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kayjatta
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 Posted - 30 Aug 2007 : 12:39:03
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| No I did not say that. Which particular western ideology ? |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30 Aug 2007 : 13:44:15
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Originally posted by kayjatta
No I did not say that. Which particular western ideology ?
You already made a remark! ''Anti-west''. Obviously you have your own criteria or ideology kind of differentiation, demarcation and classification in terms of world politics and dominance.
Help yourself in explaining your understanding of world politics, super power agenda, imperialism, terrorism, allied and non-allied nations, western and the third world, various classifications of developments and democracy, political ideologies etc. |
Edited by - kobo on 30 Aug 2007 14:04:50 |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 31 Aug 2007 : 03:18:40
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I am aware of the fact that a lot of Third world literature and academic work has focused much on playing victim for a long time.Yet , we live in a world today that has presented us so much opportunities for advancement in a short period of time. If the so called "Third world" is to live up the dream of its founding fathers such as Nkrumah and others , we must start taking advantage of the opportunities of the global world as well as intelligently grapple with its new challenges. To sit down and keep lamenting the past with defeatist rhetoric such as imperialism etc. is a huge distraction . I am not one who believe in self-victimization. I believe the third world countries have all the opportunities to intricate themselves from their political and economic retardation without crying foul of Western nations or global institutions such as the World Bank and others.
With all the conspiracy theories you can espouse , who can ignore the huge amount of funding (economic and military assistance) poured into our continent and others from western institutions over several decades in order to help us get back on our feet ? I am thoroughly convinced that our problems today are generally internal.Perhaps history has indicated that nations and individuals who are determined to forge ahead succeed while those that hang on to the past , complaining and grumbling about past injustices do not really get far. A recent example of this could be seen in today's Iraq. While the rest of Iraq is stagnated in ethnic and religious "genocide" but also purpotedly fighting "American imperialism" , the Kurds in Kurdistan (another part of Iraq) are busy focused on building a progressive modern nation free from the canage in the rest of Iraq.The Kurds are taking advantage of the removal of the dictator , Saddam Hussein who suppressed them for decades. Sam Sarr has just mentioned in his new book ," Coup d 'etat" that Jammeh is now one of the richest on the continent , and others in the cabinet such as Touray , etc have once been arrested (only to be released and reinstated) for stealing millions of Gambian money. These are just the tip of the iceberg to illustrate how we need to be focused within ourselves , and also deal with the international world with intelligence and a sense of equality , not self-victimization. |
Edited by - kayjatta on 31 Aug 2007 10:55:48 |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 31 Aug 2007 : 08:07:39
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Not so fast MR.kay
They focus on victim, actually they are victim. I am sorry to burst your bubbgle but the realities are different from what you describe. Take it with Globalization for example. The main principle of globalization of free market in global zone. It is OK for the third world countries reduce the custom tax and all other barriers for the yankeestan products, but at the same time third world counrtries try to export agriculture products to yankeestan. Aha. We have a problem. Because with the subsidizing agriculture products by yankees, third world countries can't not go to these market because agricultural products cheaper in yankeestan due to subsidy. So who is the victim of globalization. Third world is INDEED victim unlike you paint the picture with pink tones. Or global warming. 50 %of pollution is created by yankeestan while they are only 5% of the world population, that causes the problem in your so called 'VICTIMs' in africa draught. And yankeestan already complete the industrialization now puting pressure on third world to invest in environment. well, why should gambians pay for USA industry. But there is nothing you can do. Who is the victim now? It is not self-victimization. Telling your beloved yankeestan to get out of the land of middleeast is not victimization. It is taking the what you already have.
