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kondorong
Gambia
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 Posted - 23 Jul 2007 : 21:56:39
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Originally posted by bread man
Well, Kons, prosecutor are to prove you guilty, and until they do you are innocent. My friend democracy itself is charming and its finess is what attracts all of us here. Lets us follow the democratic DNA atleast in this forum.
Sure i like democracy and it looks like the only best out there. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jul 2007 : 22:05:46
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Not all the infrastructural development is a total farce. The good roads are necessary input for the timely transportation of produce and people which are vital for developing economy. The issue of classrooms have more to it than wat many think. Most of the funds provided for the building of the classrooms/teacher training at the college/staff(ministry) training were provided by IDA of the World Bank. Jammeh doesn't know anything educational planning ,although he may claim he has knowledge in that too Qualified personnel at DoSE and DoSFEA worked out the details for such loans and their implementations should have done the Gambian people justice by going out for wats best for us. I treated this in past here. When the Bank(WB) suggested to gov't via DoSE that the intake at Gambia College had to be increased as a requirement of the loan. Did the gov't thru its rep DoSE think of sustainability(provision of full boarding to these students)? They came wit a phony regime of 1yr in-campus and 2yrs out in the field tailor make the prg to suit the WB. Neither did they consider Quality which is important pillar of the New Education Policy. This has greatly affected the quality of the teachers coming out of college. In addition in original plans of the 3rd education sector project financed by WB, quarters would be built in the provinces for the staff, which was not fully honoured. The reason i dnt know. These schools built are not bad in their entirety.
So as i always said Jammeh is NOT ALONE in this mess. Some of our technocrats also failed us. They were supposed to be the eyes of the APRC gov't and the brains. If they are unhappy wit the status quo let them leave but not further help Jammeh and his APRC mess the country.
The issue of the Arch 22, whose fault do you think it is? Jammeh again? No!! Amadou Samba( a Gambian) whose company built it should have never compromised the quality of the structure. Even where the planners made the mistake in not forseeing that it was not economically viable. This same Samba built the airport for a staggering sum of D100 milllion( stand to be corrected). One could see in this Jammeh trying to promote local firms . But at the end of the day these selfish entrepreneurs are worse than Jammeh in compounding the suffering of Gambians.
Attitudinal change and honesty is wat we need. Even post Jammeh and APRC if we dnt change our attitudes of AM FINE WHO CARES, HE/SHE IS A RELATIVE SO HE/SHE CAN'T BE WRONG, HE/SHE IS WORKING WIT JAMMEH SO ITS OK our people will continue to suffer. The day these people fall out wit Jammeh, thats the time we hear the loudest noises. |
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Edited by - MADIBA on 23 Jul 2007 22:10:45 |
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mansasulu
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Posted - 23 Jul 2007 : 22:18:41
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There is a saying that if you are lost, you retrace your footsteps to where you came from. The bottom line and the overarching question is that were we better off now or prior to July 22, 1994? In my opinion, we were not better of in either period. We as a nation can certainly do better. Since, independence we have enjoyed relative peace and security compared to many nations in Africa.
With that said, I believe we as Gambians have been so passive that change and development will take forever to come. Prior to Jammeh, many were fed up with Jawara and so he was naturally a breath of fresh air to the masses. Now, its been 13 years, I hope we dont wait for a similar intervention from the military to save us from ourselves again. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 23 Jul 2007 : 23:20:41
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Madiba
I am not pasing balme to anyone. I was trying to explain what developement means and its realtionship to absorptive capacity.
Well Jammeh may not be responsible for all the blames, but the buck must stop somewhere. As leader, he is easily seen as the "lender of last resort" if i may borrow some economic terms.
As for the class rooms, its true we have many built, but do we have the right resources in the schools to produce a critical mass to leap us into the future? Almost all of these schools lack a descent library let alone a working physics or chemistry lab. Yet we are drumming on Vision 2020 and now a Silicon Valley. Its one thing building classrooms but ist another sustaining a school.
What we now see is many half baked graduates who offer very little to the gambian economy in terms of skills and no wonder the Canaries has become an attracting place to go to. In the just ended exams, i believe half of the students failed woefully.
The resultant effcet is that many private schools have sprung up to provide an alternative to the poor education in public schools. To get my son to a Nursery school in Kotu, i had to register him 2 years before his due date otherwise there will be no space for him. Average cost of private schools are atleast 4 times that of public schools yet the demand is still there.
Many of the public schools have very low census especially in the provinces because standards are low. Lets put politics aside. We need to revisist the education policy and do our best to avoid the many mistakes.
I can bet my nose that non of the policy planners have their children in the public schools they designed for us yet they keep hammering that Vision 2020 can be achieved. Certainly not with the calibre of students graduating from Yoro Bawol who have no access to electricity let alone participate in the Silicon Valley.
The danger is that half education is more dangerous than no education at all. No wonder, you have a mass supply of green boys who think they know, but infcat are political pawns at the mercy of the storms of the high seas with no destination in mind and no oars to withstand the hurricanes.
My first recommendtion to the President would be that all the policy planners should have their children in public schools including his own daughter, Baby Jammeh. Thats the only way standards will be improved.
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jul 2007 : 00:07:54
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Madiba
When you always go back and edit your postings, it makes it hard for discussions to flow. You added almost two paragraphs to the earlier posts. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jul 2007 : 00:18:06
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Originally posted by kondorong
Madiba
When you always go back and edit your postings, it makes it hard for discussions to flow. You added almost two paragraphs to the earlier posts.
