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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
 Posted - 22 Jul 2007 : 20:44:43
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We must not let this date pass go without responding to the evil and deception it represents in Gambian history. In the beginning, the Armed Robbers pronounced: "We are soldiers with a difference." Now we know what that difference is. They also echoed: "Transparency, Accountability and Probity." To mention these words in Gambia today, you risk being killed. That is because president Jammeh is the most dubious, and corrupt being presiding over a fragile Gambian economy. The Jammeh A(F)PRC regime emerged with white elephant projects just to enhance their ability to steal by project design and implementation. "I hate praises. Let nobody praise me",said Yahya Jammeh when he first robbed the nation's stability by an infamous coup. Soon afterwards, a school song was composed in his name (Jammeh Musa), a song he proudly amuses himself when the police band plays it during state functions. A false Asset Commission was staged to fool Gambians. It is now that we have more corruption and theft by president and his cronies than ever before. Plus the killings, do you all now see how much evil and deception July 22 means for us as a Gambia of decent peaceful citizens?
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bread man
300 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jul 2007 : 20:55:26
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| I wish I could see things in the negative way you see it, Brother Karamba, but because thats not a fact it´s only you that can see it. Jammeh, whether you like him or not has made a very possitive difference in the Gambia. Although he has failed in some. No matter what the bunch of opposition sympathizers say I will never accept that Jammeh is just a total nightmare for the Gambia. We should all celebrate 22nd july because it represents a part of The Gambian history, a history that was accepted by the Majority of The Gambians. We were so tired of Jawara that Jammeh was almost welcome by all. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jul 2007 : 21:48:49
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Bread Man,
If I agree to your claim about all the "cemented" and "glassed" infrastructure raised by Jammeh in the name of development since July 1994, will you also buy in for the inhuman suffering? Since this is a world of give and take, I will be fair enough to accept that Jammeh mounted countless number of physical infrastructure. Are we for a deal then, Bread Man? For some of the good Bantaba compatriots blessed with the skill of Accounting craft, a Balance Sheet of Gambia is helpful for the 1.5 million brothers and sisters to ascertain how much Asset and Liability these projects value. That will give us the NET WORTH of Gambia. |
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bread man
300 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jul 2007 : 22:18:01
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| Well, call it "cemented and glassed" infrastructures if you want, but we call it developement. Where were these infrastructures 30 years before Jammeh? They have being languishing on the excecutive office table at the Quadrangle. Now they are on the ground and we should appreciate that. And for the inhumane sufferings, I will just as I have always said evaluate the evidence when it is placed infront of me. As of now you are just speculating. |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 22 Jul 2007 : 23:44:10
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Originally posted by Karamba
Bread Man,
If I agree to your claim about all the "cemented" and "glassed" infrastructure raised by Jammeh in the name of development since July 1994, will you also buy in for the inhuman suffering? Since this is a world of give and take, I will be fair enough to accept that Jammeh mounted countless number of physical infrastructure. Are we for a deal then, Bread Man? For some of the good Bantaba compatriots blessed with the skill of Accounting craft, a Balance Sheet of Gambia is helpful for the 1.5 million brothers and sisters to ascertain how much Asset and Liability these projects value. That will give us the NET WORTH of Gambia.
karamba ,during my brief study of rastafarianism ,i came to apprecaite one key word or phrase in there dayly conversations. that is ''keep the fire burning''. those who accepted and wish to decieved let them continue in that vain .if development cannot be accompanied with good governance ,then in a million years i don't need that sort of development. if development cannot be sustainable ,i don't need that development .jawara and all his failures did provide some developments .but most them where not sustainable and similarly yahya is under taking many structural development projects ,but what gambians are failing to see ,what is the real cost to us ? ofcourse we all want advancement and wealth creation ,but this things shouldn't be done for mere politics .
development should be undertaken for long-term purposes and the citizens in whose name the development loans are taken should be respected and involved. but for some ,continue to deny the fact that yahya is brutalising a section of the population ,but when those being brutalise want to take revenge ,then shut up and find a place to hide. if we cannot speak the truth for all gambians then we should shut up for the sake of posterity.these where the sort issues which lead to the many instability in africa. we tend to be so blind with our support that ,we neglect the basic human principle ,if your neigbours house is on fire help him to put it out ,but to laugh at him is gross error.we shall see. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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patrick
Gambia
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Posted - 23 Jul 2007 : 04:04:01
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Breadman, I see your postings as a mockery to the general Gambian. I cannot believe that you are even a Gambian or if you are, I don't think you truly know what is happening in that country. Because if you do, you will not come out with the kind of stuff you write in this forum.
Please breadman; be fair to the general Gambian populace. Please put yourself in the effected family’s shoes and imagine how life would have been like if you were a driver earning under a D1200 and suppose to feed a family and pay school fees and cater for other costs, being it healthcare, travel costs and you name them.
How would you have felt if your son went to school and was gunned down by a trigger happy Jammeh shoulder at his command and given immunity for the killing? Please be fair to us and those who felt victim of such atrocities and tell this forum how would you truly have felt.
Breadman, development is not only building infrastructures but it could mean lot more than that. Building a sound economic base is more of a better development than the infrastructural developments you are sighting in this forum.
Please Mr Breadman, it is high time that we weigh things fairly and stop partisan politics.
