 |
|
| Author |
 Topic  |
|
gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
 Posted - 02 Sep 2007 : 18:55:19
|
I agree. It seems Scotland has a PROPER labour agend and rest of UK has champagne socialists. I am ENGLISH and I had to pay for my daughter to go to Edinburgh university whilst Scottish kids went for free. NOT FAIR!  
|
 |
|
|
toubab1020
12314 Posts |
Posted - 02 Sep 2007 : 20:05:44
|
| Tribalism in the UK,you bet. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
|
Edited by - toubab1020 on 02 Sep 2007 20:06:47 |
|
|
|
gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 02 Sep 2007 : 20:13:00
|
Oh Yes, my daughter experienced an old old tribalism.
She has ginger hair. In England there is a prejudice against this. I think it goes back generations about the celts, the irish etc...
She was bullied at school.
Now she lives in Scotland and she can live happily in peace. It is her homeland! She has ginger hair and very pale skin. People welcome her there.
Tribalism alive and kicking!  |
|
|
|
turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 02 Sep 2007 : 22:30:16
|
Getting personal. Is that a red flag. Or white flag.
Hate? Not at all. I like brits. I spent sometime working in London, brits (especially scots and irish) great. Why would you think I hate britsh individually. I love brits, nice music, very intellectual people, collectively smartest nation in the world. However, I thought we are discussion historical facts here. Tell me which of the following points are wrong
- Brits involved slavery. Fact.
- Brits colonized and settled North America and Australia at the expense of indegenou population. Fact.
- Brits colonizes africa, india. Fact.
- Your grandfather had 'balls' to defend his country. Fact. I think your grandfather deserve respect.
- Brits fight against Hitler to for their self-interests. You disagree.
I will not make any comments about you such us 'angry','loser' etc. Because I don't know you. Let us focus on the message not the messenger.
Helping gambia? Well your extra motivation in helping gambia is feeling little guilty since your nation has share in the unfortune of the gambia. Your helping gambia is just to ease the pain of your denial/guiltiness about the historical fact. My motivation is my wife 100%, my daughter half gambian. I have a family connection. Plus, you don't know me. You don't know what I do, how I do. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 02 Sep 2007 22:33:08 |
|
|
|
kisley
United Kingdom
214 Posts |
Posted - 03 Sep 2007 : 14:01:52
|
Britain of course fought for self preservation, but it certainly helped other countries in the process. It did not go into a war purely to preserve the "british empire". If that was so, then what exactly did we gain after the war... a country that was practically bankrupt, All Britain's wealth was transferred to the U.S. in payment for materials for two World wars - couldn't afford an empire.
The british empire crumbled after the war.
Sorry Turd, i presumed you were gambian?. If you are turkish isnt that a case of "people in glass houses throwing stones"
Did turkey ever take part in slavery?
What about the armenian genocide
Turkeys role in the2nd world war, signing treaties with britain and france, then hedging its bets and signing one with germany.
Human rights violations of turkey against cyprus
human rights violations of Turkish women,( forced marriages, honor killings, rape within marriage). women are see as a commodity, just like slavery. (thats just a few for starters)
oh and by the way dont put words into my mouth, i have denied nothing except Britians role during the war. |
Edited by - kisley on 03 Sep 2007 14:04:31 |
|
|
|
sab
United Kingdom
912 Posts |
Posted - 03 Sep 2007 : 15:32:12
|
War on democracy....let us take a look at Turkey also!
http://web.amnesty.org/library/eng-tur/index
Turkey has been given IMF and World Bank loans on America instructions.
Turkey is critical to The Americans - overseeing the oilfields of the Middle East & former Soviet Central Asia. It has received billions of dollars worth of American arms.
There is so much more that has been hidden from the media, why was there no sanctions against Turkey for their involvement in the displacement of at least three million Kurds and causing the death of 30,000?
American and British fighter-bombers were based there - the northern no fly zone provided cover for Turkey's repeated invasions of Iraq.
It is reported that as many as 50,000 Turkish troops, back by tanks, fighter bombers and helicopter gunships, occupied swathes of the Kurds safe haven - attacking the PKK bases.
Washing Post reported..."On occasions US pilots flew in tandem with the British, receiving a radio message that 'there is a TSM inbound' that is, a Turkish Special Mission' heading into Iraq. Following standard orders, the US & British turned there planes around and flew back to Turkey. You would see Turkish F14 & F16 inbound, loaded to the gills with munitions. They would come back with their munitions expended. When you flew back in you would see burning villages"
sab |
The world would be a poorer place if it was peopled by children whose parents risked nothing in the cause of social justice, for fear of personal loss. (Joe Slovo - African revolutionary) |
|
|
|
kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 03 Sep 2007 : 22:49:43
|
Sab! Please stop excavating or digging history as old wounds will became open. All warring nations are guilty of crimes againts humanity and many casualties. Lets move on to reflect on the mistakes of our forefathers, present tyrants, failed policies and a remark recently from a British General condenming American leadership on Irag war; '' INTELLECTUAL BANKRUPCY!''. I love that blunt opinion 
The lessons from World wars established UN for WORLD PEACE & SECURITY. Corruption, super power domination, tyrany, espionage and spy agencies like C.I.A, K.G.B MOSAD, the establishment of ''AlQaida'', 9/11, so-called war on terror (i.e. Palestine/Israel/lebannon/Syria conflicts and ongoing Afghan and Iraq wars are costing billions of dollars and casualties in terms of life of innocent victims is a great set-back for MANKIND, WORLD PEACE AND SECURITY.
