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sankahjang
USA
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 Posted - 05 Apr 2006 : 09:21:49
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Thank you very much brother.Anyway i rather be a jarranko than nuiminko .
like you said, some body also told me a similar story about the chief, who was sora darboe.I never have a chance to go to that area but anytime i'm close i will try and see that out door prison in sidi kunda in bureng. I also heard about the short people's case but i can hardly believe that was true. like you said the present chief in jarra east is fafanding darboe. in fact i also heard there is a historical link between bureng and pakaliba in jarra east, do you have any knowledge on that? i do know that many people from these two village has a common surname.
But how was sora removed from power, was his removal due to his saddist actions or what. |
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
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Posted - 06 Apr 2006 : 17:10:21
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Well My brother,
Though I have limited time as I am going out to sort a very important thing,I will do my best to tell you some of what I know
Despite I don't know that much about the Jarra History, I know the fact that the founder of Pakaliba who was KERENG FENNI DARBOE,was a brother of the Bureng founder and that of Pakalinding.I think the founder of Bureng was JABATI DARBOE or his father.But I know He(Bureng Jabati) and pakaliba and pakalinding founders were brothers.
The Darboes( of Bureng) and the Saidykhans ( of Sukuta behind Pakaliba),were the first ruler of Jarra East and the leadership has traditionally been exchanged between the two clans for centuries and I think even todate they challenge each another for the chieftacy,anytime it became vaccant(except now Jammeh admimistration sellect chiefs)
As to the fate of Sora,well he was removed but am not sure why.One thing I know ,He was not removed because of his saddist actions,I think it has something to do with when sheriff Dibba was vp and He went arround removing chiefs thought to be symphatetic to the UP of P.S Njie.
Peace
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sankahjang
USA
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Posted - 07 Apr 2006 : 05:09:02
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| Thank you brother, that piece is very imformative to me.May peace and good health be with you in wherever you are going.PEACE! |
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Ebra
Gambia
268 Posts |
Posted - 07 Apr 2006 : 06:20:07
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I am from Jassong a nearby village to Bureng and spent my primary education in Bureng primary school. I used to live in a compound opposite Seedy Kunda called Foburang Kunda. The so called chain is still in the middle of the Seedy Kunda. It is always in real shape, as Yaya Sora Darboe wants to maintain it forever. Yaya Sorra Darboe is the son of Sorra Darboe. He once contested for parliamentary candidate under PDOIS in 1987. Sorra was the real tranny. His way of ruling was crazy. He once passed an order that there shouldn't be any drum beating (sikoo)in the whole Jarra East. It was due to that order, that he had a big confrontation with my great Grandfather Pa Soli Kanyi of Jassong. Pa Soli was also a successful trader and an Alikalo of Jassong. He too retaliated by advicing the citizens of Jassong to make Sikoo. He told the villagers that the village was too quite so they should have fun with their drums. As soon as Sorra Darboe heard the beatings of drums from Jassong, he sent his messengers to order them to stop it. Jassong people then objected to his order thru Pa Soli Kanyi and it became a big fight between the two powerful elders. It was during those court proceedings that, one day he came from the commissioner of Mansakonko and met with Sheriff disgrace Dibba, who was on his way of removing certains chiefs from their positions.
I will stop here and will post more about this man |
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Ebra
Gambia
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Posted - 07 Apr 2006 : 06:31:22
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Sorra and the griot. There was one griot in Jarra who sang for Sorra for many years. One day there was a so called (sarewisoo) ie construction of roads from Bureng to Jassong near the Jassong end. This griot asked Sorra that he had never seen a person tired with a rope.
It was a great moment Jarrankas will never forget. This very day many laborers or participants from Sutukung and surrounding were late. Those late were all tired up until the griot was satisfied saying that it was enough. I have a relative from Jassong whose father was a victim of Sorra's brutality. The man had to carry a palm tree that was just cut. The man couldn't survive the ordeal. |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 07 Apr 2006 : 19:50:52
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| Sorra must be vry extreme. Ebra there is a new posting about sheriff Dibba. can you tell us what happened between him and Sora. You stopped just when you talked about him and Dibba. We are doing the legacy of Dibba. Thanks for this. My father studied Koranic education in Bureng under Malang Cisse although he was from CRD. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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sankahjang
USA
78 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jul 2006 : 07:15:59
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When i was in primary school,we used to sing a song of a ship that sank some where in the river gambia.i can't remember well but i think it goes like this.
Ship went down, ship went down, ship went down.
It was on sunday morning, just about nine O'clock,
it was a day when the great ship went down.
There were husbands and wifes, little children lost their lifes, it was a day when the great ship went down.......
