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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
 Posted - 04 Aug 2007 : 00:34:40
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Anyone who feels they want to go home and help our people should be encouraged. Those who feel that they can't are free to stay. However, as Dbaldeh, Koto Alhassan has advocated, there are certain things that we can provide for our people back home. Things that the gov't are not providing fully or not all. The Gambia does not belong to any individual, how we relate to the masses today may haunt us tomorrow. There are NGOs that are doing extremely well back home. Trying and failing is not a shame. As Koto Alhassan has said PDOIS are doing it why not others? We msut learn to be trailbalizers. Those of us residing in the UK or US know that we are enjoying certain things today thanks to those who were here before us. They sacrifice d so that we could enjoy. I recently read that a Gambian borther Dr. Banutu Gomez is going back home to contribute his quota , thats a fabulous idea. Jollof Tutors is a household name today in the Gambia in providng tertiary education. Its own and run by a young Gambian Alhaji Kurang. This Kurang was a junior of mine in SAHS.He's a graduate who had worked previously wit some banks before setting up Joloff tutors. If he can do it why not me? Muhammed Jah QuantumNet are all young Gambian entrepreneurs? Ebrima Bah Apex Optics etc etc. These boys have succeeded such that they have now extended their tentacles to the sub-region, Sierra Leone and Guinea Bissau.
So more grease to elbows of all progressive Gambians. The Gambia First before anything else or anyone else. |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 04 Aug 2007 : 01:19:03
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Mdiba
Apex Optics is actually owned by a Swedish Lady called Ida. Bah is a partner. Bah's brother is now the Director of the Museum mr. Joof. Apex is now in Serrekunda, banjul(adjacent to RVH) and Guinea Bissau. I must admit, i am one of their clients and they have done good work for me and my glass still comes handy.
Kurang you are right worked for AGIB(Arab Gambia Islamic Bank). Jah is also doing well with Quantum.
Yes. I have no problem to people setting up businesses in the Gambia. Personally, my calling is in education. I help in small ways to pay school fees or buy uniforms for the needy for many years now and i am happy that i have put atleast four students through High School one of whom is now in College overseas. My last student graduated last year and i am looking for some people i can help. I am not rich but if all of us can sponsor one child, then Gambia will be very different. I like to go it alone. In many cases, a joint Gambian venture seem to end in the dustbin. Few survive beyond six months.
Ignorance is the greatest threat to democracy.So if anyone can help let them do as they can.
But i am against Alhassan's policy that if only others will do something then he will. The will must be from oneself. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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Karl
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Posted - 04 Aug 2007 : 04:34:43
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madiba,
Indeed, few eminent individuals and their engagements you gave as examples are surely positive and encouraging despite political frustration on the ground. However, we still need to reflect and refresh our minds on the general picture that, The Gambia is run by authoritarian regime, thanks to Jammeh. The Gambia, under his rule is some how messy. Private progressive individuals who choose to have less affairs with the ruling APRC, are some times portrayed as opposition elements against whom almost any measure could be justified both politically and economically. The current system is definitely making it hard for progressive citizens to render meaningful or high profile non-political projects to ordinary Gambians without one way or the other declearing open support for the president and his party. There is always a frenzy suspicious cloud over those who want to maintaion neutral grounds regardless their undertakings or what they intend to deliver. No wonder this is a major obstacle for many. They impose systematic methods to measure or determine individuals, businesses and organizations loyality to their course. We have seen and heard of such cases over and over again.
Above all, the root of the problem is the system that breed this kind of dirty dealing concept. What we all need to focus and challenge right now is how to eradicate this hypocrisy sooner rather than later hence freeing the socio-political setup for more progressive avenues on the ground. By the same token, effords to help in education and medical care for instance kondorong's case helping to sponsor in education should always be encouraged to reduce ignorance among the future generations. |
"People who shut their eyes to reality simply invite their own destruction, and anyone who insists on remaining in a state of innocence long after that innocence is dead turns himself into a monster" J Baldwin |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 04 Aug 2007 : 10:15:00
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KOnds thanks for reminding me that the swedish lady still has a share in Apex. BUt if Ebrima was not courageous to stay put and see to it that Apex succeeds, they might have folded up longtime.
