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Karamba
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 30 Jul 2007 : 20:36:00
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Mansasulu,
Are you also quenched with a full dose of the banana and saw-dust concoction? If only you drive your thinking energy progressively by focusing on THE ISSUE and less about me, him, and them, you are are better off. All these wild speculations about me being a Jawara or PPP upper hand is not taking you an inch near a soluttion. In all my postings, I have never mentioned Jawara except when it came up as part of this issue at hand. The question is, does Jammeh have any moral purpose for killing and maiming peace-loving Gambians. Do you want to conclude that anyone against Jammeh is equally for Jawara? Where is that reasoning hinged on? Is Gambia divided between Jawara and Jammeh? Can you justify anyone killing innocent persons for self perpetration? Give that name Jammeh, Mansasulu, Bokassa, and whatever you choose. It is just not right for anyone to kill for selfish political desire. Are you telling the world that you also stand by a killer president? I can see you run out of energy if all that you seek to know is who I am. That is not relevant here. Pay attention on the issues and not the persons. We mention Jammeh, Jawara, and others as they become part of issues and not because of their nice faces. Can you reserve some energy for DISCOVERING THE USEFUL TRUTH ABOUT MATTERS AT HAND? |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jul 2007 : 21:40:01
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If people address issues rather than personality, then there would not be any need to preach civility. Jammeh has been called names which he definitely does not deserve. People are hiding behind Jammehs short-coming to wage war on his person. Yet forgeting how Jammeh came to the scene. It was a dire need that led to the use of illegal means to arrive at a legitimate destination.
PPP denied us education, better communication, better amenities, yet people are here defending them.
My problem is Jammeh has short-comings and i have called for the need to change the gov't NOT OUT OF MALICE. I feel that Jammeh and his group are almost at the finish , ran out of ideas. So its better for another person with better ideas to continue frm where Jammeh left off. Some postings are provocative, and they will get the replies they deserve. That would-be new gov't would certainly not be a re-incarnation of APRC or PPP in disguise. The conscious Gambians who have seen both days as adult and not toddlers who have been brain-washed in beleiving that Jammeh wrecked the paradise that Gambia was under Jawara, will certainly be able to vote in credible people to run the affairs of this country.
People were killed in 1981, tortured, held incoommunicado for yrs without trial. Who was calling the shots? Jawara was in the know. Where is the democrat in him? When Saikou Sabally was found wanting in his case versus Sanna Manneh(Ticks) what did Jawara do? As if to malign the Gambian people he promoted him. Sanna was lured into a Malaysian award by Saikou Sabally to get murdered in Malaysia becos of his outspokeness and the shame he brought Saikou Sabally and others. A certain Mr. Sohna was the secretary to Scholarship Board then. He knows everything about the saga. So Jammeh is the killer?
When Momodou Dibba of co-ops was found wanting wat happened? Nothing! I was in court wen he was grilled by late Justice Wallace Grant.
Former Tourism Minister James Alkali Gaye has a personal friend who as a teacher beat a student to death. The guy was an alcholic. Wat happened? The guy was brought down to the kombos. He was later appointed in GPTC because of the ties of James and the then boss of GPTC, Ismaila Ceesay.
After the coup in 1981, foregn aid started flooding, these selfish people diverted most of the cash and kind. The man in-charged was Ebou Taal. What happened? He went to jail for two yrs later freed and asked to enjoy his loot. These same people jailed a respected man of God, late sheikh Hatab Bojang of kombo Gunjur, becos he dared to challenge their loot, especially the ones that came thru his Saudi connexion. This man of God was subjected to harsh condition in jail. When released the man barely live for four months and died. Who killed him? the PPP.
You see lets leave it here. There are people out there making noise, they were babies wen the PPP was at the height of its miserable rule.
Mansasuluu thanks for the great input. |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 30 Jul 2007 : 22:36:34
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Originally posted by MADIBA
People were killed in 1981, tortured, held incoommunicado for yrs without trial. Who was calling the shots? Jawara was in the know. Where is the democrat in him? When Saikou Sabally was found wanting in his case versus Sanna Manneh(Ticks) what did Jawara do? As if to malign the Gambian people he promoted him. Sanna was lured into a Malaysian award by Saikou Sabally to get murdered in Malaysia becos of his outspokeness and the shame he brought Saikou Sabally and others. A certain Mr. Sohna was the secretary to Scholarship Board then. He knows everything about the saga. So Jammeh is the killer?
When Momodou Dibba of co-ops was found wanting wat happened? Nothing! I was in court wen he was grilled by late Justice Wallace Grant.
Former Tourism Minister James Alkali Gaye has a personal friend who as a teacher beat a student to death. The guy was an alcholic. Wat happened? The guy was brought down to the kombos. He was later appointed in GPTC because of the ties of James and the then boss of GPTC, Ismaila Ceesay.
