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Dalton1
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 Posted - 01 Aug 2007 : 15:15:59
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Kobo,
Points well noted. Feel free to be the author of part VIII.
Best regards,
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"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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Dalton1
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Posted - 01 Aug 2007 : 15:46:48
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Originally posted by Nyarikangbanna
Dalton, I think if you want this initiative to be taken seriously you and the likes of Dr Saine, who had done all that you could to smear credible opposition figures and parties in the run up to the last presidential election, should not even dream of coming close to the front desk much more signing off literatures as bona fide officials
Just my advice, and please don't invite me as I am, so far , neither impressed nor interested.
Thanks
Daffeh,
An invitation will never come from Yero or Saine. You invite or don't invite yourself, just like I invited myself. All those participating are doing it at will. It is a call of duty for decent-minded Gambians and the friends of the Gambia to converge to discuss the way forward regardless of their political differences. The general invitation is directed to all those interested, out in most media outlets. Whoever excludes him or herself, you took your chosen way, as an individual capable of taking his or her own part, just like the one butchering Gambians at home. Whoever invites him or her self, you choose your own part, just like the many interested are doing.
NB: For the records, In my life time, I never remember e-mailing you, caling your phone or even asking someone about SS Daffeh. If any extended a personalized message from me, please decline, because that doesn't represent me.
Your personal take on me or Saine, must in the spirit of this unity be addressed on a separate thread; not this one. But you of all Daffehs, with your known records in the forums you contributed dare utter the above? I will advice you to find something more worthy to engage in, or debate the issue at hand, or stop personalizing things that are neither associated with Yero,nor Saine, Mballow or any one else. If this is something you understand in basic communication, I welcome anyone's else further opinions and critique.
"Faa mann yawmal miskala jaratin, khairan yarah
Waa mann yawmal miskala jaratin, sar ran yarah"-Criterion.
Interpretes:
"What ever of good (equals to the weight of an atom) shall be your file; whatever of bad (equals to the weight of an atom) shall be your file."
Thank you for not making me a lonely contributor, any ways. Everyone's opinion counts, except the opinions that don't count.
For the Unity,
Yero.
Cc
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02 Aug 2007 : 17:44:16
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Yero, thanks for the response. I think you should appreciate the fact that you and Dr Saine had been a divisive figure all along, and that it is prudent, no matter how you two have reformed yourselves, that your past records stained by grotesque smearing and conspiracy, do not jeopardize genuine efforts of others towards realizing genuine unity for a better political way forward. This is just an advice and it is done in good faith. I am therefore surprised that you are taking offence to the extent of making a swipe against my person. That is not a problem though as I don't normally care about such behaviors but I will again suggest that you reconsider your position and ask the same of Dr Saine in order to give unity a chance to flourish for the common good of the opposition politics of the Gambia. You two should be behind a neutral leadership, giving them all the support and applauds they deserve in the spirit of unity, not otherwise.
I remember when Ebou14th asked Bambalaye to join him to spearhead a unity call, the latter rejected the offer on the basis that he had, on numerous occasions, publicly made adverse remarks against a certain major opposition party which he implied, would make his position untenable. That was a very commendable and truthful self assessment, something I expect to see from you and Dr Saine as a symbol of demonstrating your [apparent] genuine commitment to a genuine unity. Anywhere in the world when duty calls on people of a nation to unite, it is always people of good character and impeccable integrity who lead the call, those who can earn the trust of everybody or at least an excellent majority, not those with dodgy characters and questionable integrity regardless of how they think they have reformed themselves.
I am sorry if I offend you but this advice is given in good faith and I hope you and Dr Saine are not insincere enough to ignore it.
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SOH
Gambia
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Posted - 03 Aug 2007 : 12:11:10
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Dalton,
Greetings brother. NADD is indeed a great idea but I ask, what good is any political statement if it is not accompanied by acts and deeds?
The APRC has been able to cling to power for a very few reasons, one of them being of course it has its partisans and I respect that but mainly because the Opposition Coalition was weak, divided and non-synchronous. It was riddled with inner inter fighting and one or two elements wanted to keep power all to themselves. A person like lawyer Bakary Darboe is hardly the person to lead a coalition, what the coalition needs to start with is a charismatic person who has the capacity and capability to lead.
