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Babylon
Sweden
691 Posts |
 Posted - 24 Feb 2006 : 15:27:15
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I still canīt relate to the way u describe European women, in my family most women act like (african women?) -shout at our men and tell em what to do every now and then.
No man can ever try and push us down, and we are all European, white women...so thatīs why I have no clue what cha talking bout.
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Babylon
Sweden
691 Posts |
Posted - 24 Feb 2006 : 15:50:22
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I do agree that african women are strong. But so are we, maybe in different ways but still. What I donīt understand is why u are trying to diss all European women with your generalizations?
As a woman with some education, I know better than to sit here and talk about how people of different races are.
You might as well say that "Blonds are bimbos" "Black guys have larger...u know what" etc. all of that nonsense.
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 24 Feb 2006 : 16:34:59
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You are out for quarrel, for what reason ever, Babylon. Keep cool. I am not out to threaten anyone's Alpha-position in this forum.
Ok, you are a feminist, and you want to enlighten our poor, helpless sisters in Africa, who would stay in darkness without our generous aid. Go on, welcome! YOU GOT IT!! EUROPEAN AND US FEMINISM IS THE ANSWER TO ALL QUESTIONS WOMEN COULD EVER HAVE!! WE HAVE A PERFECT PRODUCT TO SELL!! |
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Babylon
Sweden
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Posted - 24 Feb 2006 : 17:24:57
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I ainīt here to start any quarrels.
Just asking why you diss us white women, since you r white yourself I suppose? That in itself is asking for some quarrel.
Sure, we are not perfect (Who is, besides maybe God?) but that doesnīt mean we have to criticize ourselves all the time like weīre nothing.
I never said that western feminism is a good idea for Africa. Just said that it is good that it exists here and that I think it is for the benefit of women. I never mentioned what solution would be best for Africa, beacuse that is not up to me to decide so I might as well keep my mouth shut about it. I do not want to interfear in African politics either, because that ainīt none of my business.
Itīs ok if you donīt agree with that, ainīt nothing to get exited about.
I just think we donīt need to generalize people as a group -atleast I donīt feel the need to do that.
Just because Iīm of a different opinion, donīt mean Iīm quarreling witcha. |
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Formby
United Kingdom
246 Posts |
Posted - 24 Feb 2006 : 18:00:33
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| You would never hear the meek-voiced woman in my home town of Liverpool. Ha ha ha! The very thought! |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 24 Feb 2006 : 19:00:06
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Working class white families have always been run by the matriach.... both my grandmas were very strong women. Both HAD to work AND raise a family through the second world war.
When I visit compounds and see the family structure it reminds me of my own family background SO much...not my generation but the past generations.
Those of you in UK that watch Coronation street or Eastenders will be well aware of the strong women characters........ that is a reflection of reality in the working class communities in UK.
African and White women can BOTH be strong, it doesnt have to be at the expense of one another and likewise women and men can BOTH be strong and assertive...it is more equal that way........ I dont want strength at the expense of men...... noone wants a poodle for a man!
The only place I have seen that is USA where (in general) middle class men seem VERY scared of their wives and bend over backwards to keep them happy! Perhaps thats down to the dollar? The high cost of divorce!!!! |
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bamba
Sweden
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Posted - 24 Feb 2006 : 19:50:33
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| To both Serenata and Babylon, please continue to agree to disagree. Its a teaching lesson for black Africans. In black Africa when common people disagree, disagreement gets to storage waiting for vengeance. When common man/woman disagrees with authority the consequence becomes elimination. Theres a lot Africans have to learn from the interaction of whites. More educative polemics, the floor is yours. |
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Babylon
Sweden
691 Posts |
Posted - 24 Feb 2006 : 20:17:17
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Yes, thatīs right! I agree with you, Gambiabev. 
Most women in my family have been strong, working women too.
My mother, working class, grew up in Finland during the war against Russia and is a very tough woman who have had many struggles in her life.
The women on my fathers side are middle class but they are all a bunch of strong little ladies too, but in a different way.
We are the stronger gender.
I find it difficult to understand why women should bow down for men, because that is how I was raised. Maybe that makes me a feminist?
I am not out on the streets protesting against men (and I never will) or a manhater (men are fantastic!), I just naturally think that itīs wrong to oppress women.
