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GambianPatriot
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 Posted - 22 Aug 2007 : 19:26:26
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This was initially diaried on my blog.
While nderry is getting all over himself because a Ghanaian paper refered to the killings of Ghanaians in the Gambia as "jammenocide", the Ghanaian minister of the Interior: Hon. Kwamena Bartels is cautioning his countrymen to exercise patience since in his words:
“Not that the Government is quiet but we have to get some hard facts before we proceed and that is why we are using diplomacy to approach the case”, he said.
The nation of Ghana has no hard facts in the case. They are using diplomacy to get to the facts behind the killings. That in layman's term means...working with the authorities in the Gambia to investigate. Does it help the Ghanaian investigators if journalist without any shred of evidence try, judge and convict the sitting head of state of the nation whose help they need to solve this case.
Reading through the piece, I am kinda baffle at this admission by the Ghanaian interior minister:
The MP for Ablekuma North said the government did not even know the actual number of people who had died and their real identities since there were no records to prove that.
So the 44 people... a number bandied around is not even ascertained by the Ghanaian authorities. For all we know the number could be far less or greater than 44. I am betting lower.
Most of the people pointing a finger at Yahya Jammeh based their allegations on the words of an eye witness and the narratives of nderry mbai's police source: sekouba Jadama. In the case of the former, the interior minister made it sound like a classic he said, they said situation in this utterances:
He said they had not laid hands on any evidence just yet and that what an eyewitness was saying over here in Ghana was different from the position of the Gambians.
It is prudent that people opposed to Yahya Jammeh's regime, take caution and not get all excited as if this will spell doom for it. Unless someone can provide evidence that Yahya participated or ordered the killings, then it is save to say that in a court of law he isn't going to get convicted. Public opinion (especially in Ghana) is another thing.
I will conclude with this cautionary statement the Ghanaian interior minister made:
He continued that since the government had no evidence, there was no way they could attack a President of a sovereign country. “You can’t take any action when you don’t have your facts”, he stressed.
Did you catch that nderry? ... FACTS. I am not condoning the murder of innocent people, but I refuse to tag someone a murderer without any evidence, save for my disdain for his authoritarian rule.
Read the rest of the story here: http://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/NewsArchive/artikel.php?ID=129274
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Dalton1
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Posted - 23 Aug 2007 : 00:23:27
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G-patriot,
Interesting developments here. & thanks for the forward.
at the end of the day, all people are calling for is true justice. it is certain that those Ghanians didn't commit suicide. the number of deaths is scary, and the mode of occurence questionable.
in fact, i am of the view that the gambian government shouldn't have waited to be called to explain. it happened in a Gambian soil.
"let justice guide our actions."
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Kumi
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Posted - 23 Aug 2007 : 02:07:36
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My dear,
The issue of using diplomacy to unravel the truth leading to the killings of the innocent people will not mean overlooking the evidences people are giving.
Everybody knows the govenment of Gambian has been unco-operative in finding the truth.Diplomatically, the Ghanaian government must addmit that they don't have evidence now since Yahya's government has not said anything yet.There is an iota of truth in every rumour, just keep your fingers crossed.
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 Aug 2007 : 13:58:04
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The hard FACTS are that astrocities or muders on these foreigners have been committed whilst they were UNDER CUSTODY AND BEING INVESTIGATED as MERCHENARIES (linked with Kukoi Samba Sanyang) at a very critical time i.e DURING CELEBRATIONS OF JULY 22nd! When they were caught, the AUTHORITIES MADE A STATEMENT through the MEDIA including The G.R.T.S THAT a folied coup plot has taken place and some merchenaries were caught on Gambian waters and within borders.
They were the VICTIMS OF ANY ASTROCITIES ALLEGED TO HAVE BEEN COMMITTED FROM CHILLING ACCOUNTS. It is GOVERNMENT'S RESPONSIBILITY TO ACCOUNT and not NDERRY. Smearing against NDERRY diverts ATTENTION TO THE HARD FACTS AND REAL ISSUES OF SAFE AND SOUND, ALIVE OR DEATH WHEN THEY WERE UNDER CUSTODY AND QUEST FOR JUSTICE BY VICTIMS FAMILIES!