Deep at heart we are all strongly desirous to see that happen because the APRC and now enjoying its 3rd mandate has run short of new ideas. This is a normal phenomenon in all democracies, therefore if we are to count ourselves as being part of the democratic process then we ought to read that clear label that says about the APRC, "Expired Validity".
In the UK Tony Blair long since got the message and left in due time for the good of country and party, here however the story is different therefore the only way out of this dead-end is for us to come up with a vibrant opposition perfectly capable to unseat the APRC come next elections. It is necessary to note that good finance is crucial.
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 03 Aug 2007 : 14:57:03
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Thanks Nyaringkanbana. Am really touched by your comments in the SPIRIT OF TRUTH AND RECONCILIATION. Your reflections are genuine and ANY PIECE OF ADVICE HELPS US TO PROGRESS FORWARD THE GAMBIA OUR HOMELAND AS PROGRESSIVE GAMBIAN PATRIOTS. Comrades and compatriots, lets move on (" UNITED WE STAND DIVIED WE FALL!"); bury the hatchet, leave sleeping dogs lie and not open old wounds. We are the loosers and courtesy of dbaldeh (GHANDI)"Be the change you want to be!". As elites etc there are a well of human resources and with SACRIFICE and COLLOECTIVE EFFORTS we shall overcome and WIN! WINNING MEANS INVESTING TO FORWARD THE GAMBIA OUR HOMELAND!
Would like to refer you to CERTAIN COMMENTS ON UNITYquotes to inspire us under: http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4078&whichpage=8
WE NEED A UNITED GAMBIA BEFORE WE TALK ABOUT AFRICAN UNITY AND UNITED NATIONS!  . However is it going to be SOCEITY, ASSOCIATION, POLITICAL ORGANISATION, GAMBIAN COMMUNITY ORGANISATION, NATIONAL ORGAISATION WITH CHAPTERS WITHIN THE DIASPORA or WHAT WOULD THIS UNIQUE BODY BE? Can someone propose A SIMPLE STRAIGHTFORWARD FORMAT (for e.g SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THE BANJUL DECLARATION ON WILDLIFE!) before declarations are made in these VENUE:
Six major states have been identified in the US, namely;
Minnesota (Minneapolis),
New York (New York),
DC (Washington),
Washington (Seattle),
Georgia (Atlanta), and
Illinois (Chicago).
There are many issues hindering progress and unity of Gambians, especially POLITICS amongst others
I would advise a draft declaration be initiated as soon as possible and circularised for comments. Those forums can chart out the FINAL DECLARATIONS and NATIONAL ASSENT SOUGHT FROM H.E AND GOVERNMENT OF THE DAY, in my opinion. I would also advice to get in contact with the Registra Office in Banjul about ORGANISATIONS AND LEGAL REQUIREMENTS FOR REGISTRATION. Those volunteers, trustees and participants IN THE FIRST MEETING should only be mandated to forward proposals ON NATIONAL UNITY for subsequent REVIEW AND FINALISATION AT A LATER DATE.
For The Gambia Our Homeland!
We Strive and Work and Pray That ALL May Live In UNITY! FEEDOM and PEACE EACH DAY
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Dalton1
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Posted - 04 Aug 2007 : 05:32:39
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Bro. Haile's son, welcome back. I will find time to read yours, and will reply as time permits.
Kobo, i appreciate your 'storm'.
Daffeh, you are certain not to get away with your pins. You and me, will honestly battle the matter you raised. For now,I am on my unity call. As at now, I see no color-totally blind. For I believe it is the Gambian people who can do it; not an individual.
I was not being sarcastic at you, like the Americans will say, "not what you said, the way you said it."
While putting our battle on suspend, I anticipate your ideas, which counts not for me, but for all.
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"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04 Aug 2007 : 14:41:19
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Originally posted by SOH
Dalton,
Greetings brother. NADD is indeed a great idea but I ask, what good is any political statement if it is not accompanied by acts and deeds?
The APRC has been able to cling to power for a very few reasons, one of them being of course it has its partisans and I respect that but mainly because the Opposition Coalition was weak, divided and non-synchronous. It was riddled with inner inter fighting and one or two elements wanted to keep power all to themselves. A person like lawyer Bakary Darboe is hardly the person to lead a coalition, what the coalition needs to start with is a charismatic person who has the capacity and capability to lead.