This i believe was about a ship called 'lady chillel'.The lady chillel accident happened while the ship was on its way from the province.
I was wondering if some one in this forum can tell us more about this ship/ferry, what leads to its accident?How many people were in the ship by the time of the accident? Has any one survived?What did the then government do about it? In which part of the river Gambia did it happened.Is the remain of this ship still vissible? |
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njucks
Gambia
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Dembish
Gambia
284 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jul 2006 : 13:19:55
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| Nice to know more about the Jarra history,But Sankajang or Ebra as a Nuimika I want to know about the Baaboon rebellion in Jarra some years ago (laugh)all I know is we offered asylum to a lot of jarrakas in Nuimi then, can you help please' |
There is no egg without a chicken, and no chicken without egg. |
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sankahjang
USA
78 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jul 2006 : 00:57:04
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Thanks NJUCKS for those links they are informative. I have been hearing about this ship but never saw a picture of it.Although that ship is gone in a tragic way, i think an idea of having a similar ship would be nice to ease transportation difficulties to the up country since the roads are in bad shape.
Dembish the baboons were doing what any body will do,and that is they were just moving in search of a greener pasture when they get stucked in jarra.I think they were originally from niumi where they could hardly find food for survival, and also they were running from the wolfs in niumi. In fact one old niuminka told me that their elders turn into wolf at night to go after these baboons for food(laugh)and the baboons then cross the river and come to the best place they could found-jarra. Now that these baboons were settled in jarra, they turn back to be the niuminkas they were and start stealing from the jarrankas. Jarrankas would rather go to kiang for refuge tham niumi because you would hunt for us at night. |
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njucks
Gambia
1131 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jul 2006 : 10:36:46
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quote:
Originally posted by sankahjang
Although that ship is gone in a tragic way, i think an idea of having a similar ship would be nice to ease transportation difficulties to the up country since the roads are in bad shape.
i agree , i think we have one of the easiest ports to take a container out, it takes just a few days compared to Dakar or Lagos where it can take months. imagine if people can put containers send them off to their villages in the provinces. the trade implications of that would be fantastic especially for eastern Senegal, Guinea etc. tourism would also benefit.
but at todays prices a ship like the Lady Chilel would be around £1m min. but i think its still worth it. someone should think of it. |
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ranga
USA
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Posted - 30 Jul 2006 : 22:39:59
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| njucks, how often do container ships unload in Banjul? Sometimes our Geopacks get to Gambia quickly and at other times it takes a long time. I wonder if infrequent cargo ships from the US to Gambia may be causing this variability. |
T.K. "Ranga" Rengarajan
Founder, Geoseed Project
http://www.geoseedproject.com
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 31 Jul 2006 : 14:39:14
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i think everyday. ofcourse it would depend where the cargo is coming from. there are vessels from asia, europe etc.
trade with the US is not as high as that with Europe , unfortunately for us.
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 31 Jul 2006 : 21:22:01
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Originally posted by njucks
well it wasnt really a ferry with the same design like the banjul/barra ones. it looks like a small vessel. it was in operation for only 4yrs when it went down. four people died.
you can find a picture and more basic stuff here
http://www.clydesite.co.uk/articles/7dec.asp
an englishman onboard recounts the actual sinking after one night's journey from Basse, i dont know where that would be.
http://www.shortwing.co.uk/pages/tripDetails.asp?id=9
I dont think the song by sankajang is about lady chilel. I sang that song in grade school before Lady Chilel sunk.It was a colonial song very popular before independenec. So it could not be lady chilel. My suspect is it may the TITANIC which sank and took 1500 lives in 1912 off the coats of New Foundland at 2.20am April 15. However this was on a Monday whilst the song has Sunday. It was one of the most famous ship tragedies. 2.20 am in spring in Canada is about 9.20 am in London. The 9 oclock in the song seems to match. May be it should have been monday and not sunday as stated in the song. My uncle used to like the song and i very well rememeber when we first sang the song at a school assembly
May be i am wrong.
Rememeber during colonial times, Colonies are forced to mourn with the crown. Gambian police officers had to wear black crape bandages and balck arm bands for months is observance of the death of King George the Fifth |
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njucks
Gambia
1131 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jul 2006 : 22:13:18
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Originally posted by kondorong
I dont think the song by sankajang is about lady chilel. I sang that song in grade school before Lady Chilel sunk.It was a colonial song very popular before independenec.
anyway i have never heard it. was it in english, mandinka, wollof? remember before the Lady Chilel there were several boats going up the river etc. there was the Lady Wright too. i think Titanic seems a bit far off as i dont think there even a song like that in English itself?
most likely it was a previous boat disaster.
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