Exploiting DIPLOMACY means GOVERNMENT is the main contact and focus on cooperation to carry out necessary FULL INVESTIGATIONS TO UNCOVER THE DETAILS OF THEIR DEATHS! However the DIPLOMATIC REMARKS were EXCELLENT and we do hope that Gambian authorities will cooperate on the INVESTIGATIONS Its a good diplomatic trause from the Ghanian Interior Minister Barbel
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kaanibaa
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 Aug 2007 : 22:57:57
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| This again is just like I said earlier on ; the Ghanaians are very mature people and a nation that stood up for the whole of Africa during those dark days of colonialism will not rush into attacking any sister state based on assumptions rather they will investigate and certainly if there were any atrocities they will find out and then and only then will they act.This does not mean that I for one does not believe the story,I do. One can just stop here and ask the question why the occurrence of deaths and the dumping of such bodies at the said locations were not properly addressed by our national police and duly reported or as per proper process dealth with by an inquest ; preliminary inquiry by a coroner? Surely such institutional facilities are in place for the use of the system but I dear say they ignored the norm . Silence is ominous and it signals something sinister on the part of a responsible body to wit the Gambia Government and by default the police authority and the justice department for that matter did not do any thing to shed light on the said deaths and dumped bodies. Let no one tell us that there were no deaths or dumped bodies please please please. I do not also believe that Ghanaians or their government authorities are naive and that they do not believe that something had happened for they will find out the truth one way or the other. |
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kaanibaa
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 Aug 2007 : 23:11:32
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This was gleaned from the All africa.com release recently so we wait to hear the out come
Stephen Odoi-Larbi
A seven member government delegation has been assigned to Gambia to continue investigations into the murder of eight Ghanaians and disappearance of about forty-four others in July, 2005 whilst en route to Europe through Senegal.
According to a release signed by Mr. Jefferson Kwamina Sackey, the Media Relations Officer of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, yesterday, the delegation would depart Accra for the Gambia on Friday 24th August 22, 2007.
The release noted that the delegation comprises experts from the Criminal Investigation Department, the Ghana Police Service, The Attorney General's Department, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and the Ministry of Information.
It further stated that the delegation was working in close collaboration with the Ghana Mission in Dakar, Senegal and other contacts in the Gambia on the matter.
It concluded that the final phase of Ghana's investigations is due for completion in September, 2007 after which a final and comprehensive report would be presented to the Government.
The release further intimated that President John Agyekum Kufuor in receiving the report in 2005 sent a high level fact-finding Mission to the Gambia to meet with the Gambia leader, H. E. President Yahyah Jammeh and other high-ranking Gambian Security officials on the matter.
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It continued that during the first visit to the Gambia, the Ghanaian fact-finding mission proposed a joint Ghana-Gambia investigative effort to unravel the circumstances leading to the murder/disappearance and it was accepted by the Gambian President, who pledged his country's full co-oporation to unearth the truth.
He continued that a number of visits had been undertaken subsequently to the Gambia, underscoring the Ghana government's commitment to pressurize the Gambian government to consider all means available to deal with the matter.
The release came immediately after The Chronicle newspaper published it in last Tuesday's edition enquiries made from the Minister of Interior, Hon. Kwamena Bartels about the state of the Gambian killings.
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Kumi
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Posted - 24 Aug 2007 : 03:37:57
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Let the cronnies of Jammeh continue to defend him.Even satan has supporters so I am surprised the least. These people were arrested by Gambian security men, they were in police custody.
The next time, their dead bodies were found lying around the coast of brufut.
Even prior to that heartless execution, an annoucement was made on the radio that some people were in the country to overthrow Jammeh's government,and that they had been arrested and were in police custody.