I am thrilled to learn of ur assistance to the needy. Thats indeed noble. Like many Gambians i have also taught at different levels but trying my hands in something else. It is fervent desire to setup something like Dr. Banutu further in the Provinces to assist. But you see am no Phd yet Still working hard to complete my studies here since am self-sponsored. Maybe you can extend ur hand to me. who knows i may make you proud oneday and be ur first sponsosred Phd candidate |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 04 Aug 2007 : 10:28:56
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Karl you are right the political climate is not at all rosy. However where these people who are apolitical are able to succed, i feel others too can succeed. I know people who are donating to hospitals and schools who don't even care that Jammeh exists. What they are interested in is seeing that their donations reach their targets. Some would even come down to oversee the donations. People like Saul Sowe is not a politican yet his donates many medical equipment and even one time came wit some norwegian Physiotherapists to help out wit chronic back, joints problems in most parts of the country.FREE. Though some politician would like publicity as ground-breaking, ribbon-cutting and stuff like that, let them have it.
Brother if you want, visit home and do ur feasibility studies and see for ur self. However as Dbaldeh warned , it would be better not to involve family member. The dangers in that is they may politise it and run amok wit the authorities that would only create bad blood. Give it a shot and see. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 04 Aug 2007 : 13:42:12
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| Some ventures are operating in Gambia today as show of the very hypocricy and deception that APRC settles on. Quantum !! Yes, Quantum! Late Finance Minister, Koro Ceesay, burnt in his official car was part of Quantum from start. The regime fines it convenient to patronise Quantum for many good reasons. 'The Point' newspaper is still operating in Gambia almost three years now since Deyda Hydara was gunned down by state operatives. Will anyone dare call that also FREEDOM OF PRESS ? Momodou Soma Jobe was like a CooKoo (Chakoo if you like that) on the big shoulders of Baba Jobe, one time seen as co-president of Gambia. Baba Jobe is now Prisoner and Momodou Soma Jobe (without the least skill for that job) is Commissioner LRD. World wonders !!! Haruna Sabally was stripped as Chief for a while and now re-instated after his temporal successor slaughtered bulls and threw merry-making jubilation parties. In many parts of the country, one member of the same family is set against the next, all as part of this endless hypocricy and deceptive politics. It is along same lines that some faithful Gambians choose to stay operating as part of the building blocks of Africa's Babylon. Yes, those who command the resources and willing to risk, welcome to Gambia 'No Problem!!' |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 04 Aug 2007 : 14:59:45
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Karamba you are very bitter person. May Allah shine some light in ur heart. I have never seen a bitter person as you. Sorry to say it hear. If Koro was a founding father of Quantum and so wat? If his friends and not the business has any lead to give evidence in any court of law probably , the day will come wen it would be right for them to present the evidence. The business in my little business knowledge is only a legal person and therefore has no liabilities to the physical persons the shareholders as the case maybe. So if a shareholders dies a painful death, does that mean they should fold up? Or wat do you want them to do? Any help?
ThePoint has the pen as its only weapon and as far as i could see, they are advocating for those killers to be brought to book by the gov't. Their appeal is almost of daily basis. Or wat do you want them to do? Any suggestions?
Freedom of assocaition is a universal right. Soma Jobe has the right to associate whoever he wants to. Besides they are all APRC. So i dnt care who dates who in the APRC, all i want is to see their back. To be replace by a better Gov't and a crop of sincere and hardworking technocrats.
Firing and hiring is a one of Jammeh and hsi APRC trademark, so Uncle Haruna Sabally's resurgence is no surprise to me atleast.