If it wasnīt for the feminists, we wouldnīt have the right to even vote today. There is much to be grateful them for.
Yet I do not have the solution for Africaīs women. I think they know what is best for them and what works best for them in their society.
And I definitely donīt need a poodle in my life, a poodle canīt handle a lioness! 
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
1350 Posts |
Posted - 25 Feb 2006 : 02:04:19
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look don't make me talk ok
Hi my brother(MBADIN-BAMDIRABE-MBOKA-ect.,)
I agree with you 100% Bamba... and your likes but allow me to enlighten these people a bit so that they know...
African women are the most hard working women the world wide.I have my reasons,
Look stop taking about feminism, we in the Africa have been practicing Feminism since b4 European civilization.You see once you come to us,you try to change all our ways of lives to yours.Ofcause if we abandon ours to go to yours,then you will be ahead of us which is what seems to be happening.
But how ever you may be describing feminism,you cupied it from us and now as you have used it to suit your boss-ladies,you now want your former teachers turned servants to follow suit.NEVER... Africa should continue its own kind of feminism...
In the long days of our Ancestors,Our women are the best consulted on family matters and village decisions...like men are then never allowed when a woman is giving birth...this they do despite being their wives to preserve the respect men should have for woman's privacy..During womanhood,only elderly women sit with the newly wedded wife to teach her about how to control the house hold and teach her future hildreen morals to become good citizens of society.
No don,t let me talk it is now with gread and poverty things are changing 4 us.
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twinkly
United Kingdom
190 Posts |
Posted - 25 Feb 2006 : 12:44:35
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Babylon and Bambiabev,
The difference between african and european women is not the level of strenght and toughness.Our generation is losing respect and attitude.
I believe our(the white woman) problem is our attitude.We snap very quickly, are very moody.Having a big mouth has nothing to do with being a strong woman.To me this is a big issue of cultural(not just african)difference.We,in general as a people,are getting ruder and disrespectful towards each other all the time.This type of feminism should not be brought to Africa.Equality needs to exist and should be encouraged. But women shouldn't think they can do whatever they please.
Don't you think a man would really appreciate a woman who knows how to behave,can be independent but is not pushing the man away by always having to be in control and on top?
Babylon
to me it has nothing to do with bowing down,but rather with respect.To do something for your partner is bowing down?No wonder we can't keep up longterm relationships anymore with such attitudes.We are not prepared to give anymore.
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bamba
Sweden
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Posted - 25 Feb 2006 : 12:58:42
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| Twinkly, say it loud one more time. Your reference to attitude is superb. Attitudes can trigger up wars, not only in relationships but in most aspects of life. I like the way you see things. |
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Babylon
Sweden
691 Posts |
Posted - 25 Feb 2006 : 13:36:39
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Well, I wasnīt exactly talking about relationships here, but about the situation for women in our society.
At work for example.
By bowing down to a man when they treat a woman with disrespect, is allowing him to continue being disrespectful. We need to be treated the same way at our workplace, we need the same salary. Women donīt want to get the blame for being raped, in the court they should focus more on the man who raped instead of on the victim -as is not often the case here in Sweden.
All I said is that certainly not all European women are the sissy type of women as Serenata described before. But that there are many strong women among us, and I also said that we can be strong in different ways -not just by being loud mouths! Didnīt I say that already?
As for relationships and how to make them last, you can not say which way is the best way that works for everybody. Because we all, both men and women, have different values and interests. If you respect your man but he donīt respect you back and you let him continue treating you like crap, that is also to bow down for a man.
By the way: In my opinion, mutual respect and trust are the most important ingredients for a long lasting relationship. Without that the relationship is doomed without a doubt.
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 25 Feb 2006 : 13:36:45
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I am a feminist....BUT I am not loud mouthed or aggressive.I'm not a lesbian either (just forthe record!) I just think women should have a equal slice of the pie!
Did you know that women earn 10% of the world's income and own 1% of the world's property? |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 25 Feb 2006 : 13:39:07
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| Mutual respect and trust...sounds simple....but is difficult. |
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Babylon
Sweden
691 Posts |
Posted - 25 Feb 2006 : 13:49:40
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How is that difficult? (mutual respect and trust)
I have no problems with that in my relationship.  |
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