After the coup in 1981, foregn aid started flooding, these selfish people diverted most of the cash and kind. The man in-charged was Ebou Taal. What happened? He went to jail for two yrs later freed and asked to enjoy his loot. These same people jailed a respected man of God, late sheikh Hatab Bojang of kombo Gunjur, becos he dared to challenge their loot, especially the ones that came thru his Saudi connexion. This man of God was subjected to harsh condition in jail. When released the man barely live for four months and died. Who killed him? the PPP.
You see lets leave it here. There are people out there making noise, they were babies wen the PPP was at the height of its miserable rule.
Mansasuluu thanks for the great input.
Lets look at your posting.
If Hatab died four months after his imprisonment, that does not make his jailers murders. Unless an utopsy was carried out that he died of injuries sustained in priosn, anything is a just a mere speculation. He died outside of prison and not in prison. Are you saying that if anyone was jailed and released and later died in life, he was still killed by the jailers. You are definitely very funny sometimes.
In the case of Sanna Manneh, i am not aware of the fact that the courts found Saikou Sabally guilty. If you have, then thats news to me. If you believe in due process, then we must assume that people are innocent until proven guilty. To be a true democract you MUST HAVE FAITH IN THE JUDICIAL PROCESS.
As for the scholarship saga for him to be killed in malaysia, that is also quite news to me. I know sohna at the scholarship board; a very short man. To say he(shona) knows something about that is to make him an accomplice in the attempetd killing of Sana manneh which is also news as of today. I think this should be reported to the Police and Sabally should be tried including Sohan for the new offence.
Well in the case Ebou Taal, he served his termed in jail and personally i believe that if some has served his term in jail, he should not be punished twice for the same crime. It would have a different story if he did not have his day in court. However, even if he was let free by the courts, that should not mean we should exercise mob justice on him. The courts are charged with determining guilt or innocence. Personal intentions have no bearing in judicial dispensation.
I am disappointed that you do not trust judicial process and still believe that people who served their term for crimes committed should still be punished. The man committed a crime and paid for his acts against the gambian people. Did you feel his jail term was too short. Well Judges do not legislate. Taht is left to the National Assembly to come up with laws. Judges dispense based on the laws put before them.
In the 2000 elections in the US Al Gore was one day Chairing a Senate session when some members were complaining of the Supreme Court ruling in favour of Bush. The man stood up and said that the Courts had spoken and they need to respect it. I hear many shouting for democracy, but few who would adhere to its principles if they were in office. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30 Jul 2007 : 22:39:08
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| Where on mother earth is that coming from? Defending Jawara? Not me. The issue at hand is about a coup that turns to be a rampant killer of people. About Ebou Taal !!! Is that different from the Ebou Taal who now serves APRC? Who was Jahumpa/Ceesay calling Mama at the the State House? Let us separate grain from chaff. Take for granted that the whole wide world acceptes Jawara as failed leader for 30 years, does that give Jammeh licence to kill? Where is all this going? |
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mansasulu
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Posted - 30 Jul 2007 : 22:57:20
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| I wonder if you see Jammeh in your dreams. Gosh the man has really rattled your nerves. He may have power but he is not that important so quit wasting valuable energy and time on a nonentity |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jul 2007 : 23:08:49
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Konds so you find me or my postings funny?
I am indeed serious. Thats why i never wanted to go deep into these things, i may unearth certain things that are already known in some quarters who would rather get them sealed.These inner revelations may hurt innocent people who by virtue of family ties be humiliated.
I rest my case once again.
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jul 2007 : 00:09:20
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Mansasulu
How many times do you have to be reminded that Jammeh is not the issue? He happens to be big part of the issue. Why will anyone go so low as dreaming about Jammeh? Come on, fellow, grow up. |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jul 2007 : 00:31:54
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Originally posted by MADIBA
I rest my case once again.
Dont rest your case yet
The journey has not started. Welcome to Sarahule court |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jul 2007 : 01:06:07
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Originally posted by kondorong
Dont rest your case yet
The journey has not started. Welcome to Sarahule court
I will make sure that i shout at the top of my voice, cos am told in a serahule court is a male exhibition. In this exhibition, any man whose voice is not heard by the women folk will be rebuked for not being man enough for his voice to be heard amongst the men by his wife.
But anyway allow me to rest my case. It is becoming too hot to handle,though it could be also too cold for comfort. |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jul 2007 : 01:16:22
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| How did you know all these about Sarahule men? |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jul 2007 : 01:23:58
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How did you know all these about Sarahule men?
So you want to know my source to counter the future assaults. No way. Remember as you were teacher , so did i teach too and trekked the provinces too. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jul 2007 : 12:06:06
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Thanks for the extra-hot exchanges. In my opinion there are baseless, serious and outrageous allegations, lack of focus, senseless, stupid, wreckless remarks, weak arguments, brutality and civil war declarationsblurred by evil minds and misrepresentations of the DARK PERIODS, FAILURES AND POLITICAL HALLMARKS OF THE JAWARA ERA!. The Point editorial have done justice to the interview and its very INSPIRING FOR PEACE AND FURTHER PROGRESS FOR THE GAMBIA OUR HOMELAND.