I have a question which opportunities third world countries have? They are already dealing with military/political problems. Now they have to deal with the climate. So it is getting harder and harder. Even world bank, as neo-con wolfwitz assignment was just political- has to sell the sould to get the worldbank dollars. ANd they dictate how you use the money and you already lost the money you get because you are forced to use money for something not beneficial to you anyway.
and the most import following funniest piece written by you
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While the rest of Iraq is stagnated in ethnic and religious "genocide" but also purpotedly fighting "American imperialism" , the Kurds in Kurdistan (another part of Iraq) are busy focused on building a progressive modern nation free from the canage in the rest of Iraq.The Kurds are taking advantage of the removal of the dictator , Saddam Hussein who suppressed them for decades.
is not reflecting the reality. Kurds already sold their soul to yankees. One of the biggest military base is being built for yankees to attack the public enemy number 1 IRAN. Also, one of the biggest problem of israeli planes that can go to IRAN to bomb but can't come back, will use this base to fly from, bomb the iraq and go back to israel. That is happening in kurdistan. Yankees are just so inlove with kurds and they close eyes kurds to forces arab population, turkoman population out of the land, so since there are no minority in kurdia, no violance either. So to get better, are you suggesting to sell out your soul to the enemy? |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Sibo
Denmark
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Posted - 31 Aug 2007 : 10:36:05
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Guys
I normally do not share Kay´s views on politics but this time he has some really good points here.
The biggest problem we have in africa today is CURRUPTION. Africa is not that rich but I believe that if we use the resources we have wisely we will be at a place futher than we are. If the presidents put the need and care of the people before their own and use the money and other resources on the country insted of on themselves, we will develop and there will be no geverment overthrowings, no rebels and people will not be living under the unhumane conditions that they are doing today. I do not like the american foriegn politics, it sukc big time but we cannot possibly keep on blaming them. As KAy said, lets get over the pass and move on to the present and the future and try to make it better fot the many generations to come |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 31 Aug 2007 : 10:56:19
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| Thank you Sibo... |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 31 Aug 2007 : 11:21:55
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Kay, stop elaborating on American strategies, manipulations, fraternity, patronage to dictate world dominance. You knew the present world order politics is more than imperialism but TOTAL RULE OF THE HEMISPHERE (i.e EARTH AND SKY OR SO-CALLED STAR WARS / CYBERSPACE!). ''In the END Man shall PERISH!'' became selfish; cares materialism more than anything else!; hearhless with plights and welfare for others, as prophecied
The wonderful sophistication and technological advancement would have benefited mankind alot if there were no wars or politics of dominance (imperilism) and dictatorship that translaltes into conflicts and promoting the war agenda. Why do we have the need for a BIG BUDGET ON ARMS AND WAR and ignore the plights of mankind; in terms of loss of lives, poverty, health hazards and environmental catastrophies amongst other collateral damages
History has shown us that wars are always barbaric and it does not make any sense at this stage of modernisation. There has been barbarians, world wars, cold wars etc, culiminating to the establishment of The UN and other bodies for WORLD PEACE & SECURITY, However, 9/11 terrorism, counter-terrorism and the Iraq war defeats UN and endangered the world because of bad or weak leaders, wrong policies, corruption, politics & capitalism. To make matters worst conflicts of the Middle East brought about the most dangerous WAR ON WORLD RELIGIONS! Apart from oil & wealth (capitalism!), there are also hidden agendas in these conflicts, terrorism and counter-terrorism. Let me cite some key players on world order. Amercan interests is all about imperilism (superpower domination) and capitalism (oil & wealth for its domestic economy and its controlling insitutions i.e world bank, IMF). Europeans offer services and business intersts and collaborators to capitalism and imperialism. Israel (Zionism, Racism & Religion!), Arabs (Racism,Religion & totally dis-orientated in Islam and importance or use of its resources; i.e oil etc). I cannot teach or elaborate on the causes of the Iraq war but obliged to observe that there one of the excesses of this war is shifting cold war era and describing this war as allied and non-allied. The allied embodies a major commitment on protection of Israel and fight against terrorism (defined according to their terms of vested interests!). Anything that falls short of that means non-allied, in my opinion. However, religion is being exploited to mobilse resources or rally support against certain Islamic regimes, and they consider that the fight against terrorism, as in the words of a critic that: ''The war on Islam is about slaying a DRAGON and is more thougher than COLD WARS!'' . There are other critisms about extremism and fanatism. Some policies are so extreme in the war against terror that extremism and terrorism is no longer against religion. They are playing DANGEROUS POLITICS OF RELIGION and more funds has been approved recently, i.e. over $25 billion dollars for those dangerous regions (middle East & Gulf). Evil are providers of the funds and weapons, the tyrants and corrupt leaders of the world helping in promotion of wars
That leaves us with these unanswered questions on WHY THESE WARS, HOW THESE WARS, WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THESE WARS, WHEN THESE WARS WILL END, etc?