Deep at heart we are all strongly desirous to see that happen because the APRC and now enjoying its 3rd mandate has run short of new ideas. This is a normal phenomenon in all democracies, therefore if we are to count ourselves as being part of the democratic process then we ought to read that clear label that says about the APRC, "Expired Validity".
In the UK Tony Blair long since got the message and left in due time for the good of country and party, here however the story is different therefore the only way out of this dead-end is for us to come up with a vibrant opposition perfectly capable to unseat the APRC come next elections. It is necessary to note that good finance is crucial.
Peace.
For Dalton and other promoters of the UGAM. Having thoroughly considered the spirit of UNITY and OBJECTIVES IN DRAFT, I obsrved that there are conflicts of interests within the realms of POLITICS AND STRATEGIES to mobilise Gambians to operate and promoting A UNITED GAMBIA. I think UGAM can estabilshed itself as AN ASSOCIATION FOR FOSTERING UNITY OF GAMBIANS with other affiliates around the diaspora and at the motherland, if they exclude political strategies and politics. However to make them effective they can seek mandate to organising activities CONFERENCES, SYMPOSIA, WORKSHOP, MEETINGS AND OTHER FORUMS to represent gambian nationals interests. The body should be non-political organisation (but discussing GAMBIAN POLITICS AND OTHER RELEVANT THEMES OF GOOD GOVERNANCE, FOR PEACE, PROGRESS, WELFARE AND STABILITY ARE RELEVANT TOPICS, ISSUES THAT CAN BE DISCUSED AT FORUMS HIGHLIGHTED AND RESOLUTIONS MADE FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO CONSIDER IN IMPLEMENTATION WHERE DEEMED FIT AND NECESSARY); A body of Gambian nationals & Community organisation for WELFARE, COMMUNITY RELATIONS, DEVELOPMENT, SPORTS, CULTURE AND SOCIAL ACTIVITIES. These activities facilitate divorcing direct politics from UGAM; to help with Patrick's concerned.
On the POLITICS AND GAMBIAN DEMOCRACY, I believe that NADD UNDER SAVE THE GAMBIA PROJECT can do the job better. The opposition parties can work out the best strategic or tactical alliance for the development of democracy and became vibrant with GAMBIAN POLITICS. I proposed A UNITED NATIONAL FRONT and hopefully would have the opportunity that it reached those parties concern.
More later!
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04 Aug 2007 : 15:41:39
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Originally posted by Dalton1
Bro. Haile's son, welcome back. I will find time to read yours, and will reply as time permits.
Kobo, i appreciate your 'storm'.
Daffeh, you are certain not to get away with your pins. You and me, will honestly battle the matter you raised. For now,I am on my unity call. As at now, I see no color-totally blind. For I believe it is the Gambian people who can do it; not an individual.
I was not being sarcastic at you, like the Americans will say, "not what you said, the way you said it."
While putting our battle on suspend, I anticipate your ideas, which counts not for me, but for all.
Cheer the humble, they shall be the pillars of heaven.
Yero, if you think you have a battle with me then I am sorry you have no battle to fight as there is no opponent on the other end.
All I said was an advice given in good faith owing to my genuine apprehension of how adverse you and Dr Saine's lead-role participation can affect the whole project. I am not saying you should not participate. I am saying, for God sake, don't aspire for leadership roles because your past records would make your positions grossly untenable.
If you sincerely believe individual contributions are not for you but for all, then you should be morally bold to accept the urgent need to place this noble project in the hands of a trustworthy leadership whose integrity is not stained by individual past records and, particularly, a leadership that does not include a control freak professor of Dr Saine's kind or a covert political disciple like yourself. This is just an advice given in good faith. I hope your theological evangelism would also allow you to accept constructive criticisms and dissent.
I rest it all in peace.
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Dalton1
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Posted - 04 Aug 2007 : 21:53:18
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Originally posted by Nyarikangbanna
All I said was an advice given in good faith owing to my genuine apprehension of how adverse you and Dr Saine's lead-role participation can affect the whole project. I am not saying you should not participate. I am saying, for God sake, don't aspire for leadership roles because your past records would make your positions grossly untenable.
If you sincerely believe individual contributions are not for you but for all, then you should be morally bold to accept the urgent need to place this noble project in the hands of a trustworthy leadership whose integrity is not stained by individual past records and, particularly, a leadership that does not include a control freak professor of Dr Saine's kind or a covert political disciple like yourself. This is just an advice given in good faith. I hope your theological evangelism would also allow you to accept constructive criticisms and dissent.
