is exactly what was believed to happen at death. This concept is perhaps important to explain and justify resurrection.
However, the concept of "soul", much like the concept of "ether" in cosmology has been pretty much dropped in modern science.
One can safely say that as far as science is concerned, there is nothing like the "soul". That is why when Kondorong said he is referring to the soul in a religious sense (and not in a scientific sense) I left him alone.
I hope this clarifies everything for you, if it doesn't I am afraid talk to Santafara or Mbay please. |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 20 Oct 2007 : 22:17:57
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| Oh no, I indeed read what you are saying. I was just getting great pleasure to hear one more time from you that science can't explain soul. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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