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Dalton1
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 Posted - 02 Aug 2007 : 18:10:52
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Originally posted by Santanfara
.our bigger problem now is yahya and his devil ways. the disappearances and slow purnishments.
you just summed it all.
 Dalton |
"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 02 Aug 2007 : 18:17:33
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Originally posted by Alhassan
kobo,
Are you one of those proffesors who have problem at home?
This is our problem. We see the problem of the country as individual problems and not national problems. If Kobo is indeed one of those professors in trouble, it should be our prolem as gambians and not his problem. Once we begin to say if someone is "one of those", then we have created a distiction among ourselves. United we stand, divided we fall.
Like Martin Luther said ".. Injustice any where, is a threat to justice every where..."
Alhassan your statement that you are prepared to go to gambia if others will go is not the right approach. You need to go based on your convictions.
Originally posted by Alhassan
The last bit of your posting is very intresting indeed. I have asked similar questions before, but no answers. What you mean here are the real actions needed if we want a change in the Gambia. Paper tigers cannot biring about development. Gambia has too many lawyers, professors, doctors and maybe even scientis, but how come it is one of the most underdeveloped countries in the world?
There has been too much talking. Now is time for action. I am ready to go to Gambia and start if there are otheres who are willing to do so. It could even be an NGO if the support is there.
Some Gambian professors did come home after 1994, but left sooner than the ink of their appointment letters dried up. Personally i dont think i am competent to speak for them but the environment must be right for creative thinking.
It looks like those who seem to prosper are those who when asked to jump, only ask how high. Those who ask why they should jump in the first place seem to be saboteurs and opposition sympathisers. That is why you can have a Dresser (the guy who administers first aid to wounds) as the Chief Executive of RVH.
I happen to be at Abuko on one occassion when Abdoulaye Wadda was attending the Annual Tobaski Ram Competion. He introduced his Health Minister who was recruited from WHO. He said he could not pay salaries of the UN but he could provide the conducive environment to retain well qualified Senegalese are are ready to sacrifice. Wadda was reacting to massive dismissals in the Gambia around that time in 2001.
But i am not sure if any of Jammeh's advisers understood the diplomatic message being sent. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 02 Aug 2007 : 19:17:17
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| When some people insist on advising others to go and work or establish a project in Gambia in this hostile atmosphere, they sound as though all is OK. In a Gambia where Yahya refuses to respect even the POST OF PRESIDENT (to be explained), it is self deceit to take the risk of any venture where Yahya Jammeh remains operating this brutal system. He disrespects the post of president to an extent that instead of declaring development projects as coming from government or the president's office, he goes as it is from president Yahya Jammeh. That is misleading. Not only that, any initiatives not open to political manipulation are seen and targeted as underground movement aimed at challenging Yahya Jammeh's authority. It is therefore unwise for any Gambian to risk personal resources in seeking to settle under this brutal atmosphere. Those of you who encourage others need to think better. What happens if things go wrong. You sound like Waa Juwara calling on Pa Nderry Mbai and all political fugitives to return with the fool's hope that nothing happens to them. Gambia has the potential to regain the track to recovery but not so long as Yahya Jammeh stays. He's got to go and let more serious people take on the real nation building. Currently, Yahya is sitting on covering his crimes and will do all he is able to do just to keep on covering. All his projects are faked on self perpetration tricks. |
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Edited by - Karamba on 02 Aug 2007 23:22:27 |
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ylowe
USA
217 Posts |
Posted - 03 Aug 2007 : 02:02:05
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Originally posted by AlhassanYlowe,
For the interlectuals they must creat the incentives as there is a need. If not who shall?
The enviroment is cordial to all Gambians. If you have done something to get afraid of then it is not the fault of Gambia but yours. Those with socalled political reasons are just faking. Most of them wanted staying permits in Europe and the US. They were not there when the military took over. The said proffesors and scientists should create the inviroment because they have the knowledge. There are those whom Gambia paid for their education.The problem here is most of them underate Jammeh because he is the persent head of state and just a high school product. The complex is there. Forget the complx and work for Gambia.
I do not expect things from Gambia but Gambia does except contribution from me. This is how I see the problem.
There are many ngos operating without the interferance of the government.
What do you think?
For the scientists and professors to return things will really have to change my brother. If you follow events happening in the Gambia you dont need to be a rocket scientist to figure out that people's rights are violated frequently and that needs to change.