Karamba live and let live! |
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Edited by - MADIBA on 04 Aug 2007 15:02:13 |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 04 Aug 2007 : 16:10:56
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Madiba,
One basic fact about chemistry is that chemists end up seeing the colour they seek to see. Calling me 'bitter' is your chemical blend. If you are happy to perceive me bitter, no qualms. I have no desire to influence your judgement(s). The unfortunate thing is that you unknowingly mistake facts and jump to very hasty conclusions. Read carefully to capture MESSAGE and MEANING of statements before jumping up and down. There is nothing implied in the Koro-Quantum reference. The simple fact is that Koro was part of Quantum. That is no obligation on the side of Jah or other Quantum Associates to serve as witness to his murder by state operatives. Go ahead and post BITTER images of me and see if that turns me bitter at all. Speculation (LAMBAATU) is a dangerous way for those who wade in the muddy waters. You are better off casting your views and allow the good audience digest than casting adjectives over the skins of others. Good luck to you in your efforts. |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 06 Aug 2007 : 14:41:20
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Karamba, to you there is hardly anything positive in/about Gambia. Does your heart ache because of the success of other people? You always seem to go on a rampage with every oportunity. Quit being bitter! for its is not good for your heart. For God shake Gambia does not belong to Yaya Jammeh nor is he bigger than Gambia. Yaya Jammeh found Gambia here so shall he live it here. Because he is ruling Gambia does not mean positive things should happen there. I wonder if you have any relatives in Gambia who may benefit from the initiatives of people trying to make Gambia a better place. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 06 Aug 2007 : 18:06:31
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Originally posted by MADIBA
KOnds thanks for reminding me that the swedish lady still has a share in Apex. BUt if Ebrima was not courageous to stay put and see to it that Apex succeeds, they might have folded up longtime.
I am thrilled to learn of ur assistance to the needy. Thats indeed noble. Like many Gambians i have also taught at different levels but trying my hands in something else. It is fervent desire to setup something like Dr. Banutu further in the Provinces to assist. But you see am no Phd yet Still working hard to complete my studies here since am self-sponsored. Maybe you can extend ur hand to me. who knows i may make you proud oneday and be ur first sponsosred Phd candidate
Madiba
I have a feeeling that i know you very well. Our lives have crossed many times. Perhaps we darnk attaya together
But you see, i have no Ph.D. either. I went to night school at the WEC Mission in Wellingara. John Major, the former British Prime Minister had no degree.
Bill Gates droped out of college. A degree is a means to an end. Its not an end in itself. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 06 Aug 2007 : 21:21:06
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Mansasulu,
Lack of preparation on your side does not spell an emergency on my part. You are free to call me names. I will in no way stoop low enough to cast insincere adjectives on your skin. You describing me bitter is nix to me. Since I am confident you have the wrong reading of me, I am quite comfortable to leave you rot in error. Have a capa tea to quench your mind and stop seeking to polute others. If you, in the best of your judgements believe I have all things cast in the negative image, you must be competent enough to water down everything from me that you consider negative. That is the best way to counter a conflicting opinion. How can you employ all your energy and stopping on the trembling grounds of accusing someone else's views negative when you have not lifted even a feather weight of counter facts ?? Where are we going, Master Mansasulu ?? |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 06 Aug 2007 : 22:19:02
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Well Gambia is a small country. Won't be surprised to have shared a LOWAL(quality) Attaya wit you
Because of the possibility of having socialized before, then i think my sponsorship would come thru for the PhD |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 06 Aug 2007 : 22:43:55
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Originally posted by MADIBA
Well Gambia is a small country. Won't be surprised to have shared a LOWAL(quality) Attaya wit you
Because of the possibility of having socialized before, then i think my sponsorship would come thru for the PhD
Well judging by your postings here, you are a lready a son of the pen. I dont think you need a Ph.D.
