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twinkly
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 Posted - 29 Aug 2007 : 11:49:21
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I just started reading the Thread about Iraq's survival....
Half way through I see the topic changed to US and democracy.
I would like to share with you a documentary, some in the UK might have seen it on Aug.20.
Please have the patience and time to download and watch it,I can only recommend it.
It doesn't talk about Iraq, but about Latinamerica and Americas war on democracy.
A leader who does not work together with the US is classed as a dictator, the US even sponsors and trains political parties to overthrow governments that are blocking the US from their interest in that country.
A true eyeopener.This doc is about Latinamerica but the same tactics can be observed around the world.
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twinkly
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Santanfara
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Posted - 29 Aug 2007 : 11:56:15
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| twink ,i wonder what brother kay will have to say about this . |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 29 Aug 2007 : 11:59:41
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Originally posted by twinkly
Silly me, the link might be useful aswell...........
http://onebigtorrent.org/details.php?id=2377&hit=1
twink ,another good article to read is ''how to steal the presidency 'by greg palast . |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 29 Aug 2007 : 12:21:59
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| You have to be cautious about anything pulled off the internet. We have come a long way from the 80s , and this excerpt is very scanty , it did not even elaborate on any of it's assertions. But I agree U.S. foreign policy has seen it's darkest days for example in the 60s when the CIA were very active in assassinating political oppenents around the world including Africa. |
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twinkly
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29 Aug 2007 : 12:40:47
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Kayjatta
This was a documentary shown on British national TV by a well known(obviously not very well liked) reporter.Nothing dodgy from the internet
Please feel free to investigate about the author on
http://www.johnpilger.com/
It makes me think about the political history of the Gambia, which was also overthrown my a military government,the leader trained in and supported by the US..... |
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sab
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29 Aug 2007 : 19:36:47
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Twinkly - John Pilger has been around very long time & manages to unearth the darkest of details. If you dont manage to buy any of his books - do have a browse of him on internet.
Unbelieveable revelations in his book of 'The New Rulers of the World' also.
I went to the unveiling of the Nelson Mandela statue in Parliament Square, on the train I saw someone reading Freedon Next Time - John Pilger - nearly year old & it had by-passed me! Back to the bookshop next week!
Thanks for the link - I will watch it later.
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The world would be a poorer place if it was peopled by children whose parents risked nothing in the cause of social justice, for fear of personal loss. (Joe Slovo - African revolutionary) |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30 Aug 2007 : 00:02:05
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| WOW, you were so lucky to be at the unveiling. I would have loved to have been there. It looks a fantastic sculpture. Was it a good occasion, please tell us more. |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 30 Aug 2007 : 06:32:40
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| Thanks for that link Twinky , I do not know John Pilger. The information provided on that link is so scanty it is hardly useful. He just made bold assertions without any substantiation. Did you see any substantiation ? |
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twinkly
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30 Aug 2007 : 10:03:52
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Kay
You should take the time and watch the video.It is a film-long documentary but they do show documents of the US secrect service and lots of interviews.It just makes sense and it all adds up.
Thank you Santanfara, another useful and very interesting link.
I'm just waking up to the reality of our world and such links and info are greatly apprechiated.
I only wish there was something we could do to change but all I can do is focus on the almighty to keep me sane
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kayjatta
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Posted - 30 Aug 2007 : 10:40:37
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| Thanks Twinky , might be worth the time. Sounds interesting . No wonder the terms "to pilger" or 'pilgerize"... |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 30 Aug 2007 : 11:15:18
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Originally posted by kayjatta
Thanks for that link Twinky , I do not know John Pilger. The information provided on that link is so scanty it is hardly useful. He just made bold assertions without any substantiation. Did you see any substantiation ?
kay ,are you just winding us up or what ? the guy is a good writer and one the best investigative journalist yet you are trying to be little him .are you realy from the third world or are you pretending to a gambian ? because if you are from the third world and you are not a hawk who is blind to pligt of the poor you will respect john pliger and his works. have you ever watch any decumentary of americas or any developed worlds brutality ? i am not again blaming the people of the developed world , but the rulers .kay ,please don't give us heart attack . |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 30 Aug 2007 : 11:46:01
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| I know , its just about the blame game.Pilger is a sensational writer and a self-declared anti-west. You do not have to be anti-west to tell the story of the third world. All you need to do is be neutral. Good writers are neutral and objective. |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 30 Aug 2007 : 11:58:53
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Originally posted by kayjatta
I know , its just about the blame game.Pilger is a sensational writer and a self-declared anti-west. You do not have to be anti-west to tell the story of the third world. All you need to do is be neutral. Good writers are neutral and objective.
yet again .are you neutral? is the world bank neutral ? is america neutral ? please abek
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Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 30 Aug 2007 : 12:18:04
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| Santafara....you are wearing me out ! We do not wanna mix potatoes and apples here... |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30 Aug 2007 : 12:25:45
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Originally posted by kayjatta
I know , its just about the blame game.Pilger is a sensational writer and a self-declared anti-west. You do not have to be anti-west to tell the story of the third world. All you need to do is be neutral. Good writers are neutral and objective.
Kay do I understand you to say that writing about effects of imperialism, super power agenda, anti-west and good critics of U.S policies cannot make you objective
Why are you comfortable with western ideologies and american |
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