STOP THE WAR!
PEACE! |
Edited by - kobo on 31 Aug 2007 16:12:00 |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 31 Aug 2007 : 11:28:58
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| This is very utopian to say the least , Kobo. |
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twinkly
United Kingdom
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Posted - 31 Aug 2007 : 11:54:19
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I understand your thoughts Kayjatta.
But it is not just Africa, everywhere you look, where ever there is an interest for the West, they have their hands on it.And they mould the world to their needs.
Why do you think China is suddenly targeted and critisised?
Their economy is booming and they are becoming a threat to the first world.
We were always happy with their cheap labour produce for decades. |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 31 Aug 2007 : 12:18:53
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| If they mould the world why would China be a threat ? This is a competitive world ; competition requires some degree of selfishness. China is equally after its self interest. They do not pay their workers , they produce poor and inferior products , they infringe on copy right and patent laws . But that is not the point , if every one is taking care of themselves , let's take care of ourselves and stop sitting down and complaining about .... |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 31 Aug 2007 : 12:21:18
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I having been watching some news stories from India with interest. India is becoming a success in the developing world.
Part of what is making it a success is the fact that educated people speak english. Gambia could capitalise on this much more IF it had decent electricity supply.
Also the main difference that I see is India is looking forward and modernising with a 'CAN DO' ATTITUDE. It was inspiring to see.
In Gambia I feel that the Muslim religious attitude that 'Allah will provide' and the fatalism that brings is really holding people back.
My advice to any young man or women in Gambia would be to get a skill or trade and start your own business. Start VERY small and build it up.
My advice to the government is that for any business to survive you need a reliable electricity supply and trained, reliable, honest workers. |
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twinkly
United Kingdom
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Posted - 31 Aug 2007 : 12:28:13
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If they mould the world why would China be a threat ?
Because of its size China is becoming a THREAT and could possibly interfere and block western interests, or become too powerful....
Gambiabev
maybe you should focus on India then and go on holiday there to find your toyboy, instaed of critisising everything about Gambia apart from its lovely weather and beaches? |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 31 Aug 2007 : 12:51:13
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[quote][i]Originally posted by Gambiabev.
Also the main difference that I see is India is looking forward and modernising with a 'CAN DO' ATTITUDE. It was inspiring to see.
Thank you Bev.
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turk
USA
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Posted - 31 Aug 2007 : 13:56:37
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In Gambia I feel that the Muslim religious attitude that 'Allah will provide' and the fatalism that brings is really holding people back.
Stereotype. Too much Fox, CNN, SKY? Contrary, allah orders to work and work is taken as "worship". May I add, contrary to 'western attitude', muslims are not obsession for consumer. To say Religion is the reason for Gambia not advancing is ridiculous. What about the economic success of malaysia, indonesia, turkey?
How about the suggestion that gambia should follow the brits to advance economically. Colonize lands, involve slave trade, kill thousands of the indegenous of a continent, take the land and send their surplus labour to those places. That may help to overcome their islamic flaws.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 31 Aug 2007 : 13:59:19
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Mr. Kayjatta
about india. Actually, one of the reason india's succes is totally political. British empire could not divide and rule india as they did in india. So their unity, united government did not have to deal with political crisis, instead they focus on economic development. Africa is divided. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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