I wonder what GOOD RESOLUTIONS can be taken in the interests of HUMANITY AND MANKINDS PRIDE TO MAKING THIS WORLD SAFE & SOUND |
Edited by - kobo on 03 Sep 2007 23:35:31 |
|
|
|
turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 03 Sep 2007 : 23:21:19
|
Kisley
You do want to be personal. You are getting funnier and raised your white flag with each post. Turd? Can you see your self you are acting like a little teenage? I guess best guard is attack and can't defend any of my poits now you want to go counter-attack. Go ahead, I ain't scare from noone.
Armenian genocide? When did it happen? Who is claiming of 1.5 million armenians death? Let me give you my perspective
Armenian claimed 1.5 Ermenian died during the world war I, in 1915. That times ottoman empire is fighting with British in Gallipolli, middleeast and russian in the east. Millions of soldiers died. Starting 15 years old soldiers, just like your grandfather, went to war. Armenian men refused to go to war. During the eastern front, when ottoman soldiers were fighting against russian soldiers, armenian men taking weapons and attacking ottoman soldiers from the behind. It is treson. Think about it. While brits in war, scotish and irish take side with nazi. Armenian men killed many muslim kurdish and turkish family without their men in the war. Yes, armenian killing happened. It is tragedy, but Armenians themselves deserve that. Did you hear jews in turkey killed during war? No. Any greeks were killed in Istanbul? No.
quote:
Turkeys role in the2nd world war, signing treaties with britain and france, then hedging its bets and signing one with germany.
What is wrong with that. They did not join war. They have agreement with both sides to be neutral. What is wrong with that. It is because we did not join your war, are we guilty? We neiter supported brits nor nazis.
Cyprus? Sounds like you don't know anything about cyprus. Probably you heard cyprus from somewhere and you mention cyprus. Cyprus issue is not about human rights. It is about turkish occupation of norther cyprus. How did it happen. Let me tell you how it happened.
It start with britain. Cyprus was the colony of brits. As usual. Greek was a federal nations with 2 nations. Then in 1974, there were a ****a in greece. Leftist coup. In cyprus, greeks had coup too and they said they would join to greece without considering Turkish population. That was against the guarantor agreement of Turkish/Greek federation. Turkey moved to island and invade the norther cyprus where turkish population lived. America put sanction against Turkey, but Turkey did not move. Now, there are no human rights happenning in Cyprus. It is divided living with peace. Currently UN plan put in referandum for unification, turkish side accept the proposal, greeks say no. So what is your human rights point again?
quote:
human rights violations of Turkish women,( forced marriages, honor killings, rape within marriage). women are see as a commodity, just like slavery. (thats just a few for starters)
These are happening and I condemn all of these stuff.
But what is your point. Did you need to re-counter attack. That means I must have been very bad. You are getting funnier.
|
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
|
|
|
turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 03 Sep 2007 : 23:36:52
|
sab
quote:
Turkey has been given IMF and World Bank loans on America instructions.
Is that a crime? If turkey involved with IMF and Worlbank, that is their punishmen already? Look buddy, I ain't scare away to critize my own government. If you want to test me, here we go.
quote:
Turkey is critical to The Americans - overseeing the oilfields of the Middle East & former Soviet Central Asia. It has received billions of dollars worth of American arms.
Could not agree more. Turkish government was/is still pro-American. However, it is changing recently. Proofs. Turkish parlemento refused to help yankees to attack iraq. they sign the treatment with Iran for natural gas field and we have excellent relations with Iran despite US opposition.
quote:
There is so much more that has been hidden from the media, why was there no sanctions against Turkey for their involvement in the displacement of at least three million Kurds and causing the death of 30,000?
If they are hidden, how did you get these news. They are not hidden. They are on the news.
30000 death includes turkish killed by terrorist attacks and kurdish citizens killed by turkish forces last 30 years. That is true turkish government's kurdish policies ridicolous. I support kurdish rights to be improved. However, the recent election, Kurdish population is 20% of turkey, only 4 % is supporting kurdish party. That means most kurdish do not feel same as kurdish seperatist. Turks and kurds getting married. Both primeminister and president of turkey has arabic and kurdish connection in their family. Cabinet has kurdish ministers, such as minister of education is kurdish. Ex army chief and foreign minister were kurdish.
quote:
American and British fighter-bombers were based there - the northern no fly zone provided cover for Turkey's repeated invasions of Iraq.