However, am not impressed by dbaldeh's arguments and worst is Madiba.
dbaldeh introduced this topic and picked some statements from the interview for comments and started swaying us over and over again on baseless allegations, political theories and tangems. I would have delt with most of your allegations but my focus in on the write-up I have started on OUR NATIONAL ASSETS, PROJECTS AND INFRASTRUCTURES under the STEWARSHIP BETWEEN JAWARA'S ADMINISTRATION AND JAMMEH'S ADMINISTRATION.
Madiba became lost in the bush became rage and made outrageous declarations three times. Who would have been your victims blacklisted to be shot openly as you claimed . You are responsible for your statements and actions and likewise Jammeh is responsible for his own DEEDS! Reference to some of your opinions are no immunity to guarantee you sanity or justification for your CALLOUSNESS. Is the nation a private property now or A GOVERNMENT AND STATE IS NON-EXISTENCE FOR ITS CITIZENS?.
Lets get on to address NATIONAL ISSUES rather than depicting FALSE SCENARIOS AND PERSONAL GRATIFICATIONS!!! Many thanks to Janyafara. Karamba and Kondorong for setting the records straight. We want to hear the FACTS, EVIDENCES AND PROPER SOURCES OF INFORMATION to enable us form genuine conclusions and built on the structures for further PEACE, PROGRESS AND STABILTY FOR THE GAMBIA OUR HOMELAND!
Now am more that clear to prgress with that write-up for the critics who want to make 30years of JAWARA's rule redundant!. I HAVE VALID FACTS AND RELIABLE SOURCES OF INMFORMATION NOW TO SUBSTANTIATE THEM TO SET THE RECORDS STRAIGHT, VERIFIABLE FROM NATIONAL RECORDS.
C.U.later!
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jul 2007 : 14:05:37
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KOBO, you are not worth my reply on this issue again. I have said wat i had to say for those who are not suffering hate-fever.
All you have been doing on this bantaba is bombarding us wit BIG, EMPTY rhetoric. Believe wat you want. The Gambia belongs us The Gambians. I will never cease to stop any vainglorification here abt a failed leadership be Jawara or Jammeh.
Have a good day. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jul 2007 : 15:53:19
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Originally posted by MADIBA
KOBO, you are not worth my reply on this issue again. I have said wat i had to say for those who are not suffering hate-fever.
All you have been doing on this bantaba is bombarding us wit BIG, EMPTY rhetoric. Believe wat you want. The Gambia belongs us The Gambians. I will never cease to stop any vainglorification here abt a failed leadership be Jawara or Jammeh.
Have a good day.
Not please, "Believe wat you want."We are on lively interactive vibrant exchanges, discussions, exercising our freedoms of opinions and expressions of diversity, addressing isues, information sharing, seeking solutions to problems; for leisure, education and public consumption under an open atmosphere (Bantaba forums).
The Gambia belong to all of us and NONE SHOULD TAKE THE LAW IN ITS OWN HANDS FOR MOB JUSTICE!
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Originally posted by MADIBA
Dalton1 i have calculated it very well. Its not right for me to call those people beasts and threaten to have them shot, but its ok for people to insult Jammeh and others in the most appalling way. It is also ok for people to insult others and even go beyond them to their parents? Look my brother i know exactly wat am saying. I have no guns, no weapon to carry that out now and in future. Wat i said was, if I was a Soldier before 1994, came the coup i would have done that.
Well until you are seconded on your motion for people to condemn, i still maintain my stance. No worries, no regrets.
I would condemn your irresponsible intentions (that never be and shall never be!) and second Dalton 1 motion for an apology and express remorse on certain statements considered wreckless and not fit for public consumption for ethical reasons, peace, tranquility, progress AND FORWARD THE GAMBIA OUR HOMELAND!
I do appreciate your acknowledgement about THE UNIVERSITY PROGRAM on my write-up on the DEVELOPMENT. PROGRAMS, PROJECTS AND INFRASTRUCTURES (OUR NATIONAL ASSETS) as quoted;
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Originally posted by MADIBA
Kobo,..............For the records, the University Of The Gambia only existed in file, which was a confidential file. I have had accessed to that file in my course of work.
More later!
Thanks and have a nice day too! |
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mansasulu
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Posted - 31 Jul 2007 : 17:47:30
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| Since when has the truth and someone's opinion become irresponsible. More has been said about Jammeh and other people on this board and they were not irrepsonsible. It is rather ironic that we seem to apply double standards to ideas we cant stomach. This is the beauty of Bantaba that we are seeming the motives and true colors of people. All of us will not toe the line because there is no line to toe. Lets have an open debate instead of condemning other peoples opinions. If we cant all read the ideas of each other without attempting to make a storm out of a tea cup we will be better off. What happen to let free speech reign? It is free speech if it comes from you but "irresponsible and condemned" if it comes from someone else. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
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