I rest it all in peace.
Daffeh,
Don't rest it yet. Like I said, I haven't called you on your records. I hope you start reviewing your previous self, before I get to it.
As a Gainako, personally, I don't aspire for leadership. We like to stay behind, and the cows will lead. In that way, we see every direction they take. We follow behind, humbly.
But honestly speaking, I shall never speak for Dr. Saine. May be you know something I am not aware of. In part four of the UGAMA writeup, which I will direct you to at this point, I clearly stated I shall not be part of that committee. If you missed that, go ahead and start your assignment from there. That's my solid decision.
But like I said, I don't have time to be distracted now. I will pull your records, and you will pull mine. Your previous aggression on the 'ayotola' and others, which you didn't have a base for, must as well be explained. We will place it before the people, and let's see who was who. I am not here to brag of any anything. Unlike others, I don't see your tribal aggression, I just see some one not thinking outside the box. You are so narrow-minded. Until we 'tolerate' and 'equate' others, we fool our intellectual wellbeings.
Here you are today, talking as if the days when your aggression was even transmitted through third-party. I have a pile of your records. You are equally challenged to pull out any utterance of mine you captured, that's what i will do to you.
Equally sorry, if I am about expose your sentimental life.......
Wa salam.
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"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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Dalton1
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Posted - 04 Aug 2007 : 22:34:01
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Originally posted by kobo
On the POLITICS AND GAMBIAN DEMOCRACY, I believe that NADD UNDER SAVE THE GAMBIA PROJECT can do the job better. The opposition parties can work out the best strategic or tactical alliance for the development of democracy and became vibrant with GAMBIAN POLITICS. I proposed A UNITED NATIONAL FRONT and hopefully would have the opportunity that it reached those parties concern.
More later!
Kobo,
I wish it was that easy. I fully comprehend your take on this issue. If it is feasible, lets do just that, as long as it can be the plat form that will 'unite' all of us under that same boat.
I am ready to see it flourish! Ablaze that then!!
Dalton.
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"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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Dalton1
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Posted - 04 Aug 2007 : 23:01:04
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Originally posted by SOH
Dalton,
Greetings brother. NADD is indeed a great idea but I ask, what good is any political statement if it is not accompanied by acts and deeds?
Peace.
RESPONSE TO BRO.SOH.
Bro. SOH,
Thanks for your rejoinder. I just needed time to breathe for a bit, but here I am to cheer your write-up, just like before when I nourished my soul on your lengthy pieces. Thank you for all the unforgettable lessons you offered, and I honestly long for many more, as time permits you.
I share the validity of your sentiments. Some writings of yours in the past that I just reviewed and still looking fresh, about the opposition not being able to make it to the end, truly vindicated you.
I hope Gambians will endorse this unity conference, and to be able to move things from there.
“NADD is indeed a great idea but I ask, what good is any political statement if it is not accompanied by acts and deeds?” SOH
Where people are still stocked on sentimental and selfish gains, I openly vow not to associate with any of such ilks, be it the devil or the saint. As you put it in wisdom, it cannot be of any good. Action must follow ideas. But we unanimously must be ready to shoulder it.
I long since expressed my frustration about a brand new opposition, those that will strategize and unite for the common good; not power hungry staunches. We need vibrancy!!
But in any ways, I am beginning to heat up for no good reason, over an opinion I am entitled to.
Peace to you, SOH!
Dalton
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Dalton1
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Posted - 11 Aug 2007 : 06:39:34
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You honestly have to agree with this one. The point hit that nail right on the head. Below, courtesy of the point newspaper; the Bite.
www.thepoint.gm
The Nation First
Monday 6th August 2007
The opposition politicians have started their fruitless bickering again. They have to learn that in politics, the opposition anywhere in the world usually find it difficult to dislodge the ruling party. They don’t have to give up; instead they should keep striving until when they are able to get what they want.
If the present leadership cadre of the opposition no longer feels up to the task, they should give way to a younger and more dynamic generation of politicians who are ready to move the country forward. These politicians have to subsume their selfish to that of the opposition coalition. There is no way a fragmented opposition alliance can defeat the ruling party at the polls – it is far too consolidated for such a puny challenge.