Perhaps some magic water |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 08 Aug 2007 : 18:41:35
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Originally posted by dbaldeh
Brother Karl, I concur with your summary that there are some of us who try to make sense out of what is being discussed.
Kobo, am sorry but am not out to impress anyone. My role in this debate is to lay out the arguements and connect the dots from Jawara to Jammeh and to the future....
Kon, please understand that I am not comparing Jammeh to Jawara. To me they are the worst that ever happened to the Gambia. My arguement has been that ONE is the PRODUCT of another and Gambia as a whole derserves better than what these people offered us. I however, want to compare to the U.S and any other nation that is able to provide for their people what they deserve. If they can do it why couldn't we? Or are we accepting inferiority to their ability over us?
My points of arguement is that Gambia doen't derserve someone like Jammeh and his government. In connecting the history that led us to Jammeh, Jawara became the center of the arguement. Indeed it was because of his recklessness that led us to Jammeh and our present situation in the Gambia.
I would like us to conclude on this topic and move on to something probably more productive. I would suggest each of us state our positions in summary about the following:
1. To your understanding, at this point in the history of our nation, 42 years after independence, who, Jawara or Jammeh had or has a greater opportunity to turn Gambia into, a political, social, and economic decent nation? Who is better politically and intellectually positioned to have a greater impact on the welbeing of the Gambian people?
I asked these unconclusive questions, because at this point we need to agree to diagree and at the same time we make our positions clear not for our interest for the best interest of the Gambia and its people. What say you?
QUOTES EXTRACTED FROM ABOVE:
"Who is better politically and intellectually positioned to have a greater impact on the welL being of the Gambian people?
I asked these unconclusive questions, because at this point we need to agree to diagree and at the same time we make our positions clear not for our interest for the best interest of the Gambia and its people. What say you?
END OF QUOTE:
I MUST ACKNOWLEDGE THAT EVERYBODY IS ENTITLED TO ONE'S OPINIONS.
When Jawara was toppled commissions of enquiries and other POLITICAL PROPAGANDA follow in terms of ACCOUNTABILITY, PROBITY $ TRANSPARENCY, RECTIFICATIONS, RECONSTRUCTIONS, elimination of nepotism and tribalism etc etc. However the political conditions are more adverse presently than the first republic. Therefore in my opinion POLITICALLY the stakes and expectations were high for Jammeh and A.P.R.C to demonstrate GOOD GOVERNANCE AND STEWARDSHIP to steer for the BEST INTEREST OF THE GAMBIA.
On the socio-economic development, irrespective of the infrastures there were more prosperity for the nation than present times. My assessment is based on the standards at the civil service, salaries, health (cost of drugs and hospital sercices), cost of living, lack of business opportunities as businesses are not encouraged to thrive and politics is at play in all sectors of development, fewer Public Institutions and coorporations are inaugurated during 2nd republic and few business tycoons and financial insitutions that cannot compete with the one's seen before(e.g GAMSTAR, GREAT ALLIANCE, SANKUNG SILLAH, Quantaum Associates, TAF, GACEM, JIMPEX, SONKO JILENG) and if they exist they are mannned by non-gambians. No new business enterprises seen so far 
INTELLECTUALLY Jawara was a good statesman and diplomat to earn us winning the international community, African Center Fore Human Rights Headquarters, U.S.A.I.D, CARITAS, uncountable NDGOs. In addition Gambians intellectuals and technocrats were filling top positions under interntional appointments at the African Development Bank, World Bank (Dr. Langley Executive Director), United Nations, World Health Organistion, etc by those who already served a stable civil service.
I must re-iterate that DEVELOPMENT WAS AT THE DOOR-STEP OF GAMBIANS towards demise and ousting of Jawara's government.
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 08 Aug 2007 : 19:02:01
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Kobo,
Jammeh ascended on us Gambians to arrest everything!! He crippled the entire development process and brought the heavily politicised sub-standard white elephant stuff calling it development. Gambians have to stop joking and do something about this childish road show. |
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