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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 17 Sep 2007 : 17:20:07
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Momodou, It is my understanding that people who recieve Foroyaa's publication via e-mail overseas do pay an annual subscription fee for it. If this does not apply in your case, then am sorry for the misinformation. I hope you will appreciate that my assumption is based on a reasonable belief.
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I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
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Momodou
Denmark
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Posted - 17 Sep 2007 : 20:37:13
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The credit for the articles should go to the man you so much despise. Halifa Sallah and co. provides these Foroyaa Burning issues free of charge. |
A clear conscience fears no accusation - proverb from Sierra Leone |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 17 Sep 2007 : 20:54:55
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Thanks Momodou to clear the air 
POLITICS of DIRECT PERSONAL ATTACKS, CHEAP POPULARITY AND SMEARING CAMPAIGNS would only retard CHANGING THE SYSTEM!
Yaya is there today but the challenge is on RECTIFICATIONS, RE-CONSTRUCTION AND DEVELOPMENT OF GAMBIAN DEMOCRACY, PROMOTION OF GOOD GOVERNANCE, ACCOUNTABILITY, TRANSPARENCY, INSTITUTE LAW & ORDER, WITH SOUND JUSTICE SYSTEM AND A GOOD CONSTITUTION, FOR PEACE, PROSPERITY, STABILITY AND FORWARD THE GAMBIA OUR HOMELAND.
Any mature politician or participant in the game of politics should play by the rules please! Its not about tarnishing image, detractors, character assassinations but about LEADERSHIP POTENTIALS AND STEWARDSHIP OF THE NATION that are at stake! Who is leading us? Where are we today? Are the checks and balances (THE ARMS OF GOVERNMENT) functioning properly? Are the welfare of citizens improving? Any political crises? What are the solutions to these political crises? The lists amongst others are not exhaustive?
Lets put QUALITY IN OUR POLITICS DISCUSSING ISSUES AND ADDRESSING CONCERNS! Lets stop the bickering, back bites, praise singing, clapping of hands as between THE CONTENDERS! Halifa is always a SOUND DEBATER & WINNER ON NATIONAL ISSUES! He is not POWER HUNGRY but keen on good leadership and visions for the Gambia Our Homeland! He is TOTALLY AGAINST ENSLAVEMENT, PROMOTES CIVIC EDUCATION, RIGHTS OF THE CITIZEN, ADVOCATES EMPOWERMENT OF THE PEOPLE, FREEDOM OF SPEECH & CHOICE, ROLE & INDEPENDENCE OF THE MEDIA (FOURTH ESATE), DEFENDS HUMAN RIGHTS AND JUSTICE! Halifa has sacrificed, dedicated and choose GAMBIAN POLITICS / CIVIC ACTIVISTS as his life-time career. Those are the reason for his vibrant participation and always contributions flow with SOUND IDEAS in his capacity as a sound intellectual, good orator and very confident statesman.
In my opinion, sitting idly, pointing fingers and castigating INDIVIDUAL(S) is mere foolishness, pettiness, stooping so low and futile. NO MAN IS INFALLIBLE OR PERFECT. Therefore any adversary should CHALLENGE him on ISSUES and not CONDEMN him just for his NAME, CHARACTER ASSASINATION AND ANY ATTEMPTS TO TARNISH HIS IMAGE is considered rather unfortunate, lack of focus, mis-direction and waste of ENERGY.
Our nieghbours Senegal respect / honour every intellectual, professional, artists amongst others. Why can't we give the devil his due? Many average Gambians knew who is Halifa Sallah! I can bet today if he walk to declare his allegiance to the Head of State today he goes straight to CABINET WITH IMMEDIATE EFFECT!
That ALL May live in UNITY, FREEDOM AND PEACE EACH DAY! |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 18 Sep 2007 : 17:51:59
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Please compatriot and brother Nyaring! Any constructive critisms that we can buy Its not about HATRED, SELF-POTRAIT (ATTITUDES, PERSONAL PETTINESS AND OTHER WEAKNESSES) but some SENSIBLE DEBATE & DISCUSSION ON NATIONAL ISSUES, POLITICS, LEADERSHIPS POTENTIALS AND VISIONS TO FORWARD THE GAMBIA OUR HOMELAND!
The Gambian National Anthem!
Listen to it by clicking here
http://home.scarlet.be/~tsc63772/evolkslied.html
For The Gambia, our homeland,
we strive and work and pray,
That all may live in unity, freedom and peace each day.
Let justice guide our actions towards the common good,
And join our diverse peoples to prove man's brotherhood.