Who is this prime suspect in this case?
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GambianPatriot
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Posted - 24 Aug 2007 : 21:54:36
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Kumi,
Don't give motive to people especially if you don't know them. No one is condoning the killing of innocent people. Personally if you or anyone for that can prove that Jammeh killed them, then by all means sue his fat ass. Do whatever it takes to get justice. However justice demands evidence and if you have the facts that the interior minister claimed his government is still looking for, then forward it to them. If the investigations proof that Yahya murdered these people, may he rot in hell and suffer before he breathe his last breath because he would have deserve that. Until then I am not ready to put the blame on him if that makes me an apologist for him, then so be it. Innocent until proven otherwise.... |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25 Aug 2007 : 14:23:31
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Originally posted by GambianPatriot on Topic: Ghanian Killings!
This is my take on the issue...published initially on my blog @: http://gambi-a.blogspot.com/2007/08/big-baller-shot-caller.html
Please note that comments and observations may refer to your blog under http://gambi-a.blogspot.com/2007/08/big-baller-shot-caller.html
Having reviewed your blog and following your interests in this MURDER CASE, am sorry to make the following provocative comments. In my opinion I consider you as part of a DEFENSE TEAM IN A MURDER CASE AND A POLITICAL PAWN or UNDER-COVER AGENT ("Am wondering that YOU HAVE SPY LOOKS IN YOUR EYES on the comfortable executive chair in that private room?"); serving someones PRIVATE INTERESTS or an individual only on this case. It looks that its under your potfolio (BANJUL CONFIDENTIAL!) amongst other CONFIDENTIAL ISSUES that you have to addressed in-voluntarily. However having said those taunting remarks, lets move on CRITICALLY ON THE REAL ISSUES on this case.
You knew that it is common to consider THE LAW AS AN ASS!; AS ANYONE CAN RIDE ON IT. There are lots of loopholes and elements about LAW & JUSTICE. You will also agree that this case involves HIGH-LEVEL POLITICS AND DIPLOMACY amongst other conflicts of interests.
You may think that it only ends with your conclusion that "INNOCENT until proven GUILTY!" is enough but also SOMEONE IS ACCOUNTABLE AND INDICTABLE EITHER DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY, which will be pursued through a series of process; i.e diplomatic means to ensure full cooperation on the investigations, gathering of FACTS & EVIDENCES and LEGAL PROCESS. Therefore it is pre-mature to clamour on "Innocent until proven guilty!". There is therefore the need for full investigations conducted.
However what would have been your take and comments if we were to probe and consider these pre-liminary questions on ISSUES relating to this CASE OF MYSTERIOUS MURDERS, as follows
1) Were they not caught in Gambian waters by the national security apparatus (and COMMANDER IN CHIEF INFORMED OF INTERCEPTION OF A SERIOUS THREATH TO NATIONAL SECURITY); under government CUSTODY before they faced DEATHS
2) When they were caught, why did they consider them as posing SERIOUS THREATHS
3) If they posed serious threaths, don't you think that there must have been HIGH-LEVEL COMMUNICATIONS that went round the AUTHORITIES
3) What transpired when they were brought to dock, during interogations, screening and other ATIVITIES, before they met tragedy
4) Who ordered what
5) What orders were made by COMANDER IN CHIEF at time of their ARRESTS and confiscation of boat POSING SERIOUS THREATHS TO NATIONAL SECURITY
6) Finally, courtesy of Karamba; please refer to this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicarious_liability_(criminal)and add up- the pieces together as a VERY INTELLIGENT PERSON and with your EXPERTISE.
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Originally posted by Karamba on Topic: Ghanian Killings
Kondorong,
I am with you on the scale of responsibility regarding this matter. The Highest Excellency Alhajj Doktorr Yahya is the chief responsible person in this crime. There are two levels of liability that can help us reason this case out. We have OCCUPIER'S LIABILITY. We also have VICARIOUS LIABILITY. These relevant legal instrument that when set in certain perspective leaves us resting the task on the broad back bones of of our higher excellency. He is paid by tax payers. He commands the weapons, the resources, and directs the secret police agents. All the information about even little migratory birds flying over Gambia's air space is captured and delivered to Yahya Jammeh at State House. It is incredible to imagine that information about a whole mass massacre of this maginitude is not within his vast array of security details.