By coming together as one, the opposition have a chance of winning the 2011 presidential polls, provided they don’t allow personal considerations to derail them from their common goal. As it is, the problem with the opposition is not the lack of means but self-centredness, the selfish desire to have all opportunities to oneself and one’s own political party.
All the opposition leaders cannot have a go at the presidency at the same time. They have to take their time. They have to decide among themselves who should be the standard-bearer of the opposition and then give the chosen candidate all the support he or she deserves.
When they fall out among themselves over positions, they leave the impression that they don’t have the interest of the nation at heart – and will therefore alienate the masses for whom they always profess concern.
Political observers have been waiting to see whether the opposition has learnt anything from the Nadd debacle. Apparently, they haven’t. They are still groping in the dark, doing their best to pull in different directions. They will never ever achieve electoral success that way.
This is the time for fence mending, taking stock of what had gone before, learning from them and then reaching out in compromise to colleagues for the cause they all share – making the Gambia a better nation.
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SOH
Gambia
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Posted - 11 Aug 2007 : 20:32:23
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Dalton, my KOTO,
Thank you for your kindness and your encouragements, you indeed have all the qualities of a true and decent leader, may Allah protect good folks like you brother.
Koto Dalton the road is still long for changes in Gambia, but I am now beginning to feel momentum picking up for changes, I don't know bro,... but I sense it in the air that the little snow ball is beginning to pick up in size and volume, like the GNU in the savanna, I am now hearing the distant rumble and thunder of approaching rains and I know that the dry season is about to be over and that the wait will not be that too long after all, the migration is beginning to build up.
As I said in my reply to bro Karamba about the article I wrote today about a certain Lebanese tycoon, we need to start communicating on a professional basis to attract attention and funds from friendly nations to forming a solid and credible opposition in the Gambia. The better financed and organized we are, the more chances we have to unseat Jammeh. Jammeh is now an expired political product and like all third term leaderships there is little new he can bring except for selling off the nation's interests and form a crippling and damaging monopoly in the nation's financial system.
as the good old saying goes, "mother there ain't no shortage of brains or sincerity in your house, we just need organizin'".
With this I bid you for now a blissful and peaceful weekend to you my Koto and to all the brothers and sisters in this forum.
Peace.
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Originally posted by Dalton1
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Originally posted by SOH
Dalton,
Greetings brother. NADD is indeed a great idea but I ask, what good is any political statement if it is not accompanied by acts and deeds?
Peace.
RESPONSE TO BRO.SOH.
Bro. SOH,
Thanks for your rejoinder. I just needed time to breathe for a bit, but here I am to cheer your write-up, just like before when I nourished my soul on your lengthy pieces. Thank you for all the unforgettable lessons you offered, and I honestly long for many more, as time permits you.
I share the validity of your sentiments. Some writings of yours in the past that I just reviewed and still looking fresh, about the opposition not being able to make it to the end, truly vindicated you.
I hope Gambians will endorse this unity conference, and to be able to move things from there.
“NADD is indeed a great idea but I ask, what good is any political statement if it is not accompanied by acts and deeds?” SOH
Where people are still stocked on sentimental and selfish gains, I openly vow not to associate with any of such ilks, be it the devil or the saint. As you put it in wisdom, it cannot be of any good. Action must follow ideas. But we unanimously must be ready to shoulder it.
I long since expressed my frustration about a brand new opposition, those that will strategize and unite for the common good; not power hungry staunches. We need vibrancy!!
But in any ways, I am beginning to heat up for no good reason, over an opinion I am entitled to.
Peace to you, SOH!
Dalton
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Dalton1
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Posted - 12 Aug 2007 : 18:33:00
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Bro. Haile,
The title Koto doesn't fit me, between the two of us. Instead, I thought you are the Koto, and I am ndoko.
I thought we haven't come to that yet.Touching! Truly touching! Ablaze! Ablaze! Ablaze! I jubilated your echoes because you don't talk out of the blue. Amen! Amen! Amen!
Peace to you, SOH.
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Dalton1
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Posted - 13 Aug 2007 : 18:05:59
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With Mr. Burama FL Jammeh; route to success. After sleepless nights, he presented to his country men the following:
http://www.gainako.com/default.htm
Please send comments to Burama Jammeh/ugambia@gmail.com
Cc.
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