We pledge our firm allegiance, our promise we renew;
Keep us, great God of nations,
To The Gambia ever true! |
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jammin
Jamaica
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Posted - 20 Sep 2007 : 04:01:16
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Originally posted by kayjatta
Jammin : you can pick up any modern economics text book , you will learn that many of the so-called capitalist countries such as U.S. , U.K. , Germany , etc are not purely capitalist. They are in fact mixed economies with some elements of both capitalism and socialism. This fact is what I was trying to tell you. Thanks.
Is it a "mixed economy"? or is capitalism, <by it's dynamic nature> correcting itself. One could argue that the social content of a capitalist economy, was only enabled, because the system recognize that to maximize on investment, a social conscience had to be fostered.
So a capitalist state, will invest in "free" health care for it citizens (healthy people produce more), Corporations will "give" to communities, etc.
Not a "mixed economy", but dynamic capitalism.
sorry if i went a bit off-topic. |
Like a colossus He doth bestride the Narrow World |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 20 Sep 2007 : 07:29:55
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Jammin: Capitalism as developed by the writings of Adam Smith is very extreme. Likewise , socialism/communism as developed by the writngs of Karl Marx is very extreme. Many countries , over the years realised that both capitalism and socialism/communism in their pure form is unrealistic. So what we have witnessed is the blending of these two economic systems in various forms by different countries to create what economists recognize today as "mixed economies". Capitalism requires the maximization of profits (by the owners of capital) and the complete withdrawal of government from economic activity (private enterprices). In such a system there cannot be free health care, free education, or food and housing assistance for poor families. Such social programs are socialist ideas. Even the idea of labor unions in so-called capitalist countries like U.S. and U.K. are borrowed from Marxist thinking.Socialism/communism on the other hand calls for collective control of resources through the central government-kind of the big brother who takes care of everyone.Socialism/communism is very much complicated by inefficiency just as capitalism is complicated by extreme inequality.
It is very interesting for me to observe how covert capitalist(conservative) and socialist(liberal) ideals are played out in American politics. America is perhaps the epitome of capitalism in the world ; but as political power changes between Democrats and the Republicans you can easily observe sudden shifts in economic policy. While democrats often generally pursue higher taxes , more government spending on social programs ( welfare and other assistance for poor and minority families),minimum wage, more regulation (for the environment and other business activities),etc ; the Republicans generally seek lower taxes and smaller government. Smaller government here means less government activity in the economic process. Therefore , there is less regulation of business and the environment , less welfare and other assistance to poor and minority families , and less govenment spending.
These shifts in economic policy between the democrats , who generally cherish socialist ideals and Republicans , who largely cherish capitalist ideals is perhaps equally observable in the U.K. between the Labor and the Conservative Torre.
I am seriously considering putting every unemployed Gambian (head of household) on some form of stipend, if I were president. Is these possible in the Gambia? |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 20 Sep 2007 : 09:48:39
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any body with the direct contact of foroya or pdois .i have email them with some questions but still no answer. i want to chess it up. please forward me any phone number.
also i email similar questions to udp but their email address did not work .any help on that as well. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 20 Sep 2007 : 09:58:16
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 20 Sep 2007 : 12:27:03
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Thanks Jammin for directing the discussion in the right focus to understand advocay of PDOIS (as an organisation) and the difference with Halifa as a persona. His profiles, self-portrait, role model, leadership, integrity, excellence amongst others directly affects him in terms of "Who is Halifa Sallah?".
Its more logical and for a genuine person to exchange on the ISSUES, instead of diverting attentions and to show signs of weaknesses (i.e personal attitudes), expressing anger, frustrations, hatred, personal vendetta and smearing campaign to demoralise each other as Gambians in our quest to adjust the society and direction of our politics. Don't you think so
Thanks! |
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 20 Sep 2007 : 17:19:55
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Originally posted by kayjatta
Any pay for this one Santafara...?
