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salimina
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 Posted - 27 Apr 2007 : 23:27:13
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Mansasulu,
No one one crying foul because the president is a jola.I have a strong relationship with Jolas from both angles but that will not stop me from admitting the facts.What the president is doing right now is just alienating the Jolas from mainstreams.If such a trend( appointing jolas in every sensitive position) continues,the jolas will be victims and alienated when the change of government arrives.
These are facts which ever angle you looked at. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28 Apr 2007 : 17:25:34
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Originally posted by Alhassan
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Originally posted by mansasulu
I think some of us have a very short memory span. Not so long ago, the most subjugated and looked down enthic group in the Gambia were the Jolas. The word "Jola" was synonymous with maids. Now the shoe is on the other foot some of us are crying foul. What happened to "do on to others as you would like others to do on to you"...or yet still "what goes around comes around."
We all agree that the man is tyrant, but he has a mandate and not Jolas voted for him. I think we are better served at turning our energies to something else that continuing to beat a dead horse.
mansasulu,
I share your opinion. I think it is better to look into how we can bring remedies to these problems. The Jolas and Serer have been serving as servants in the Gambia for a long time now. I think it is time we stop the exploitation of these people. They need proper salaries and good working conditions. When I grew up many Jola Girls went pregnant by their manters, masters children or somebody else without taking care of these children. Most of them are now in their 50s. There are even older ones but they all keep quite about it. Now is the time to adjust things to the proper maner.
QUOTES FROM MANSASULA:
"We all agree that the man is tyrant, but he has a mandate and not Jolas voted for him. I think we are better served at turning our energies to something else that continuing to beat a dead horse."
We will test the genral consensus under opinion polls whether Jammeh is a TYRANT later!
The second point would be shifted under the topc "LETS SERIOUSLY DISCUSS GAMBIAN POLITICS AND DEMOCRACY!. I appreciate your comments. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28 Apr 2007 : 17:25:34
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Originally posted by Alhassan
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Originally posted by mansasulu
I think some of us have a very short memory span. Not so long ago, the most subjugated and looked down enthic group in the Gambia were the Jolas. The word "Jola" was synonymous with maids. Now the shoe is on the other foot some of us are crying foul. What happened to "do on to others as you would like others to do on to you"...or yet still "what goes around comes around."
We all agree that the man is tyrant, but he has a mandate and not Jolas voted for him. I think we are better served at turning our energies to something else that continuing to beat a dead horse.
mansasulu,
I share your opinion. I think it is better to look into how we can bring remedies to these problems. The Jolas and Serer have been serving as servants in the Gambia for a long time now. I think it is time we stop the exploitation of these people. They need proper salaries and good working conditions. When I grew up many Jola Girls went pregnant by their manters, masters children or somebody else without taking care of these children. Most of them are now in their 50s. There are even older ones but they all keep quite about it. Now is the time to adjust things to the proper maner.
QUOTES FROM MANSASULA:
"We all agree that the man is tyrant, but he has a mandate and not Jolas voted for him. I think we are better served at turning our energies to something else that continuing to beat a dead horse."
We will test the genral consensus under opinion polls whether Jammeh is a TYRANT later!
The second point would be shifted under the topc "LETS SERIOUSLY DISCUSS GAMBIAN POLITICS AND DEMOCRACY!. I appreciate your comments. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 28 Apr 2007 : 22:15:03
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I understand that the UK may not be the UK after all,there are several tribes there,the English,The Welsh,The Scottish,the Scots tribe are in power at the moment their leader is a Tony Blair and all the big politicans and Big Bosses come from the Scottish Tribe,Racism Tribalism,and Nepotism are things that other countries suffer from not only our Gambia.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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toubab1020
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Posted - 28 Apr 2007 : 22:15:03
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I understand that the UK may not be the UK after all,there are several tribes there,the English,The Welsh,The Scottish,the Scots tribe are in power at the moment their leader is a Tony Blair and all the big politicans and Big Bosses come from the Scottish Tribe,Racism Tribalism,and Nepotism are things that other countries suffer from not only our Gambia.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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mansasulu
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Posted - 30 Apr 2007 : 15:16:03
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Salimina, Karamba is crying foul. I wonder if he had the same observation when Jawara was doing the same and created a system that kept the Jolas down. My point is that Jammeh is following a precedent. And a point of correction, no where did I insinuated that Jammeh being a Jola is the issue. What I am trying to say is that we have being living in a culture and politics of tribalism for decades for decades and no one seemed to see it, or to put it more bluntly we turned a blind eye.
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"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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mansasulu
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Posted - 30 Apr 2007 : 15:16:03
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Salimina, Karamba is crying foul. I wonder if he had the same observation when Jawara was doing the same and created a system that kept the Jolas down. My point is that Jammeh is following a precedent. And a point of correction, no where did I insinuated that Jammeh being a Jola is the issue. What I am trying to say is that we have being living in a culture and politics of tribalism for decades for decades and no one seemed to see it, or to put it more bluntly we turned a blind eye.