NGOS operating without interferences is wonderful and if you are part of it thumps up for you. |
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 03 Aug 2007 : 10:00:43
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kondorong,
I for one cannot just take another persons problem to be mine without knowledge of what it is about. I must know what the problem is before I can decide on whos side I am. The rest you have to decide for yourself. You cannot take us all as part of your problem when we are not involved. We have to know the consiquence of what we do or say before doing or saying it. All I know is we have different opinions about Gambia and have different apporch. We can give suggestions but it is up to every individual to accept it or not. There are other proffessors back home without problems with the government.
I never knew that Abdoulaye Wadda comes to Abuko for the Annual Tobaski Ram Competion. |
Edited by - Alhassan on 03 Aug 2007 10:05:50 |
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dbaldeh
USA
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Posted - 03 Aug 2007 : 10:36:16
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Kon, is right again, It shouldn't be about what I can do as an individual. This is where we all miss the opportunity to put together our talent and resouces to make a differences.
I strongly back the NGO proposal, but I think we can establish NGOs without having to go back to Gambia and be caught up with endless greed and political interference.
Karamba is very right, the political environment is not the most welcoming. To say the environment is ok for people to go back and set up their NGOs is to deny the facts on the ground.
I honestly think, when we rally behind each other in the Diaspora and create strong organizations, we can do a better job at home. Please remember we need to resources to continue to flow to be able to sustain any projects.
Take a physical example, say a strong organization in Sweden, Denmark, Germany, U.S, London and just to mention a few. If these organizations are able to sponsor individual schools or Hospitals by purchasing INCUBATORS, LIBRARY SUPPLIES, AGRICULTURAL TOOLS, Etc. Etc. we can literally change things without causing any our physical presents as threat to the government.
There are already Charitable institutions in the Gambia who can handle such projects. Besides many of us go back and fort every once in a while and we can make it a point of duty to engage in such projects.
No matter what we do, we have to do it collectively otherwise we get bugg down and lose interest. If I take an individual project to Gambia, my family and extended family would want to have a stage in it. However, if we have a collective project with no names associated with them, no one will claim onwership.
For Sister Sibo, I am sorry to hear that your friend wanted to sacrifice to help but was not given the opportunity. There are several stories like that. They basically see you as a threat because several of them did not get the privilleges they are enjoying now. Therefore, it is at their selfish interest to keep us away so we don't interfere with their fortunes. This is certainly the only reason Jammeh and his group will try to keep patriotic Gambians from returning home. I wish God will put some sense in him JAMMEH... |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
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Sibo
Denmark
231 Posts |
Posted - 03 Aug 2007 : 11:09:03
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I don´´t think we should let Jammeh get n our way if we wnna contribute to our country. I know that the enviroment in gambia is not the best at the moment, but if we want things to change for better we have to make an efford. If we let Jammeh discourage us, the change will never come.
Baldeh: It´s a good idea to bring strong gambian associations together to help back home, but the problem is Gambians for some reason find it difficult to unite or even anfree on small things. I know that the association in Denmark is no strong at all. I use to go to the meetings but I stopped. The members do not listen to each other and everybody wanna be incharge and they bring their personal vandettas against each other to those meetings. I thougt that was wrong and they never give us, the younger generation a chance to come with our input. So to be able to have these associations to hepl, we would have to unite first and put our personal interest aside and make the interest of the people who need our help a priority. |
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 03 Aug 2007 : 11:19:31
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Sibo,
You have given a clear picture of the Gambians in the diaspora. The situation is similar in Sweden but different in some ways. There is too much of language differens between people as I have found out in Stockholm.Even withn the muslim community. The Wollof s have their own socalled GAMO and the Mandinka their own. In Stockholm we have an Imam from the Gambia employed and sent by Saudi, but how many Gambians regards this brother as the Saudis do? Some even challange him because he is not the type who follows sekts. A very simple muslim. The Mandinkas and Wollofs have different organisation. The Fullas and Sonninke too have their own.
Then how can these people develop Gambia if they are not together? |
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 03 Aug 2007 : 11:29:51
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dbaldeh,
I hope there will be no secondhand equipment that does not function well or gets spoiled easily. You people who have problems with Jammeh can deal with him and not involve others. All of the politicians in the diaspora can do as PDOIS. Do you mean to tell me that PDOIS have no interlectuals? They have and are operating in the Gambia as a political party. We can always do things in civilised ways.Jammeh and his group has not discouraged patriotic Gambians from returning home. If you return with a gun then it is problem because he was installed by the gun. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 03 Aug 2007 : 19:03:06
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Generally, it is Jammeh that has problem with people and that turns to people having problems with him. This was a country with an established culture of co-existence. When Jammeh robbed the country off our vital elements, he still expects us to accept whatever wrong he subsequently does (and there are many.) He is, in that process creating number of perceived and real enemies all about. He needs to recover from his lost sense of Gambia being his personal establishment. That is not constitutional. It is also very abnormal. He is the one creating problem for himself in all regards. Because he creates a problem mind in a problem environment, the impact is felt by those having to deal with Gambia. Again, Yahya can make sense of himself by accepting that even if heaven is to prevail on earth for Gambia and Gambians, that is not a personal task for him, no matter how much he claims loving Gambia more than anyone does. Because Yahya refuses to be cured of this mental defect, it is impossible to have meaningful and lasting peace in Gambia while he clings to that seat with force, violence, and agression. |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 03 Aug 2007 : 19:41:40
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Originally posted by Alhassan
kondorong,
I never knew that Abdoulaye Wadda comes to Abuko for the Annual Tobaski Ram Competion.