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Sibo
Denmark
231 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jul 2007 : 08:40:57
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Sure Jammeh build schools, hospitals, roads and so on, but what good do they have when the people have no freedom????? People are afriad to speak their minds, afraid of their lives, there is no security at all. The army and the police who ae suppose to protect the people ae the ones abusing them, the people do not trust them. The most important of all are the innocent lives of the gambians that have been taken and still are bing taken. Nothing can compenciate a human life... Jammeh is nothing but phony,unreliable and dishonest and that kind o leaer is the last thing we need in gambia.
Bread man, it sounds to me like you are justifing what Jammeh is doing to gambians, am I right????? |
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Karl
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Posted - 23 Jul 2007 : 10:01:30
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| So much misconception on develpment from individuals like you breadman. |
"People who shut their eyes to reality simply invite their own destruction, and anyone who insists on remaining in a state of innocence long after that innocence is dead turns himself into a monster" J Baldwin |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 23 Jul 2007 : 18:37:09
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I think we should define developement. A country is considered under developed if its natural resources and technical competence of its people can no longer support it. Technonoly here is in terms of the human software(skills, education etc) and technical hardware(tecnonoligical advancement, inventons etc).
From this definiton, can we talk of our country being developed? The floor is open. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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bread man
300 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jul 2007 : 20:05:38
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| Oh oh oh, where is democracy in this forum? I am a free man with a free view and my view is that Jammeh is giving us what we were not given before. I am a Gambian from the bone and knows everything going on in The Gambia. I practically live there and work there. If Jammeh is guilty of these attrocities he is alleged to have commited, then justice will one day prevail. However, if he is innocent then justice will prevail even then. Now, we believe to live in a democratic society and that means Jammeh is innocent until proven guilty even if you people think that he does not accord that to Gambians. That is what is expected of democratically minded people like this forum guys. I beg to differ in view and live to say that I had a nice debate with people that commands very high moral and ethical standard. |
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GambianPatriot
USA
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Posted - 23 Jul 2007 : 20:07:19
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| The Gambia lacks the human capital for sustainable development. Granted there are thousands of very skilled Gambians plying their trade in the west, who if for some freak accident decide to return home could make a huge difference. The structural development that took place since July 22nd 1994 is not not sustainable and therein lies the problem for the July 22nd revolutionaries |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jul 2007 : 20:18:15
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Originally posted by bread man
However, if he is innocent then justice will prevail even then. Now, we believe to live in a democratic society and that means Jammeh is innocent until proven guilty even if you people think that he does not accord that to Gambians.
You see we are always reminded that people are innocent until proven guilty but my believe is that people are presumed guilty by authorties until proven innocent. Take for instance when someone is arrested and charged. The charge sheet indicates the crimes one committed and then you go to court to proof your innocence.
Why proof your innocence if you were presumed to be innocent in the first place. I think its a very convenient and charming phrase in a democracy but its hardly the case in real life. Its guilty until proven innocent. At least from the standpoint of the prosecution, one is guilty even before one goes to trial. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jul 2007 : 20:25:12
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Originally posted by GambianPatriot
The Gambia lacks the human capital for sustainable development. Granted there are thousands of very skilled Gambians plying their trade in the west, who if for some freak accident decide to return home could make a huge difference. The structural development that took place since July 22nd 1994 is not not sustainable and therein lies the problem for the July 22nd revolutionaries
Well i agree. Its what is called in developement studies as "Absoprtive Capacity".The structural developements pose big challanges in the ability of the economy to utilise it to the fullest thereby yielding economic returns for a multiplier effect.
Take for example the class rooms built. It cost money but to what extent is the economy making good use of the investments. Do we have enough and well trained teachers and an equal number of willing students to undergo rigorous academic training to produce the skilled workforce we need is a matter subject to debate. There is a big difference between a classroom and a school.
If investment is not utilised by the economy due largely to society's inability to take advantage of the circumstances, then such society lacks the absorptive capacity to leap forward.
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“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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bread man
300 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jul 2007 : 20:54:49
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| Well, Kons, prosecutor are to prove you guilty, and until they do you are innocent. My friend democracy itself is charming and its finess is what attracts all of us here. Lets us follow the democratic DNA atleast in this forum. |
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GambianPatriot
USA
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Posted - 23 Jul 2007 : 20:55:21
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| Many supporters of Yahyas government confuse infrastructural projects with sustainable development. They are right in pointing out that a lot of the former took place during his reign, but they should not be so dismissive of those who point out the latter to them. For without the latter the former will not last. Instead of castigating sustainable development advocates, the government and its supporters should institute policies that will bring them to the table. But in todays Gambia we keep talking past each other when we all mean well for the country. |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jul 2007 : 21:02:30
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Sustainable developement is quite often the casualty is policy planning in Africa and technology transfer should be made taking cognisance of the absorptive capactity of the intended users.
Thats partly why we cannot drive underneath the Arch, since its structurally not safe to sustain vibrations. However, did the planning phase take note of that and now causing drivers to take longer routes to enter banjul costing more petrol, delays and congestion in other streets. The intended revenue generation is yet to be achieved because no one found out if Gambians would mind going there and spend a few dalasis. It looks beautiful but i am reminded that a resource is only useful if it can be harnessed. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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