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"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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salimina
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Posted - 30 Apr 2007 : 15:48:45
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Mansa,
jammehs precedence is out of order.Atleast in jawaras Gambia is difficult to predict but in jammehs is deliberate |
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salimina
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Posted - 30 Apr 2007 : 15:48:45
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Mansa,
jammehs precedence is out of order.Atleast in jawaras Gambia is difficult to predict but in jammehs is deliberate |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30 Apr 2007 : 23:27:31
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Mansa,
There is no cry of foul. We are not comparing Jammeh to Jawara. What Gambia is facing today under Jammeh is the issue at hand. There is nothing to suggest that Jawara's rule is better. The bottom line is that Jammeh is going woefully wrong. Whether Jawara was perfect or brutal is not relevant. It is this minute. Some of the people who suffered/enjoyed under Jawara are no longer around. The suffering Jammeh is imposing on Gambians today is a thing of now and children of today will live to become tomorrow sufferes. Let us not twist the facts. Jawara being good or bad is the the issue. Gambia today needs a better person than what Jammeh sums up into. If you are thinking along the lines that Jawara played down on Jolas therefore Jammeh is OK with playing on the rest of Gambia, what type of justification can you seriously provide on that? Whatever fate the Jola ethnic group endured during Jawara's time is nothing designed by the Jawara regime. You know more about that than anyone. Jammeh is now playing against everyone who is not Jola. Are you rejoicing over that Mansasulu? Come on, that is no good seed worth cultvating in Gambia. It is simply exposing so much about Jammeh and narrow thinking Jolas. Progressive Jolas are thinking along the advanced highway. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 30 Apr 2007 : 23:27:31
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Mansa,
There is no cry of foul. We are not comparing Jammeh to Jawara. What Gambia is facing today under Jammeh is the issue at hand. There is nothing to suggest that Jawara's rule is better. The bottom line is that Jammeh is going woefully wrong. Whether Jawara was perfect or brutal is not relevant. It is this minute. Some of the people who suffered/enjoyed under Jawara are no longer around. The suffering Jammeh is imposing on Gambians today is a thing of now and children of today will live to become tomorrow sufferes. Let us not twist the facts. Jawara being good or bad is the the issue. Gambia today needs a better person than what Jammeh sums up into. If you are thinking along the lines that Jawara played down on Jolas therefore Jammeh is OK with playing on the rest of Gambia, what type of justification can you seriously provide on that? Whatever fate the Jola ethnic group endured during Jawara's time is nothing designed by the Jawara regime. You know more about that than anyone. Jammeh is now playing against everyone who is not Jola. Are you rejoicing over that Mansasulu? Come on, that is no good seed worth cultvating in Gambia. It is simply exposing so much about Jammeh and narrow thinking Jolas. Progressive Jolas are thinking along the advanced highway. |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 01 May 2007 : 14:32:43
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| Karamba, the fact that Jammeh is a tyrant are indisputable facts. We are all in unisome when it comes to his autocratic and repressive ways. May Allah judge between us and him. I have been around enough to know how Gambian politics works, tribalism is the order of the day. Now that does not excuse what Jammeh is doing. What I am merely trying to point out is that we as Gambian should perhaps shoulder part of the blame, because we allowed it to happen in the past and merely talking about it today will not solve it. We need to change, each and everyone of us. I think we are giving Jammeh too much attention than he is deserving. Twice we had the opportunity to vote him out of office and we failed...and we all know the reasons. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 01 May 2007 : 14:32:43
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| Karamba, the fact that Jammeh is a tyrant are indisputable facts. We are all in unisome when it comes to his autocratic and repressive ways. May Allah judge between us and him. I have been around enough to know how Gambian politics works, tribalism is the order of the day. Now that does not excuse what Jammeh is doing. What I am merely trying to point out is that we as Gambian should perhaps shoulder part of the blame, because we allowed it to happen in the past and merely talking about it today will not solve it. We need to change, each and everyone of us. I think we are giving Jammeh too much attention than he is deserving. Twice we had the opportunity to vote him out of office and we failed...and we all know the reasons. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 01 May 2007 : 19:50:08
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Mansasulu,
To accept Jammeh as genuine winner of all the elections he contested in Gambia is big miscalulation. Jammeh robbed and duped Gambians in every election. Firstly, the draft constitution disqualified Jammeh. He forced his way to get elected. From then on he persists on foul play which is keeping him. In the dress up of things, it appears that he is winning. True to the word, he is simply stealing by every method and tactful deceptive manner. As we advance our exchange in this forum and other avenues, Jammeh will eventually diminish out of topic. He is far too less than GAMBIA. We need to detach him from issues and make passing mention of his person where it relates issues. Let's move on. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01 May 2007 : 19:50:08
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Mansasulu,
To accept Jammeh as genuine winner of all the elections he contested in Gambia is big miscalulation. Jammeh robbed and duped Gambians in every election. Firstly, the draft constitution disqualified Jammeh. He forced his way to get elected. From then on he persists on foul play which is keeping him. In the dress up of things, it appears that he is winning. True to the word, he is simply stealing by every method and tactful deceptive manner. As we advance our exchange in this forum and other avenues, Jammeh will eventually diminish out of topic. He is far too less than GAMBIA. We need to detach him from issues and make passing mention of his person where it relates issues. Let's move on. |
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