See if the link below is of any help:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicarious_liability_(criminal)
The Law is not only about "Innocent unitil proven Guilty!". Thats a starting point but not an end game 
Themes of OUR NATIONAL ANTHEM beimg dedicated to all PROGRESSIVE GAMBIAN PATRIOTS!. Am asking you Gambianpatriot, who are they!
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 26 Aug 2007 : 16:25:06
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Kobo,
Don't think these lot don't know how guilty Yahya Jammeh is. For anyone to sit before a screen beating on computer keyboard is easy as that. What they are unable to do is tear Jammeh and his chronic guilt apart. Before going about claiming cure for desparate patients, Jammeh is the most infected who requires treatment. All that heap of wrong committed by one person is enough load. Anyone who is true sympathiser of Yahya Jammeh would give a soothing therapy rather than continuing to flatter him with lofty titles and false confidence of being a master healer. The kind ones will console Jammeh and the deceptive ones continue to praise sing. It is up to Jammeh knowing the difference or living in a fool's paradise. The end will justify it all. |
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GambianPatriot
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Posted - 26 Aug 2007 : 17:02:42
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Karamba wrote:
For anyone to sit before a screen beating on computer keyboard is easy as that.
That is so true... and it is exactly what all of us are doing here on the bantaba. Chai fitna. |
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GambianPatriot
USA
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Posted - 26 Aug 2007 : 17:07:48
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Kobo wrote:
("Am wondering that YOU HAVE SPY LOOKS IN YOUR EYES on the comfortable executive chair in that private room?");
The photo you are referring to is that of Nderry Mbai. So your observation is hogwash. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 26 Aug 2007 : 17:14:30
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Originally posted by GambianPatriot
Kobo wrote:
("Am wondering that YOU HAVE SPY LOOKS IN YOUR EYES on the comfortable executive chair in that private room?");
The photo you are referring to is that of Nderry Mbai. So your observation is hogwash.
Thanks for your PROMT ACTION! You may be using that as a camouflage and UNDER-COVER
What about CLOSE SCRUTINY OF THOSE QUESTIONS relevant in the INVESTIGATIONS |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 26 Aug 2007 : 17:52:43
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GambiaPatriot,
Yes, we are all able to beat our computer keyboard. We can in no way beat THE TRUTH. The reference from Kobo is loaded. Why can't you in all your capability take up one issue and refute it. Have you SERIOUSLY read and appreciate the implications of VICARIOUS LIABILITY and OCCUPIER'S LIABILITY? Do we really need to prove Pa Nderry wrong as a means to JUSTIFY Yahya Jammeh INNOCENT? Supposed Pa Nderry does not observe or write about Yahya, will the TRUTH still not be alive and kicking? Thanks any way for letting us know you had chance to read and could respond!! |
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GambianPatriot
USA
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Posted - 27 Aug 2007 : 00:55:35
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| I am not in the business of apportioning guilt without evidence. That is my only bone of contention on this issue. Unless you can provide evidence to convict, ain't nothing coming out of it. All this macho crap behind keyboards doesn't help matters. I abhor Jammeh's rule, but I am not about to convict the man behind a keyboard. I will leave that to you. Talk about huffing and puffing. |
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GambianPatriot
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Posted - 27 Aug 2007 : 01:02:28
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kobo wrote:
Thanks for your PROMT ACTION! You may be using that as a camouflage and UNDER-COVER
Can you say gullible....you made an observation that is wrong. When I called you on it you play dumb. Under cover my ass.
The investiagtion is still going on the last time I checked.Some get a grip until it is concluded. Will ya? That is not too much to ask is it? |
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