NO SIR ,AM AFRIAD . .i am awaiting the $100 dollar ,i will arrange for you to recieve your 25% share . . |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 20 Sep 2007 : 17:34:52
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the debate on ''who is halifa sallah'' is focusing mainly on his public image and status .is it enough to rely on our potentials leaders public image ,interllectual standing or do we need digging deep to find out 'who is behind that facade of emminence ?'' .many european countries don't rely on leaders intellectual standing ,shouldn't we adopt the same strategy ? is halifa who we think he is ? a dedicated gambian who sacrifice a lot for the freedom of his people .is he also free from the petty politics of our country ? we seems only to know him as the man he portay himself to be .a pan-africanist and believer in soveign integrity ,education and constitutional democracy .what kind of a leader would halifa be ?
an authocrat like nkuruma or sekou ? an idealist and a dominant personality who may have little time for others opinion or some one who will embrase other lesser thinkers like him ?
since the formation of pdois ,what changes have we seen in the leadership structure ? is it still the same band of people occupying the helm of the party or have they integrate other gambians as well ? i only know of few key members in the executive ,halifa ,sedia,sam,suwaibou ,halifa's wive .who esle is an influencial figure in pdois ?
realy ,we need not believe what a man tell us he is .who was able to penetrate the inner circle of PDOIS since formation ?
let the informaion flow .more clarification will help the pary desiminate its valuable message to suspecting gambians .
untill then ,we remain .any one with vital information should educate us in the most humble and rational manner without name calling and charater assasination .
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Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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sankalanka
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Posted - 20 Sep 2007 : 20:05:16
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I believe some of Halifa's critics are very disingenious. They are being very dishonest. They are being disingenious for the simply fact that they do not corelate any of their criticisms to actual positions or principles that Halifa has taken since he entered into politics; neither do they corelate their criticisms to Pdois 's principles, programs and activities since its inception.
Since Pdois was established in the late eighties, their message and position has been very consistent. The problem is that those who critized them have been very lazy to do the research to find out what these people have been saying all along; whether their positions have shifted, and to what degree, if any, their fundamental principles and objectives are at variance to what is now regarded as an ideally suited capitalist dispensation.
It would help and greatly enhance any debate, if those who are criticizing Halifa to take up issues with his positions, his ideology, his beliefs and his ideals, and challenge them based on their substantive appeal or otherwise. Halifa has written quite a lot, even before Pdois was formed. I would have expected that any critic who is worth his salt, would take issue with this body of knowledge and challenged it on the basis of its substance, its ideology, its fundamental precepts and its mission.
Let me asked this question: Apart from the word Socialism in the PDOIS acronym, what does the crtics understand about PDOIS'S socialism?
We can start from their understanding of PDOIS'S socialism, and weigh it against what Pdois understands about their own precepts of socialism.
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sankalanka
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Posted - 20 Sep 2007 : 21:47:31
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Santanfara,
You don't want the debate on Halifa to focus on his public image and status. But rather, you would want us to dig deeper and find out "who is behind the facade of immenence?"
My question is: who do you think is behind the facade of immenence? Can you do the digging yourself, and then tell us what you found out. It is only then that others can come out to either support your contentions or give a completely different picture to what you may think. If we are dealing with a question of perception, it can then be examined to determine its veracity or its misconception.
I want you to give an honest answer to all the questions you asked. There are people who may be willing to help address most of the questions you raised, but it would be helpful if you can established what is your opinion about those questions in the first instance.
Instead of asking: who is Halifa Sallah? Who do you think Halifa Sallah is? If you can frame your questions from that objective standpoint.
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jammin
Jamaica
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Posted - 21 Sep 2007 : 03:47:11
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Kayjatta, we seem not to be at odds afterall. Our difference,as i see it, is purely semantics.
It would be a noble enterprise to be able to give unemployed head-of-households a stipend. The question however, would be, how would this be financed and would it be sustainable?
@Kobo ----- de nada. although i don't think the accolade is deserving.
Issues <as i see it>, are of fundamental importance.By bringing issues to the fore and having strenuous debates,only then are we able to truly recognize problems and hopefully find the solutions.
However, "what maketh the man" is also relevant, especially when that man is aspiring to be the leader of a country. Charisma and intellectual prowess are quality attributes that a 21st century leader will find indispensable.
To truly judge a man's abilities/weaknesses , is to be able examine his past performance, be it in the role of a Leader, or whatever role he was previously assigned, and to do this in the absence of emotions. |
Like a colossus He doth bestride the Narrow World |
Edited by - jammin on 21 Sep 2007 04:34:33 |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 Sep 2007 : 04:16:45
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Originally posted by jammin
Kayjatta, we seem not to be at odds afterall. Our difference,as i see it, is purely semantics.
It would be a noble enterprise to be able to give unemployed head-of-households a stipend. The question however, would be, how would this be financed and would it be sustainable?
@Kobo ----- de nada. although i don't think the accolade is deserving.
The accolade was a tribute and in defence on those bent on DIRECT PERSONAL ATTACKS to this hunble person! Thanks I respect your opinions |
Edited by - kobo on 21 Sep 2007 05:43:15 |
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