Wadda was there i 2001 and never attended since.
Which professors are in the Gambia today? Well i saw one on TV who is a lecturre at the University/College and has AIDS and claims to have been cured by the President of the disease.
Those are the kind of intellectuals we have today. Those who when asked to jump only ask how high. They dont ask why. If a University/College lecturer can claim to have been cured of AIDS, then Alhassan, i am not proud of those intellectuals you claim to be working fine at home. This is what you said
"There are other proffessors back home without problems with the government"
Did you ask Dr. Sedat Jobe why he left office. I was there when he resigned and saw him fuming at the messenger for not taking his resignation letter to statehouse while some politicians were negotiating with him not to.
Did you find out why Dr. Jah and many others left?
You see lets not play musical chair with serious issues. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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ylowe
USA
217 Posts |
Posted - 03 Aug 2007 : 22:00:51
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| Kondorong, please tell us including ALHASSAN why Dr. Jobe AND jah left? |
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
1350 Posts |
Posted - 03 Aug 2007 : 22:47:49
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Sibo/Baldeh,
I agree with you 100%.But I also think this is not only Gambians in the diaspora but even back home.
You see helping Gambia develop is not helping Jammeh or anyone but one's self.If all are discouraged,eventually it would be and individual problem with families back home pleading on their sons and daughters abroad to help and as that develops it becomes a national danger.
Jammeh does not care and we all know any voice raised at home about his way of rule, would be accused of trying to overthrow the government and put seven feet.
Some of our men who are close to the president trying everything possible to feed us with informations would sometimes tell you that the man is really frustrated.The Gambia is a failed state under Jammeh and he is always looking for scape-goat
I think one should read Musa Drammeh's letter to the president on the freedom news paper.
According to this ex-soldier,Gambia is now a state run and maintained by lies lies lies opon lies.
It is only when you can lie better or become a hypocrete then you can hold important position otherwise once you try to dedicate your self to nation building without through the NAME OF YAYA JAMMEH,then you looking for trouble. |
Edited by - Janyanfara on 03 Aug 2007 22:54:19 |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 03 Aug 2007 : 23:33:02
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Originally posted by ylowe
Kondorong, please tell us including ALHASSAN why Dr. Jobe AND jah left?
I happen to pass by looking for some magic water when i found the office on fire with staff peeping out of their offices whilst the diplomatic mill grounded to a halt. Men and women dressed in green pacing up and down the stairs negotiating.
For once, i saw someone angry and ready to show it. It was for me, like the whole myth went falling down like when a string of beads is cut. Much like what Chinua Achebe calls:
Things fall apart
The center cannot hold
Mere anarchy is loose upon the world
For once, i jumped in the air like Okonkwo did hopeful of the future in appeasing the ancestors.
That was something. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 03 Aug 2007 : 23:53:44
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Janyanfara,
I can understand your worries about the need for extending help to Gambians in a collective drive. That is quite a good intention. Unfortunately, it is not feasible under these hard conditions imposed by Jammeh. The good efforts by well meaning Gambians in seeing to Jammeh's eventual exit is what is most immediately needed. Let that take whatever time, it worths the while. What remains of Jammeh is more destruction. If you ever risk your resources (mind, material, and money power) to start anything in present day Gambia, that is waste and nothing. The evidence is produced in your previous posting. The experience of Sibo's nursing friend is also another case in view. Better not try anything apart from subscribing to Jammeh's extinction. The letter to Jammeh by ex-army, Musa Drammeh in Freedom is an interesting read. Apart from those who still believe others are joking, majority of Gambians feel seriously offended by Jammeh's arrogance. It is not a matter of personal grudge. This is the big picture of Gambia under Jammeh.
http://www.freedomnewspaper.com/Homepage/tabid/36/mid/367/newsid367/2166/Open-Letter-to-President-Yahya-Jammeh--Ex-Gambian-Soldier-writes/Default.aspx |
Karamba |
Edited by - Karamba on 04 Aug 2007 00:11:28 |
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