Konds you are sleeping! I just corrected one or two typographical errors. Didn't you have ur CHUROO? |
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Edited by - MADIBA on 24 Jul 2007 00:19:50 |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 24 Jul 2007 : 00:28:58
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| To stop fooling ourselves the way as Jammeh does, let us settle on this arrow of blame. With the sharpest focus, the blame points to ONLY ONE PERSON - Yahya Jammeh. All other players are seeking to please Jammeh. He dictates and and they all try to shape according to his design just as water takes the shape of anything that contains it. Fill a given quantity of water in a round bottle, the water rises to how the bottle is shaped. Pour the same quantity on a plate and see what shape you have. Those of you familiar with processes, can you share an experience as to whether any of these projects (White Elephants) have been subjected to competent scrutiny and sound feasibility studies? From the look of things, it is all done because Yahya fools the population to believe that he is BRINGING DEVELOPMENT TO GAMBIA in a jungle republic. What CONCRETE JUNGLE!!!! To correct this damage, all those with information about the project documentation preceding these white elephant projects will do Gambians a duty by sharing both process and output with the population. Without that we safely settle the arrow of blame pointing to nobody here but Yahya Jammeh. There is no shared responsibility on this account. Yahya is 100% responsible. To question his deceit would land any technocrat in deep soup. |
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Edited by - Karamba on 24 Jul 2007 02:15:18 |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jul 2007 : 01:05:25
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Originally posted by MADIBA
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Originally posted by kondorong
Madiba
When you always go back and edit your postings, it makes it hard for discussions to flow. You added almost two paragraphs to the earlier posts.
Konds you are sleeping! I just corrected one or two typographical errors. Didn't you have ur CHUROO?
I did not have CHUROO today but i sure will have one 2moro morning.
Karamba
Thats what i was trying to say. The buck must stop somewhere and we need to know how the tenders went. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jul 2007 : 16:15:24
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Originally posted by Karamba
To stop fooling ourselves the way as Jammeh does, let us settle on this arrow of blame. With the sharpest focus, the blame points to ONLY ONE PERSON - Yahya Jammeh. All other players are seeking to please Jammeh. He dictates and and they all try to shape according to his design just as water takes the shape of anything that contains it. Fill a given quantity of water in a round bottle, the water rises to how the bottle is shaped. Pour the same quantity on a plate and see what shape you have. Those of you familiar with processes, can you share an experience as to whether any of these projects (White Elephants) have been subjected to competent scrutiny and sound feasibility studies? From the look of things, it is all done because Yahya fools the population to believe that he is BRINGING DEVELOPMENT TO GAMBIA in a jungle republic. What CONCRETE JUNGLE!!!! To correct this damage, all those with information about the project documentation preceding these white elephant projects will do Gambians a duty by sharing both process and output with the population. Without that we safely settle the arrow of blame pointing to nobody here but Yahya Jammeh. There is no shared responsibility on this account. Yahya is 100% responsible. To question his deceit would land any technocrat in deep soup.
Karamba, those other players you mentioned , to whom should they owe allegiance to? Jammeh or State? |
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Edited by - MADIBA on 24 Jul 2007 16:16:11 |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jul 2007 : 17:44:20
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Madiba,
The other players are not even fit for reserves. They are docile, obedient servants of Jammeh's dictates. Their best role is to AGREE only, no debates, no views. When this topic was posted, it was not anticipated that Jammeh will ever confess he is in fact a DICTATOR. During his celebration speech, he confessed in his own words that he is a DICTATOR OF DEVELOPMENT. Will that be enough to confirm for anyone else who would have termed as mere assumption (attention of Bread Man.) Now that Jammeh confirmed in broad day light that he is the one dictating developments in Gambia, what more? Ranging from the Vice President to the last messenger, everyone is only serving as goal posts for Jammeh to score his deceptive schemes. He is taking advantage of governmental infrastructure (super structure of the administration) to call it a GOVERNMENT. In real fact, we have no government in Jammeh's Gambia. We have Jammeh. The evidence is that it is Jammeh who PROVIDES and not government. Everything is called, Jammeh's development; a development process he now declared, he is the supreme dictator.
See this link too: http://www.thepoint.gm/headlines2154.htm |
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bread man
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Posted - 24 Jul 2007 : 20:44:34
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| "Dictator of development my brother" was what he said. He is not speaking portogese here, but English. He did not say dictator of The Gambian people!!!! Am I ringing a bell here??? |
It is the mark of intelligence to entertain an idea without accepting it. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jul 2007 : 21:07:39
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Bread Man
In the vocabulary of development experts, the word DICTATOR will appear under new headings. Perhaps Jammeh is a new breed of DEVELOPMENT DICTATORS, if the Queen permits inserting that for the Commonwealth. |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jul 2007 : 21:46:58
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| Lets call Shakespeare to to be the judge. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jul 2007 : 23:43:55
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Originally posted by kondorong
Lets call Shakespeare to to be the judge.
Lets send you down or Karamba can go for himself. |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jul 2007 : 00:07:55
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Originally posted by MADIBA
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Originally posted by kondorong
Lets call Shakespeare to to be the judge.
Lets send you down or Karamba can go for himself.
I am not going. I have not enjoyed anything yet |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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