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Karamba



United Kingdom
3820 Posts

Posted - 29 Jun 2007 :  00:07:59  Show Profile Send Karamba a Private Message
Described by "TIME" as one of the 100 most influential persons in the world, Senegalese Music Star Youssou Ndour now eyes the highest job in Africa to be.


http://article.wn.com/view/2007/06/28/Singer_NDour_pitches_for_top_African_govt_job_n/

Karamba

kondorong



Gambia
4380 Posts

Posted - 29 Jun 2007 :  00:26:05  Show Profile Send kondorong a Private Message
With all sincerrity, An African Union is a wild dream. It will never be. Not in the next 500 years.

Some people might think i am pessimistic, but i have worked in public service long enough that its just a joke. Basically our administrative structures are so diverse, we being too stiff to change, no one will be prepared to givein.

Its fitting that the meeting is taking place in Ghana where years ago, it was illegal for a policeman to ask an african his identity card in the street. Ghana was home from home for pan africanist Nkrummah. Ghanaians gave reasons for the coup as Nkrummah forgetting his country men and concentrating on other africans.

The opportunity has since evaporated for an african union. These meetings are means for holidays and some fish money for the bureaucrats.
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turk



USA
3356 Posts

Posted - 30 Jun 2007 :  01:44:43  Show Profile  Visit turk's Homepage Send turk a Private Message
I am not sure if a popular singer to lead a politic good idea, Anyway,

kondorong

For african union come to reality in 500 years too long, but a plan for 50 years would be a realistic plan. The problem is with the method. Instead to creating african union, first, there should be regional integration.

Forget about African Union for a while. Why not Senegal, Gambia, Mali, Mauritinia,Guinea Bissau, Guinnea, Burkina Faso integrate. These countries have similar languages, religion, ethnicity, culture. It took more than 60 years to europe became EU still some waiting such as Albania, Bosnia, Serbia etc. First Benelux (Belgium, Netherland, Luxembourg, Germany and some other, later England, Ireland, than Spain, Portugal, Greece, finally, eastern european countries and big on Turkey is waiting.

So gradual integration may be easier and more realistic. Why not create, say, West African Union. There may be few countries but it is easier to integrate gambia to mali than integrating gambia to madagascar. It is easier to integrate muslim senegal to muslim mauritinia that has border than integrating senegal to christian zambia.

Integration could have different speed in different areas. In short, mid and long term plan. For example, they can integrate Cultural, Economic, Foreign Policy, Trade etc. next 20 years. Then establish a loose confederation like common parliementer group that integrate legislation. A adminstrative council to handle economic, trade and political, security integration next 30 years. Than finally becaming federal state that is transformed from a loose conferderation. More than 60 million population that can be a step to make unrealistic African Union became reality.

Senegal 13M
Gambia 1.7M
Mali 13M
Mauritinia 3M
Guinea Bissau 1.6
Guinnea 9.3M
Burkina Faso 14






diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.

Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices.

Edited by - turk on 30 Jun 2007 01:48:16
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kondorong



Gambia
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Posted - 30 Jun 2007 :  02:05:04  Show Profile Send kondorong a Private Message
Its easier said than done. Even Gambia and Senegal cannot come to terms. Borders are closed all the time these days even though we speak the same local languages and the same tribes in each country. If that is not possible how abot merging with Nigeria with 100 languages or Kenya with 42 languages. Gambia and Senegal have about 7 languages.
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turk



USA
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Posted - 30 Jun 2007 :  02:27:57  Show Profile  Visit turk's Homepage Send turk a Private Message
I never said easy. Anyway, at least you agree with me African Union is much more difficult than my proposal regional integration being easier and more realistic.


diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.

Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices.
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Karamba



United Kingdom
3820 Posts

Posted - 30 Jun 2007 :  18:12:28  Show Profile Send Karamba a Private Message

There is great sense in taking the gradual process through stages as broken down by Turk. Nothing impossible. Not having to start it at all is where everything goes wrong. There are genuine Africans who know it is possible to start something by one generation and subsequently handed down to succeeding generations for perfection. Where people think they have to be starters and finishers, there is always problem. Each generation could handle just so much at a given time. Future users of this very forum (BANTABA) may find better ways than we today.

Karamba
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turk



USA
3356 Posts

Posted - 01 Jul 2007 :  02:03:07  Show Profile  Visit turk's Homepage Send turk a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Karamba
Where people think they have to be starters and finishers, there is always problem. Each generation could handle just so much at a given time.



Could not be said any better.

diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.

Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices.
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Karamba



United Kingdom
3820 Posts

Posted - 03 Jul 2007 :  19:55:32  Show Profile Send Karamba a Private Message

The Scramble for Power over Africa is not in a Berlin Conference. This time it is the Accra Conference where greedy African leaders have made it known, their unwillingness to let the wheel of history roll over. Youssou Ndoure may consider composing a son called African Disunity.

Karamba
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Sister Omega



United Kingdom
2085 Posts

Posted - 03 Jul 2007 :  22:31:50  Show Profile  Visit Sister Omega's Homepage Send Sister Omega a Private Message
Go Youssou! Go Youssou! They said Africans would always be enslaved! They said Africa would always belong to Imperialist powers! They said South Africa would never be free! They lied so what makes them so sure that Africa will never be united? We need visionaries. We need people who can make dreams reality! We need an African Union which unifies the entire continent voted by the people for the people and from the people. Only then can we Africans will have a Supranational body, who can represent us and make Presidents' accountable for their Nation States under the auspices of the African Union. This is the progressive leap that the African Union needs the courage to take to uplift our beloved continent Mother Africa!

Peace

Sister Omega

Peace
Sister Omega

Edited by - Sister Omega on 03 Jul 2007 22:33:10
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turk



USA
3356 Posts

Posted - 03 Jul 2007 :  23:46:17  Show Profile  Visit turk's Homepage Send turk a Private Message
Omega

Youssou's songs or your slogans here would be great motivation for africans to make African Union a reality. However, without an executable economical, political, social and cultural plan, it will never be reality.

As Karamba agrees with gradual approach in terms of micro-africo union based regional integration, than ultimate integration, a gradual approach HOW integration will be is very important too. EU started as steel union than expand economical union, then add political, legislative, judicial union. Now they want to have their military union instead of NATO. Africa may as well follow similar approach which is both horizontal and vertical integration.

diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.

Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices.

Edited by - turk on 04 Jul 2007 09:10:20
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