It is reported that as many as 50,000 Turkish troops, back by tanks, fighter bombers and helicopter gunships, occupied swathes of the Kurds safe haven - attacking the PKK bases.
No fly zone has nothing to do with Turkey's invasion of iraq. It was for no fly zone of Iraqi planes to protect both kurds and shias in iraq. And what is wrong with attacking PKK base. They are a terrorist organization.
quote:
Washing Post reported..."On occasions US pilots flew in tandem with the British, receiving a radio message that 'there is a TSM inbound' that is, a Turkish Special Mission' heading into Iraq. Following standard orders, the US & British turned there planes around and flew back to Turkey. You would see Turkish F14 & F16 inbound, loaded to the gills with munitions. They would come back with their munitions expended. When you flew back in you would see burning villages"
sounds like you hit the google and get some news about turkish current news. Anyway, can you decide what is your point. One piece say we are supporting yankees, the last news day turks and yankees would fight.
|
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
|
|
|
kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 03 Sep 2007 : 23:43:22
|
Turk, Kisley & Sab amongst others! I believe there are lots of hsitorical reference on wars, warring nations and on-going conflicts. I am for anti-violence and anti-war; therefore my declarations are for these wars and conflicts to cease and we reflect on the mistakes and costs om MANKIND & THE EARTH
Technology has advanced to benefit MANKIND if only NO WARS PLEASE. History should be shelved in the archives but not to start another literal war here in Bantaba. POLITICS APPEARS TO BE TRICKY AND REALLY CONFUSING AT TIMES!
PEACE! |
|
|
|
turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 04 Sep 2007 : 00:45:56
|
kobo
You are absolutely right. However, may I point out following reference?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_federations_by_military_expenditures
World total spending is 1.200. West+japan 900 of 1200. Consider 75 % of world military spending done by 15 % of world population. The rest 85 % of population spends only 25 %. So who is more dangerous? |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
|
|
|
sab
United Kingdom
912 Posts |
Posted - 04 Sep 2007 : 11:26:50
|
War on democracy -
Peace.
Free Palestine. |
The world would be a poorer place if it was peopled by children whose parents risked nothing in the cause of social justice, for fear of personal loss. (Joe Slovo - African revolutionary) |
|
|
|
LeonardDeFish
Congo, Democratic Republic of
2 Posts |
Posted - 04 Sep 2007 : 13:14:53
|
C'MONNNNNNNNNNNNNNN NO NEED FOR ANGER, REJOICEEEEEEEEE BE HAPPY, SING WITH LEONARD DATS ME, A LITTLE SONG ABOUT MY BOATTTT, ROWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW DE BOAT, CATCHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH DE FISH, EATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT DE FISH, PUMPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP DE FISH, PUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT IT IN DE HOLE, WE SING THIS TOGETHER, IT MAKE LEONARD HAPPY DATS ME |
|
|
|
kisley
United Kingdom
214 Posts |
Posted - 04 Sep 2007 : 13:40:43
|
The point is Turk, you have spent this whole debate/argument telling me how terible my country is, and the abuses it has perpetuated, and how i should feel so much guilt. When in fact as a Turkish man you are not in the position to "point the finger" at anyone, as your country has one of the worst records for human right abuses. As i said before "people in glass houses should not throw stones" .
Armenian people were subjected to deportation, toture and massacre and you say they "deserved it"
Turkeys role in the war...they signed an alliance with Britain and France, and then hedged their bets and signed with Germany. They were actually supplying Germany with raw materials.
Your statement "I ain't scare from noone."
HUH??? I am lost for words. You do realise this is just a little forum, on the internet…I don’t really get your point..
And as for calling you "TURD"... that was a mistake, I simply hit the wrong key. But come to think of it it must have been a "freudian" slip.
|
Edited by - kisley on 04 Sep 2007 15:19:55 |
|
|
|
kisley
United Kingdom
214 Posts |
Posted - 04 Sep 2007 : 13:48:14
|
quote:
Originally posted by LeonardDeFish
C'MONNNNNNNNNNNNNNN NO NEED FOR ANGER, REJOICEEEEEEEEE BE HAPPY, SING WITH LEONARD DATS ME, A LITTLE SONG ABOUT MY BOATTTT, ROWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW DE BOAT, CATCHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH DE FISH, EATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT DE FISH, PUMPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP DE FISH, PUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT IT IN DE HOLE, WE SING THIS TOGETHER, IT MAKE LEONARD HAPPY DATS ME
HUH? |
Edited by - kisley on 04 Sep 2007 15:13:36 |
|
|
|
Topic |
|
|
|
| Bantaba in Cyberspace |
© 2005-2024 Nijii |
|
|
|
Topic Locked
